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Fabio Coentrao to Madrid
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1. It's F365 and 2. that doesn't back up your point...playing on either wing isn't the same as playing at either fullback position. Maybe he can play at right back but that doesn't mean he has done.
1) What's wrong with F365? They're one of the more credible football sources on the net.
2) Originally I doubted myself because Arruda seemed so confident but this seems to confirm that my memory was correct.
It doesn't confirm anything! It doesn't say that he played right back at any point in his career, it says he can play at left back, on either wing or in midfield. And if he did, they probably wouldn't know. People living in Portugal that watch Portuguese football are likely more credible sources (in this instance) than F365.
Benfica fan here.
And i have never seen Coentrao play at right back.
And i have never seen Coentrao play at right back.
No, I think you're misreading it. See Brwned's posts above. If the sentence read "He's a full back who can play on both flanks" it would tally with what you're saying. But "wing" is an entirely different position.
Must say, I was never overly impressed with him for Madrid, but he's been class for Portugal in the Euro's. Their best player against Germany and second best (after Nani) today.
I liked him at the previous tournament, hasnt done it for me at Madrid and defensively I think he's still lacking. Other than his usual nice bursts forward with his dribbling, I think he's been dissappointing. Poor choice of pass and poor delivery
He is simply an excellent player.
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Ah this should be good.........
Ah this should be good.........
I know he is. he caught my attention in 2010 at that time not many considered him to be a top player.
2 tackles, 1 clearance and 0 interceptions and won 0 aerial duels out of the 1 he has attempted in 2 matches. Also 2 fouls.
Coming forward he has lots of dribbles. Has 1 accurate cross out of 6 attempts and a 70.8% pass accuracy with his mostly pointless passes (1 key pass so far)
Coming forward he has lots of dribbles. Has 1 accurate cross out of 6 attempts and a 70.8% pass accuracy with his mostly pointless passes (1 key pass so far)
Oh ffs, football is more than maths, you bring up all these stats to make him look like a poor player while the majority of people can see he has been excellent for Portugal so far. I don't understand all these people who drool at stats, what happened to just using your eyes to see if a player is good or not? I swear some people are turning into robots.
His dribbling is very good
The stats are for people like you, who cant see he hasnt been very good. If dribbles are all that matter for a fullback Ronaldo would be an excellent one.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no expert like you in any way. You saw that David Silva was going to turn out shite a long time ago...
Anyway, I just try to enjoy a football game and all this overanalyzing and people talking about positions and strategies thinking they're better than the paid coaches out there just does my head in. I know this is a football forum to discuss football in the first place, but the overusing of stats and the like gets a bit tedious for me. [/vent]
Good post, Vato.
Don't you know that Leon Brittan was the best midfielder in Europe last year
Opta and his pass completion say so
So which other positions only require one thing?
So far we have dribbling is all thats needed for a fullback. And now passing is all thats needed for a midfielder
I'm wondering how Messi and Ronaldo would do as fullbacks, and how the most creative passer I've seen, Ronaldinho, would do in central midfield
Wasnt one of the arguments for evra being the world best fullback a couple of years back based around his dribbling as his strong point? He used to provide us a lot of width on that left side by carrying the ball from the back but i didnt provide an end product 9 times out of 10. Thats why we could play giggs/park there, who would cut inside. If coentaro improves his defending(has great pace to compensate as well) why cant he do something similar for real/portugal? all he needs to do is drag the players out of position for the attacking players.
He can play in a variety of positions as well so definitely one to have in the team.
I don't think anyone is saying that Ekeke, but are you suggesting with your stats that Coentrao had bad games for Portugal so far in this tournament?
wow you are so blinded by your opinion that you cant even get sarcasm now.
He caught my attention two years ago but has disappointed me hugely since. Maybe I've had too big expectations. Good tournament so far, though, or rather decent first, and good to very good second game.
EDIT: and let's be honest, we wouldn't have this bump had he not made that run and cross for the winner.
EDIT: and let's be honest, we wouldn't have this bump had he not made that run and cross for the winner.
That's also a good point, his versatility is what makes him a very useful player to have in your team. I agree that he gets caught off position sometimes but that happens to most of the attacking fullbacks at some point.
