And he's not getting games at right back over Jones and Smalling either. A position he played well enough for Sir Alex to pick him for a CL final. Do you really think it's a matter of him not being good enough? Moyes clearly doesn't rate him for some unfathomable reason.
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People who argue that Rafael has done more to earn his spot seem to forget that before last season Rafael was regularly rotated with Smalling/Jones at RB. It was only injuries to both of them at the start of last season that allowed Rafael to have an uncontested run of games there and lo and behold he managed to make the spot his own by putting in really consistent performances. It's no coincidence that consistency came when he had a run of games there, a run that would have been very unlikely had Smalling/Jones stayed fit.
Fabio hasn't been afforded the same chance (when he did have a little run at the end of 10/11 he also put in consistently good performances against quality opposition. There's nothing to suggest he wouldn't develop the same way as Rafael if played regularly but he simply isn't getting enough minutes on the pitch and that's the key difference here.
There is no way based on talent, quality and application in the respective positions, that Fabio should be behind Büttner on the left and Jones and Smalling on the right. He would get a lot of games if he was currently used as back up for both fullback spots and resting Evra every now and then.
The left footed thing is baffling because Fabio can cross well with his left and did it several times in preseason. He should be a key figure in the future of our defence and it'll be a shame if we lose him. I said all though the summer that we should use Fabio more rather than getting Baines, and I stand by that.
Fabio hasn't been afforded the same chance (when he did have a little run at the end of 10/11 he also put in consistently good performances against quality opposition. There's nothing to suggest he wouldn't develop the same way as Rafael if played regularly but he simply isn't getting enough minutes on the pitch and that's the key difference here.
There is no way based on talent, quality and application in the respective positions, that Fabio should be behind Büttner on the left and Jones and Smalling on the right. He would get a lot of games if he was currently used as back up for both fullback spots and resting Evra every now and then.
The left footed thing is baffling because Fabio can cross well with his left and did it several times in preseason. He should be a key figure in the future of our defence and it'll be a shame if we lose him. I said all though the summer that we should use Fabio more rather than getting Baines, and I stand by that.
By a mile.
Buttner is an awful defender. Fabio played a CL final and didn't look out of place.
Maybe Fabio's decided he doesn't want to renew his contract and would rather play every week? No point playing him if he's going to be leaving anyway.
For me, there is no way Smalling or Jones should start ahead of Rafael or Fabio at the fulback position, barring the odd rare game you need to make a concession due to a physical side. But I'd be against that most of the time too.
I'd be against that all the time.
I seriously doubt that, I mean he only just came back from loan this season. Unless he got a taste of playing a lot at QPR and realises that united are holding him back.
Is it too much to fecking ask to watch both da silvas as fullbacks in a game?
And how often did Fergie play him after that game? Why did he send him on loan and play Smalling and Jones at full back rather than keep him? Why didn't he set the world alight on loan?
Moyes likes his leftbacks to be left footed Fabio sadly isn´t.. Buttner sadly is!
Fabio suffered injuries the season after he played the CL final which prevented him from cementing his place. And it's difficult to set the world alight when you're playing for a shite team. Giuseppi Rossi would testify to that. So poor arguments all round.
Rossi's problem wasn't playing in a shit team it was not playing at all so poor argument there. It was only injuries that got Fabio his place in the team. Rafael was injured and we didn't have Jones. I think people just have to at least accept the possibility that he isn't as good as they might think.
Is there any point tweeting a journalist that's likely to be at the press conference today to ask about him? Having scored on Wednesday it might be the best time for some hack to consider asking Moyes about him, if they can find time between all the Rooney questions.
he has the chance to prove himself in training every day
how many times has he played for the U21s/reserves and impressed the management
I'm not sure about Fabio.....
The Fabio who was really impressive and has loads of potential and was good enough to champions league final for us is miles better than Buttner - I do think he has regressed since then
I think I'd still put him in the team ahead of Buttner who has some qualities (going forward, great cross the other night, aggressive) but for me is a poor fullback defensively and positionally
maybe Fergie/Moyes saw/see something different?
That's missing the whole point. The reason why people want him to play more is because he's already shown that that given a consistent run in the side he is more than good enough to start for the club. It took injuries to both Smalling and Jones last season for Rafael to cement his position in the side and it's frustrating when Fabio isn't being given the chance to do the same.
And most aren't even calling for him to be a regular, just that he be the 2nd choice for both full back positions. And frankly, given the alternatives that should already be the case.
He was sent on loan to give him some badly needed playing time and Evra plays almost every game, and he wouldn't more then 10 games for us. The only reason Smalling and Jones get games is because they're needed as backup at centre-back especially when Ferdinand and Vidic are out for at least half the season combined. And Fabio played himself into the starting lineup at QPR until Redknapp took over and decided he rather play a player who'll be with QPR this season instead of of Fabio who'll be back with us.
Or maybe Redknapp preferred the other player to him. If he's good enough he'll get the chances.
Well he got injured a fair bit in 2011/12 and we also had Rafael back who'd established himself more in the RB position then the thing re: Evra playing every game. So that's why he got sent on loan. Buttner barely got 10 games last season. Fabio doubled that at QPR despite being injured some and rotating the position. And most games there he did well, not outstanding but he showed more than enough.
The man that matters thinks different at the moment. He'll have his reasons. I'd like to see him get an opportunity too but people seem to think that because Rafael developed into the player he is then Fabio will too. That's not the way it works.
