Fabio da Silva | 2013/14 Performances

[JustAFan]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

It would be interesting to go back and see what some posted about his loan to QPR when it first happened. Perhaps when I have some time I will.

 

[JustAFan]

When did Fabio get a shot? 5 minutes at the end of a match where Buttner was preferred to him?
I'm not saying Fabio will definitely be a world class player, just that he's better than Buttner at LB, and probably better at RB than Smalling and Jones.

Well he got a shot and who knows what the future holds, but the point I am making it is silly for people to always jump to the manager has something against the player view, especially when they have no real proof other then something they are making up in their own minds.

 

[ricky-romeo]

Possibly or he could become part of a group of players who do well elsewhere but not quite good enough for United or might be one of those who don't do well elsewhere or he could still end up staying at United and being a good player for us. Only time will tell.

hope he stays. i know he doesn't have a concrete position but he is more than good enough to get 30 games a season for us, at right back or left back. but it is obvious that he is not even getting that kind of opportunity at this moment and no one can blame him for wanting out.

 

[Red Dreams]

has Moyes commented on him? or is all this pure speculation?

 

[JustAFan]

has Moyes commented on him? or is all this pure speculation?

Speculation. Would not be surprised to see him go elsewhere, but kind of felt that when he was loaned to QPR last season, just had a feeling that perhaps he was not going to make it here. Which of course happens sometimes and sometimes we regret letting the player go and sometimes we don't.

 

[711]

Fabio looks years younger than Rafael nowadays, in face and build. Odd.

 

[Red Dreams]

Speculation. Would not be surprised to see him go elsewhere, but kind of felt that when he was loaned to QPR last season, just had a feeling that perhaps he was not going to make it here. Which of course happens sometimes and sometimes we regret letting the player go and sometimes we don't.

I cant believe we will let him go. Every time I have seen him for us he has been good. Must be some other issues.

 

[JustAFan]

Also, wasn't last night Fabio's 2nd appearance for us this season, he did start one PL game also right. Buttner has 3 appearances, yes all starts, two in the CC one in the League, right?

 

[Antisocial]

Moyes hasn't exactly made Rafael a permanent fixture in the team either despite him clearly being our best right-back - injuries aside, Moyes has had Rafael on the bench a few times in favour of Smalling/Jones/even Valencia.

Maybe Moyes just doesn't fancy the twins?

 

[JustAFan]

I cant believe we will let him go. Every time I have seen him for us he has been good. Must be some other issues.

I think it involes a small dog and a kick of said dog.

 

[Revan]

Moyes hasn't exactly made Rafael a permanent fixture in the team either despite him clearly being our best right-back - injuries aside, Moyes has had Rafael on the bench a few times in favour of Smalling/Jones/even Valencia.

Maybe Moyes just doesn't fancy the twins?

If I am not mistaken Rafael has started all games except against Stoke when he was available?

In fact it can be that he didn't played in another game when he just turned back from injury but that was normal considering that he had played inly 2-3 days before that game so it isn't good for a player who has just returned from injury to play 2 games in 3-4 days.

The Fabio situation is insane but Rafael is our first right back. Sadly it looks that Fabio will soon leave us which is a shame cause he could become a great player.

 

[JustAFan]

Moyes hasn't exactly made Rafael a permanent fixture in the team either despite him clearly being our best right-back - injuries aside, Moyes has had Rafael on the bench a few times in favour of Smalling/Jones/even Valencia.

Maybe Moyes just doesn't fancy the twins?

Think it has been knocks/injuries that have kept him out the most though, he started the Community Shield but got hurt and was not healthy enough for another game until over a month later. So that cost him a few appearances. He came back v Liverpool in League Cup, did not play 3 days later v WBA, which makes sense since he had just come back from injury.

We have had 6 games in October, Rafael has played in 5 of them.

Seems to me that when healthy Moyes is more than happy to play Rafael.

 

[Antisocial]

If I am not mistaken Rafael has started all games except against Stoke when he was available?

