Fabio Coentrao

bosnian_red said:
This just completes a joke of a deadline day really. I didn't really want him or anything, but it just shows more incompetence from our part. Couldn't send the paperwork in on time :lol:
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We did send the paperwork in on time, like all the reports and everyone above have just said. It just makes an opportunity for people to keep having digs at our incompetence, when in fact this was all due to Real Madrid not getting a cover... :rolleyes:
 
Thought he was a better option than Baines anyway, but would only make sense if Evra was leaving.

Not particularly fussed that Madrid pulled out despite the versatility he offers and his obvious quality, but we certainly can get by without him.

If he's still frustrated in January/next summer take another look.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I've read that the paperwork was done on time but Madrid pulled out at the last minute as they were worried about not having a replacement for him.

At this point we can believe what we want I suppose.
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Yeah, the problem was that Madrid ran out of time to get a replacement.
 
bosnian_red said:
Could be that, but after everything ats happened with us this window, it just seems more likely that we fecked things up.
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Well, that maybe depends on how you want to view it.

Did we feck up Thiago? Not really, his old boss asked him to hook up at the reigning UCL holders. If you want to claim feck ups, blame Fergie for not winning it last year (kidding..it was Nani's fault!).
Fabregas? Hard to feck up when a player wants to stay at his boyhood club. We maybe fecked up by being so public in our advances but that's debateable.
Baines? Surplus to requirements. Signing himn would have been a feck up.
Herrera? This one seems clearly down to Dildao being pricks. We offered the same amount as release clause, they declined.
Concentrao? Again, the club where he's currently at backed out. Unlucky.
Fellaini? We took a risk and got burned on the price, it's maybe one of a handful of times in the history of transfers that a player was successfully purchased and people still say the buyer fecked up.
 
Red Shorts said:
We did send the paperwork in on time, like all the reports and everyone above have just said. It just makes an opportunity for people to keep having digs at our incompetence, when in fact this was all due to Real Madrid not getting a cover... :rolleyes:
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Which, in fairness, was due to us doing this at the very, very last hour.
 
Ubik said:
Which, in fairness, was due to us doing this at the very, very last hour.
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Even if we did it at the beginning of the day (which none of us know if we actually did), if Real won't loan to us without a replacement, then they won't loan. It is as simple as that.
 
But they had a replacement lined up, according to reports. But since we did it so late, their replacement went elsewhere, leading to them killing the deal.
 
Ubik said:
But they had a replacement lined up, according to reports. But since we did it so late, their replacement went elsewhere, leading to them killing the deal.
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Yes, Madrid had a player on hold all week. When they hadn't acted on it by Monday afternoon a loan deal to Benifica was arranged. Madrid apparently kept them on hold until after 10, but then the player and Benfica started getting nervous.

By the time we were ready to move, the standby had already completed his loan deal. We think we got in with three minutes left. Madrid say hard luck.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Well, that maybe depends on how you want to view it.

Did we feck up Thiago? Not really, his old boss asked him to hook up at the reigning UCL holders. If you want to claim feck ups, blame Fergie for not winning it last year (kidding..it was Nani's fault!).
Fabregas? Hard to feck up when a player wants to stay at his boyhood club. We maybe fecked up by being so public in our advances but that's debateable.
Baines? Surplus to requirements. Signing himn would have been a feck up.
Herrera? This one seems clearly down to Dildao being pricks. We offered the same amount as release clause, they declined.
Concentrao? Again, the club where he's currently at backed out. Unlucky.
Fellaini? We took a risk and got burned on the price, it's maybe one of a handful of times in the history of transfers that a player was successfully purchased and people still say the buyer fecked up.
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I think we're working under financial constraints. There's no chance Barca would entertain anything under £40m for Fabregas, as for Herrera why did we leave it so late? Clearly we've made mistakes, for a club like Manchester United to make a whole summer of them is unthinkable. As far as I can see, you put your money where your mouth is, Arsenal did...consequently they've bought a top quality player. Those are the fees we're having to compete with. Oh well at least we've got Fellaini...
 