22 appearances for QPR suggests Redknapp rates him high enough to play him. And once they were relegated, do you honestly think he'll get games when they have another left back in Traore who's almost the same age as him and will be playing for them this season?
Sure, but Büttner started a match and played atrociously, then is rewarded with starting the league cup match. Fabio played well, much better than Büttner, in pre-season, yet hasn't been offered an opportunity to start once, even when Büttner has been rubbish. Surely, that cannot make sense to you either?
Make up your mind. Did Fabio get games until Redknapp took over or did he rate him enough to play him?
I'll probably get a bit of stick for this but I really feel he's a bit overrated on here. I don't see him having the potential to be our long term left back. I'd love to be wrong obviously because his attitude and playing style is infectious but I just don't think he'll be good enough long term.
Actually didn't Fabio start one PL game for us this season, same number of league starts are Buttner?
Buttner was fine against Liverpool in the League Cup. He didn't play well against West Brom. I didn't notice a huge difference between them in pre-season. I suspect it is a simple case of Fabio not using his left foot enough for Moyes; in fact the evidence from our attempts to sign leftbacks in the summer suggests Moyes doesn't rate either of them. Personally, the mystery is why Jones was selected ahead of Fabio at rightback.
Jesus, is it so difficult to understand the fact that he got games under Hughes when he was fit and for Redknapp he got games till they were relegated and Redknapp decided to stick with Traore who'll be with them this season instead of Fabio.
no Fabio. he is gone for sure.
Looks like Rafael is injured given that Moyes said out of the three he is the real concern (watched the game back and heard him hollering in pain when he went down too), in which case if he's out for any number of games I hope Fabio is given a few starts at RB (or even LB if Evra is an injury concern). He deserves it because he's done well whenever he's been given a chance this season. The Real Sociedad game would be perfect and I seriously hope we don't see any centre backs playing there because it detracts so much from our fluidity and threat down the right.
Another thing, it's no wonder Evra gets criticised sometimes. Plays 95+% of games every season and is expected to maintain a high standard in every single one. Fabio isn't a liability. He should be used to give Evra a rest every now and again even if it's against lesser opposition to start with before trusting him with bigger games. Not sure how it's gotten to the point where he's behind Büttner and only really gets 5 minute injury time run outs, on the wing, against an under strength Norwich side, in the League Cup. It's disappointing. I really hope he gets given more chances and doesn't leave.
Another thing, it's no wonder Evra gets criticised sometimes. Plays 95+% of games every season and is expected to maintain a high standard in every single one. Fabio isn't a liability. He should be used to give Evra a rest every now and again even if it's against lesser opposition to start with before trusting him with bigger games. Not sure how it's gotten to the point where he's behind Büttner and only really gets 5 minute injury time run outs, on the wing, against an under strength Norwich side, in the League Cup. It's disappointing. I really hope he gets given more chances and doesn't leave.
if rafa is out then fabio should be deputizing his twin bro at RB then.. sadly it still would be smalling.
If Evans is out also then Smalling might be required at centre-back since Jones is looking like being one of our few fit central-midfielders (and he isn't even a centre-mid 
). But Moyes can play Rio and Vidic both in Spain and then against Arsenal I suppose which could free-up Smalling for right-back.
If Evra is out then Buttner will play - Fabio appears to be way, way down the list even with all the current injuries.
). But Moyes can play Rio and Vidic both in Spain and then against Arsenal I suppose which could free-up Smalling for right-back.If Evra is out then Buttner will play - Fabio appears to be way, way down the list even with all the current injuries.
If Evans is out also then Smalling might be required at centre-back since Jones is looking like being one of our few fit central-midfielders (and he isn't even a centre-mid
If Evra is out then Buttner will play - Fabio appears to be way, way down the list even with all the current injuries.
So you are expecting us to play Arsenal with:
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Smalling----Rio-------Vidic----Buttner
----------Jones-----------Fellaini?
God help us.
God, that looks awful. Arsenal will feck us up if we line up like that.
Hopefully he'll get a chance at RB midweek.
Really hope we don't sell him. I'd rather keep him for spare Rafael parts than move him on...
Really hope we don't sell him. I'd rather keep him for spare Rafael parts than move him on...
I don't think we'll play both Rio and Vidic against a quick Sociedad attack. I know they were poor against us at OT, but it should be a different story over in Spain.
Surely he must start midweek... unless Moyes has already made his mind up about him of course.
He's hardly played for months and you think he'll be starting the most crucial game in the CL group?
I'd hardly call this game crucial.
It's not what I want, but IF Evans, Rafael and Evra are potentially out, and IF Carrick and Cleverley are also injured, then we don't have a great deal of choice. Given that Fabio can't start at home in the league cup against Norwich over Buttner or even our first choice right-back, then I wouldn't be sure Moyes will suddenly start using him (though I wish he would - I really like Fabio and hope he'll still make it here).
Rio and Vidic can't play anywhere but centre-back, whilst Smalling has played at right-back with varying degrees of success. Central-midfield is notoriously our weakest area, so with Carrick and Cleverley potentially injured, Anderson as out in the cold as Fabio, Giggs at 40 and Fellaini playing with an injury, it leaves us in a situation where Jones will likely be needed in central-midfield rather than defence. Ideally I wouldn't be starting Rio against either Sociedad or Arsenal.
Obviously that's worst case scenario with injuries, but potentially we could be looking at something like that.
He should be starting the CL match. Rafael's injured and he's our second best option at RB. Moyes's preference for Smalling/Jones/Valencia in this position is causing me some concern. I dread seeing Smalling's name on the team sheet at RB.
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