In fact it can be that he didn't played in another game when he just turned back from injury but that was normal considering that he had played inly 2-3 days before that game so it isn't good for a player who has just returned from injury to play 2 games in 3-4 days.

The Fabio situation is insane but Rafael is our first right back. Sadly it looks that Fabio will soon leave us which is a shame cause he could become a great player.

Think it has been knocks/injuries that have kept him out the most though, he started the Community Shield but got hurt and was not healthy enough for another game until over a month later. So that cost him a few appearances. He came back v Liverpool in League Cup, did not play 3 days later v WBA, which makes sense since he had just come back from injury.

We have had 6 games in October, Rafael has played in 5 of them.

Seems to me that when healthy Moyes is more than happy to play Rafael.

Just been digging-up the teams since Rafael returned against Liverpool, and I see I'm pretty much wrong in that last post - the Stoke game aside, the rest aren't as bad as I thought. He's been subbed a couple of times which may have affected my memory (though at least the Sociedad subbing was due to the referee and his cards) but he's getting more games/starts then I thought.

So it's more a case of Fabio not being in Moyes' plans right now. Hopefully that will change.

 

[Genius Me!]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

Such a ridiculous ridiculous generalisation and lazy post.

Buttner has to be one of the shittest defenders I've ever seen at our club, if not the shittest. Fabio deserves a chance, how will we find out if he can make it or not if he's not given a chance?

Oh and FYI I was excited for him when he got his loan move because I hoped it would help with his united career, and I've never hated Carrick.

 

[The Mitcher]

Such a ridiculous ridiculous generalisation and lazy post.

Buttner has to be one of the shittest defenders I've ever seen at our club, if not the shittest. Fabio deserves a chance, how will we find out if he can make it or not if he's not given a chance?

Oh and FYI I was excited for him when he got his loan move because I hoped it would help with his united career, and I've never hated Carrick.

Didn't say anything about Buttner, nor is this a lazy post because its the truth mate.

 

[Genius Me!]

Didn't say anything about Buttner, nor is this a lazy post because its the truth mate.

I didn't say you did mention Buttner, but the alternative to Fabio is Buttner.

And what truth? So because I want Fabio to be given a chance here that means I didn't give a Shit about him 2 seasons ago and that I hated Carrick? Is that your truth?

 

[Nickosaur]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

Sigh.

 

[Brwned]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

I'm not much of a moaner but from the outside looking in it seems completely ridiculous that Fábio's behind Buttner in the pecking order. You can probably count his poor games for us on one hand, and that includes a run at the end of the 10/11 season when we won the league and got to the CL final...and he was arguably our best player in the final. Certainly one of the very few players that did themselves proud in that game. In that run of games we won 4 out 5 league games (inc. wins v Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton), we won the only FA Cup game v Arsenal (in which he scored the opener), we won the semi-final v Schalke and then of course we lost the final. At no point did he look out of place in that side. It's just annoying to think that somehow he's not good enough to play ahead of Buttner.

I don't blame Moyes at all. It's entirely possible that by the time he came Fábio was already considering leaving and naturally he sided with the enthusiastic Buttner, I just think it should never have gotten to this stage.

 

[MoneyMay]

Said this - post below - in the previous page... What does Fábio have to prove exactly? He's too good for the reserves. He's already played in vital games for us and in a couple of them, he was our best player, against quality opposition...

His performances for Manchester United suggest that he has the potential to become world class. I still think Fábio is technically better than Rafael, he's certainly a better dribbler and passer IMO. He's not a top player just yet, but what makes me think he'll reach this level is his performances in 10/11. He played really well in the UCL, against the likes of Rangers, Marseille, Schalke, and even Barcelona - we're talking about a very talented player who has already proved that he can play in big games. Fergie played him in several crucial games that season, towards the end. He played in four of our last five fixtures, if I remember correctly, against Everton, Arsenal (our best player), Chelsea, and Blackburn.