Spoony said:
I think we're working under financial constraints. There's no chance Barca would entertain anything under £40m for Fabregas, as for Herrera why did we leave it so late? Clearly we've made mistakes, for a club like Manchester United to make a whole summer of them is unthinkable. As far as I can see, you put your money where your mouth is, Arsenal did...consequently they've bought a top quality player. Those are the fees we're having to compete with. Oh well at least we've got Fellaini...
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Perhaps, but we're also working under the over quarter century of Fergie where we as a club would refuse to be held to ransom for players for as long as possible. Remember the consensus that Spurs took us to the cleaners for Carrick? That's what every club seeling us a player will do, because we're one of the richest clubs going. We need to shake off that mentality and catch up to the real world. I think I stated last week that we are about five years behind the market in terms of valuation. The club are guilty of dithering about prices and putting in stupidly low bids so yeah, I'd agree with you somewhat but I would counter that the financial constraints are there because we want them to be not because the money's unavailable, if that makes sense.
 
I think it's quite clear they're far more concerned with the financial and commercial aspects of the club than doing what it takes to increase the quality of the squad itself.
 
Spoony said:
I think we're working under financial constraints. There's no chance Barca would entertain anything under £40m for Fabregas, as for Herrera why did we leave it so late? Clearly we've made mistakes, for a club like Manchester United to make a whole summer of them is unthinkable. As far as I can see, you put your money where your mouth is, Arsenal did...consequently they've bought a top quality player. Those are the fees we're having to compete with. Oh well at least we've got Fellaini...
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But then apparently we made a 40m bit for khediera which he has confirmed, well the bid anyway not the value I guess. Plus we clearly wanted both Herrera and fellaini and even if we were haggling we would know we had to pay 20m each for either player. So looks like there was at least 40m around, we hurt ha some random valuations for players and some odd transfer tactics.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Perhaps, but we're also working under the over quarter century of Fergie where we as a club would refuse to be held to ransom for players for as long as possible. Remember the consensus that Spurs took us to the cleaners for Carrick? That's what every club seeling us a player will do, because we're one of the richest clubs going. We need to shake off that mentality and catch up to the real world. I think I stated last week that we are about five years behind the market in terms of valuation. The club are guilty of dithering about prices and putting in stupidly low bids so yeah, I'd agree with you somewhat but I would counter that the financial constraints are there because we want them to be not because the money's unavailable, if that makes sense.
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I disagree, Dwayne. Fergie's never baulked at spending top dollar for his main targets. Rio? Veron? Rio? Keane? Berbatov? In fact he always had tunnel vision regarding targets. Clearly something changed a few years back.
 
Ash_G said:
But then apparently we made a 40m bit for khediera which he has confirmed, well the bid anyway not the value I guess. Plus we clearly wanted both Herrera and fellaini and even if we were haggling we would know we had to pay 20m each for either player. So looks like there was at least 40m around, we hurt ha some random valuations for players and some odd transfer tactics.
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I find it hard to believe we put a £40m bid in for such a limited player. Real would've bitten our hands off.
 
Cina said:
I think it's quite clear they're far more concerned with the financial and commercial aspects of the club than doing what it takes to increase the quality of the squad itself.
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If that's the case, then one will eventually impact on the other. If the team start failing, then it will become harder to get sponsers. There will be plenty of fans who have no historical connection to the club, families support for generations, who will quite merrily jump to the teams who are constantly winning things. As long as we are successful we will be fine, if we go through a long barren spell again, it will sort out the fairweather fans from the rest. I admire fans who stick with a club no matter what.
 
Yeah I call bullshit on the Khedeira deal. Looks purely like leaks from the Real side, nothing our side. We'd never bid that much and they'd never turn down that much.
 
Spoony said:
I find it hard to believe we put a £40m bid in for such a limited player. Real would've bitten our hands off.
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I'd hope so too, but even if the valuation is off I don't see why khediera would lie about us bidding for him last minute.
 
did we really put in a loan-bid, or was this a rumour that spiraled out of control on twitter?....(cheers feeky)
 
Cina said:
Pretty much everything points to us making the loan move. It felt apart when Real missed out on their left-back target.
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Ya, saw mentions of Siqueria (sp?), the lad Liverpool were linked with.
 
Gee Male said:
So half the Caf have been pissing and moaning about the club for allowing this to fall through, yet it has been confirmed by the BBC that the agreement was in place before the deadline and necessary paperwork submitted only for Madrid to back out due to not signing a replacement.

So not the club's fault.