Rather its a case of some folks being prone to being dumb.
I suggested he's been dissappointing. Great dribbling, sure. One of highest amounts of dribbles in the tournament. But for someone who used to be a winger his final ball has been absolutely terrible and he's done next to nothing defensively. Which dissappoints me because I liked him at the world cup
He has influenced the match going forward and got on the ball. I'm not even sure if it helps Ronaldo having him out there. Isnt that what he's supposed to be doing?
He's been better than Pereira on the other side though which doesnt bode well for Valencia.
Well I don't agree that he's been disappointing and it's not me being biased because I'll be the first one to admit Ronaldo has been disappointing so far. I think he's had very good games so far, one of the best players for this Portuguese side imo.
Other than Nani I'm not sure I can bring myself to say any Portuguese player has played well. They've looked poor to me
He had two good games so far, but it's not easy to play with Ronaldo on same side. Ronaldo isn't tracking back at all, and for every good clearance from Coentrao, there are times when he has two oposition players against himself, and they make him look silly.
Portugal already conceeded two or three goals in two games after cross from coentrao's side, and most of other crosses(and corners) came from that side, and every single of them could have been stoped in making if Ronaldo properly tracked back. If you watch Ronaldo's d closely and compare him to Nani for example, you could easily say Nani is Nemanja Vidic of defending for him.
These are their defensive stats from todays game:
.............................Nani ........ Ronaldo
Tackles ...................2................0
Interceptions:..........6................0
Clearances:.............1................0
Coentrao must be pissed off.
Portugal already conceeded two or three goals in two games after cross from coentrao's side, and most of other crosses(and corners) came from that side, and every single of them could have been stoped in making if Ronaldo properly tracked back. If you watch Ronaldo's d closely and compare him to Nani for example, you could easily say Nani is Nemanja Vidic of defending for him.
These are their defensive stats from todays game:
.............................Nani ........ Ronaldo
Tackles ...................2................0
Interceptions:..........6................0
Clearances:.............1................0
Coentrao must be pissed off.
I only saw the first half today, but against Germany I thought he was pretty crap to be honest. He is good going forward, and went up the left wing over and over again, but he was defensive poor. A lot of attacks came done his side, and the goal came from a cross down Germany's right where they had threatened a lot during the match. I just think if Evra played like that, he'd have been slaughtered. Just because he cost a fortune, and plays for Madrid he can be excused for non-existent defending. That's my two cents, and people will probably disagree and he may have been better today, but I don't rate him that highly.
Ronaldo not tracking back is exactly why you'd expect him to be doing a decent amount of defending. He isnt. So its not just Ronaldo who isnt back and doing a shift. On their left hand side neither is doing it.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/288104/Fabio-Coentrao-fits-the-Ashley-Cole-bill-for-Chelsea
Can't be true! At 12million, that'd be a steal.
Can't be true! At 12million, that'd be a steal.
Real is willing to take ~ £20 million hit? Nah.
Dailly star.......
He's currently residing in the Real Madrid doghouse - first with the press, then the fans, then the Madrid directors, and now Mourinho's supposed to be fed up as well. He was late for 4pm training on New year's day (traffic jam driving back from Portugal) and it's not the first time apparently.
Mourinho's always been his big defender, but he's taken the latest incident personally as a kind of betrayal given the need for a united front and a good start to the year. Mourinho's now suggesting a maximum club fine and a new home on the transfer list.
All allegedly of course.
So, anyone need a defender (apart from Madrid who won't have Pepe and Marcelo for at least another month)
Mourinho's always been his big defender, but he's taken the latest incident personally as a kind of betrayal given the need for a united front and a good start to the year. Mourinho's now suggesting a maximum club fine and a new home on the transfer list.
All allegedly of course.
So, anyone need a defender (apart from Madrid who won't have Pepe and Marcelo for at least another month)
I'm still not sold on him defensively, granted I've not watched a lot of Madrid this season so he could have improved, but he is only young and we do need a left back...
The way things are going I see Madrid dipping into the market for some defenders.
Will be funny if they sell him. Wonder how much a club would be willing to pay for him, certainly nowhere near the way-over-the-top fee Madrid paid for him