Moyes playing Buttner is baffling because we have a better player in Fábio. Moyes playing Smalling and Jones at right back is also baffling because we have a better player in Fábio... And when he plays as a right back, he's not really out of position.

 

[The Neviller]

He's a better right back than both Smalling and Jones, and is a million miles better at left back than Buttner. Why we don't play him in either position when the other options are out or need rested is beyond me. I think we'd be making a mistake letting him go. For who? Baines? feck off.

 

[The Neviller]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

It's feck all to do with one game though, is it? We have a distinctly average (at best) left back in Buttner, and two centre backs who never look particularly comfortable playing at right back ahead of a good young full back who can play either side. Yet we never use him.

 

[Still ill]

I'm not much of a moaner but from the outside looking in it seems completely ridiculous that Fábio's behind Buttner in the pecking order. You can probably count his poor games for us on one hand, and that includes a run at the end of the 10/11 season when we won the league and got to the CL final...and he was arguably our best player in the final. Certainly one of the very few players that did themselves proud in that game. In that run of games we won 4 out 5 league games (inc. wins v Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton), we won the only FA Cup game v Arsenal (in which he scored the opener), we won the semi-final v Schalke and then of course we lost the final. At no point did he look out of place in that side. It's just annoying to think that somehow he's not good enough to play ahead of Buttner.

I don't blame Moyes at all. It's entirely possible that by the time he came Fábio was already considering leaving and naturally he sided with the enthusiastic Buttner, I just think it should never have gotten to this stage.

Agree with everything up to you not blaming Moyes at all, Brwned. He's his player, he's fit, he's available, he's clearly better than all other options on either side other than the men in possession. So manage him, stick him in there. And if he's thinking of getting out, give him a reason not to.

 

[Gerald G]

He should have went to Benfica when he had the chance instead of going to QPR. It'll be difficult for him to get games here unfortunately. Of course I hope he gets games when Evra/Rafael are not playing but that's few and far between. Maybe he'll be in Moyes' thoughts now, I don't know.

 

[Still ill]

Paddy has played a stupid amount of games in recent seasons. He's pushing on now, needs a rest every now and again. We need to be blooding a replacement. Just convince Fabio it's him and start worrying about more necessary transfer targets than Leighton.

 

[December_16]

I don't think Fabio needs convincing. Give him games and he'll convince everyone that he's worthy of the spot. Give him games Moyes!!

 

[Nighteyes]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

What an incredibly shite post.

I'd say, most United fans have always rated Fabio very highly which shouldn't be a surprise given his infectious attitude on the pitch and the quality he's already shown for the first team.

 

[RedRob]

As a number of others have said, I think his contract situation is probably responsible for the current lack of game time (and seemingly being considered dispensable). If, and this is a big if, he has got it into his head that he should be paid on parity with his more-established brother, it would be difficult for Moyes not to think he has ideas above his station. Hopefully they'll get back round the negotiating table and brash something out, because a future with Büttner as a first choice left back (in the event that Everton continue to play hardball over Baines) is not very encouraging.

 

[Timdbro]

As a number of others have said, I think his contract situation is probably responsible for the current lack of game time (and seemingly being considered dispensable). If, and this is a big if, he has got it into his head that he should be paid on parity with his more-established brother, it would be difficult for Moyes not to think he has ideas above his station. Hopefully they'll get back round the negotiating table and brash something out, because a future with Büttner as a first choice left back (in the event that Everton continue to play hardball over Baines) is not very encouraging.

As you say, that's a bit of a speculative hypothesis. But even if that's the case, the best way for both him and Moyes to find out whether he deserves those wages would be to play him. Play him in the league cup and in a few of our easier league matches and see how he performs. If he's good, pay him well, if he's not good, offer him what the club thinks he deserves or show him the door.
But for feck's sake, don't bloody play Buttner ahead of him and give him 5 minutes on the wing at the end of a blowout.

 

[Name Changed]

Fabio is light years ahead of Buttner. I',m surprised there is even a debate.