Which won't fit into the narrative on here.
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I fail to understand how Real can back out once all paperwork has been put through and confirmed?
 
charleysurf said:
Yeah, the problem was that Madrid ran out of time to get a replacement.
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And whose fault is that? In what planet can we expect everyone to stand by with our Plan Bs waiting for us to get all our business lined up? Farcical.
 
Phil said:
I fail to understand how Real can back out once all paperwork has been put through and confirmed?
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Eddy probably thought the same. Clever man Eddy, relying on Real being forced to honour a deal by the LFP and being left with no LB cover because we gave them three minutes to close a deal for a player who had already moved on elsewhere.
 
Spoony said:
I disagree, Dwayne. Fergie's never baulked at spending top dollar for his main targets. Rio? Veron? Rio? Keane? Berbatov? In fact he always had tunnel vision regarding targets. Clearly something changed a few years back.
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I think Fergie balked at spending more than 30 million plenty of times. Benzema, for one stands out. Even the Berbatov deal went to the wire because Fegire could not bring himself to spend 31 million.
 
Bestie07 said:
If it would have been 40 million, it would have been 40 million for Khedira and Coentrao. We'll never know.
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That's fine my main point though was that by the looks of it we could have spent 40m, I mean we were clearly trying for both fellaini and Herrera who would have cost in excess of 40m minimum without haggling. So the fabregas thing and some of the other transfer rumours related to us seem to be an issue over our odd valuations than the restricted budget.
 
We could've easily gotten Coentrao a few months ago for the same price as we would've gotten Baines.

C'est la vie...
 
Well we had a joint bid of £40m for Fellaini and Baines, and although it's not certain I think we were in for two midfielders rather than just the one, so we did I think have a fair bit to spend. We've just been penny-wise and pound-foolish in the end, letting the Fellaini clause expire with the idea Everton could be persuaded to sell for less once it was off the table (bravo to whoever came up with that), then realised too late in the day (literally) that Baines wasn't a goer and tried very belatedly for Coentrao (who has been available all summer).
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I think Fergie balked at spending more than 30 million plenty of times. Benzema, for one stands out. Even the Berbatov deal went to the wire because Fegire could not bring himself to spend 31 million.
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He spent close to £30m on Veron over a decade ago, and more than £30m on Rio and Berbatov. This at a time when £30m seemed astronomical. Unless this is 2005, Dwayne £30m isn't spending top dollar.
 
Fergie was managing at a time when £1m was an astronomical figure. I think he would have gone past £30m if he was ever able to
 
Veron's what burnt his fingers I think, Rio was one of the best in the world in his position and we were dragged kicking and screaming to get Berbatov in much the same manner as yesterday. £30m has been the standard for quite a while but it's shifted up of late, and we haven't quite moved with it.
 
Phil said:
I fail to understand how Real can back out once all paperwork has been put through and confirmed?
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Because all the paperwork hadn't been confirmed. An intention to deal had been signed by us, but so late Madrid couldn't get a replacement. We then had an hour to get the rest of the paperwork, Madrid didn't oblige.
 
Cina said:
We could've easily gotten Coentrao a few months ago for the same price as we would've gotten Baines.

C'est la vie...
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Not so sure, I think Bale's joiniing Real made the loan possible.
 
Spoony said:
He spent close to £30m on Veron over a decade ago, and more than £30m on Rio and Berbatov. This at a time when £30m seemed astronomical. Unless this is 2005, Dwayne £30m isn't spending top dollar.
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And that's what I alluded to earlier, I'm sure. As a club our valuations are well behind the times.

Berbatov, at something like 30.75 million, is our transfer record. In today's market thats not hard to beat.
 
I'm glad this was both on and off while I was sleeping. It's actually hilarious how many people are unaware of this episode.
 
Gee Male said:
So half the Caf have been pissing and moaning about the club for allowing this to fall through, yet it has been confirmed by the BBC that the agreement was in place before the deadline and necessary paperwork submitted only for Madrid to back out due to not signing a replacement.

So not the club's fault.

Which won't fit into the narrative on here.
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Yeah, all clubs should obey the big Man United in their plan B tentatives that come in deadline day.
 
moses said:
Not so sure, I think Bale's joiniing Real made the loan possible.
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Whaddya mean? He was basically available the whole summer. I guess maybe they wanted to use him as bait for Spurs.

Seems clear he was our backup if Baines fell through.
 
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