 

[JustAFan]

One other question, has Fabio missed any time due to any knocks picked up in training or anything this season?

 

[Amir]

One other question, has Fabio missed any time due to any knocks picked up in training or anything this season?

Hard to know because even if he misses a game through injury it's doubtful we'll even bother telling anyone. But I don't remember anything.

 

[buckooo1978]

The thing to remember is that Fabio was ahead of Rafael in the pecking order and started the CL final against Barca in London......

Since then Rafael has really come on physically and in terms of his confidence and performances were excellent last season

Fabio has been unlucky with injury and poor loan deals - he is still a useful squad player and I'd certainly hang onto him if I could.

 

[Sir Matt]

Hopefully he starts getting playing time. He's better than Young on the wing, Buttner at leftback, Smalling/Jones at rightback.

 

[Rossa]

Those people need something to moan about to function imo, they didn't give a crap about Fabio last season or the season before. These were the same people who were hating on carrick, and now love him. Its trying to find fault in a really good game.

Silly thing to say. I've always advocated that Fabio should be given more playing time, nor have I hated on Carrick. It's not trying to find fault at all, but one must be allowed to ask questions that seem a bit hard to answer. Büttner has been given a few chances now and shown that he is in fact a seriously average footballer at this level.

He should be given game time. If Moyes is stuck with an idea that his left back must be left footed to cross early, which doesn't work for United at all, then he's showing a somewhat limited thinking. I'm not arguing that is the case, but it is an argument thrown around in here quite a lot for not playing Fabio. What Fabio is showing is that he is very intelligent in attack. He chooses his runs meticulously and his technique is almost too good for a fullback. I've often found myself wondering if he could actually be a top central midfielder - quick, technical, good defensively, shoots well, passes the ball well in tight corners and good at closing down space.

 

[buckooo1978]

It's up to him really, he's not good enough (on current form/ability) to play regularly in our first team

Will he be patient enough to be a squad player?

In a squad where Moyes is trying to keep Rafael, Evra, Buttner, Smalling, Jones and Fabio happy it is difficult to see him get many games - we will definitely buy a left back should Evra leave as well if not Baines earlier

 

[Eric'sCollar]

It's up to him really, he's not good enough (on current form/ability) to play regularly in our first team

That's not the real issue here. It's that Buttner is ahead of him in the pecking order.

 

[Genius Me!]

It's up to him really, he's not good enough (on current form/ability) to play regularly in our first team

Will he be patient enough to be a squad player?

In a squad where Moyes is trying to keep Rafael, Evra, Buttner, Smalling, Jones and Fabio happy it is difficult to see him get many games - we will definitely buy a left back should Evra leave as well if not Baines earlier

How's he expected to be good enough if he doesn't get any chances to prove himself though?

 

[Rossa]

It's up to him really, he's not good enough (on current form/ability) to play regularly in our first team

Will he be patient enough to be a squad player?

In a squad where Moyes is trying to keep Rafael, Evra, Buttner, Smalling, Jones and Fabio happy it is difficult to see him get many games - we will definitely buy a left back should Evra leave as well if not Baines earlier

He isn't a squad player even, and that's the problem. He's behind Büttner for the left back position and behind Smalling and Jones for the right back position. Neither of those players have proven to be a better option than Fabio, that's why the discussion is still ongoing. He doesn't get a chance to prove himself.

 

[acnumber9]

He isn't a squad player even, and that's the problem. He's behind Büttner for the left back position and behind Smalling and Jones for the right back position. Neither of those players have proven to be a better option than Fabio, that's why the discussion is still ongoing. He doesn't get a chance to prove himself.

Maybe the manager has a good reason for that being the case. Do you think Moyes just took an irrational dislike to him one day? Maybe he's just not that good a left back.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

Managers have players they rate and others they don't. That's natural and it's his team, he picks it so he should pick the players he wants. It's his job on the line. The problem is, he surely can't rate Buttner higher than Fabio, he would be one of, if not the only person who could actually believe that.