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Thiago Motta is out, definitely.
No he's not, he's due to sign a 1 year contract extension + an option for a further 2 years to be a youth team coach.

Edit: Just seen a contradicting report saying he will also leave. Who knows :lol:
 
Come on woodward :mad:. Why not assure him some game time at rb too and push AV as a winger in few games.
Do you not remember a few seasons back with how painfully average Valencia was as a winger. Changing his position to a RB was one of the best things LVG did during his time here.
 
When Jose made that 'since March' comment, I found it extremely curious. Why did he have to say that? I wondered. It occurred to me that he probably was not impressed by the progress made in securing the new players up to that point and was typically trying to set up blames for Woody if eventually we failed to get the players he wants. That other comment about staying away completely from the transfer efforts was equally significant ('If we don't get the players I want, blame Woodward'). Maybe this is BS but it makes sense to me considering how Jose is very methodical, often knows precisely who he wants for his teams and how he always wants them added early enough so as to prepare well for the next season.

One gets the feeling that if Woody fails to get him the players he wants, he will start throwing tantrums. The potential beginning of the third/fourth season capitulation.

Interesting post, you could probably read Mourinho's comments in different ways, the impression i got from was that he had done his analysis on the squad and submitted a list of players he would like to enhance the team/squad and a contingency plan should we not get our priprity signings.

I think Morata is a done deal, the only sticking point is Perisic and Fabinho. On Perisic Inter are being greedy but on Fabinho i get the impression he is not a priority but i fear Matic or Dier are ahead of him.
 
If Matic is our first choice, it seems a very dangerous game to be playing.

I can see us ending up with only 1 signing this summer in the position we needed the least.

Fabinho is a good player and makes sense considering price/positions he can play + squad makeup, but if Mourinho doesn't fancy him then we have to accept that.

If we are relying on Chelsea signing 2 midfielders before they'll sell Matic then it's stupid. Move onto a different target.
 
Friday’s edition of L’Equipe covers renewed PSG interest in Fabinho, and efforts to sign the player. But even they don’t sound too sure, using the Daily Record to back them up.

From the French side of the information, L’Equipe report Monaco haven’t received any offers from PSG. Of all the clubs to sell Fabinho to, PSG would surely be the last which Monaco would pick, but even so, it’s stated a fee would be ‘nearly €50m’.

That further underlines a €50m Manchester United offer would almost certaintly have been accepted, especially given it was earlier in the window.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/manchester-united-fabinho-look-current-situation-competition-transfer-fee/

So L'equipe are being very clickbaity. There is nothing really added to their article and they are using Castles to back them up.
 
Jose hates leaks. He considers anyone who leaks club plans as a traitor. I can imagine him working with Woodward to ensure our transfer targets and moves are not leaked and I'm betting that's why the journos know little about what is going on. I am confident we will sign good players. They may not be the type of players those who love Champaign football prefer but they will be the type of players who will fit in perfectly into Jose's plan for the team.

Agreed. It shows how complex football transfers are that only one or two players have signed for Europe's big clubs. There's that "one" transfer to happen yet that will trigget the domino effect. In this moment in time, everyone is just lining up their transfers and then they will be signed off.
 
It's starting to feel like CL qualification, once touted as so important for the transfer window, isn't making a huge amount of difference after all. Time will tell I suppose......
 
It's starting to feel like CL qualification, once touted as so important for the transfer window, isn't making a huge amount of difference after all. Time will tell I suppose......

I think thats whats leading to the doom mongering around here. People are looking at our "supposed" targets and seeing EL level players where as most (including myself) were expecting bonafide superstar signings one after the other as soon as we got CL qualification.
 
It's starting to feel like CL qualification, once touted as so important for the transfer window, isn't making a huge amount of difference after all. Time will tell I suppose......

Would have likely been a deal-breaker in the Griezmann negotiations (although obviously that one fell apart anyway). Not sure our other reported targets would have been put off by us losing to Ajax.
 
It's starting to feel like CL qualification, once touted as so important for the transfer window, isn't making a huge amount of difference after all. Time will tell I suppose......

I think thats whats leading to the doom mongering around here. People are looking at our "supposed" targets and seeing EL level players where as most (including myself) were expecting bonafide superstar signings one after the other as soon as we got CL qualification.

Griezmann was the superstar signing based on CL qualification.
 
It's starting to feel like CL qualification, once touted as so important for the transfer window, isn't making a huge amount of difference after all. Time will tell I suppose......

afaik we are not being rejected by players. Fabinho, Perisic, Morata have all been reported as eager to join us.

Problem we have atm is clubs won't accept our offers. We are clearly seen as a cash cow.
 
Do you not remember a few seasons back with how painfully average Valencia was as a winger. Changing his position to a RB was one of the best things LVG did during his time here.

The whole team was pain fully average under moyes and AV was no different comming from injuries. Now he is at his fittest in recent years. Also AV does play as a winger in his national team and is very effective at that role too still.
 
If we miss fabinho to psg it will be another Sadio mane and kante disaster in the long run. I am not against of the idea of getting matic but fabinho should be the ideal first choice over any other player.

Identifying 3 targets in evrey position and then leaving it to cost and availability not the ideal way to go about buisness and make mistakes again and again which woodward has been making since he took over the job from gill and ferguson. Proactivity in the market is essential and united are not proactive in the market one bit.

The article also mentioned of Psg's intrest inthe player for veratti's potential departure means they are also looking at him in a def mid position So it makes no sense for us to not make the decison to sign him and move on to other targets in the first place.
 
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afaik we are not being rejected by players. Fabinho, Perisic, Morata have all been reported as eager to join us.

Problem we have atm is clubs won't accept our offers. We are clearly seen as a cash cow
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This is the problem right now.

Clubs are simply taking advantage of United's current state of transition and the need to bring in quality players in order to escape it. We have the funds available to purchase any player on the planet, aware of this fact they bump up the asking price significantly.

Ironically being the richest club on the planet comes at a heavy cost.
 
afaik we are not being rejected by players. Fabinho, Perisic, Morata have all been reported as eager to join us.

Problem we have atm is clubs won't accept our offers. We are clearly seen as a cash cow.

Spot on.

I don't know why people don't get this. I am very proud of Woody for holding out. If we eventually pay those crazy sums the clubs are demanding, let's go down fighting rather than just doling out money easily.

There is no doubt we will get the players Jose wants or at least most of them. But we need to negotiate hard and if necessary, long. If we don't every club on the planet will start adding an extra 100% on player costs each time we show up. Fans need to brace up, this is going to be one long summer and rightly so.
 
If we miss fabinho to psg it will be another Sadio mane and kante disaster in the long run. I am not against of the idea of getting matic but fabinho should be the ideal first choice over any other player.

Identifying 3 targets in evrey position and then leaving it to cost and availability not the ideal way to go about buisness and make mistakes again and again which woodward has been making since he took over the job from gill and ferguson. Proactivity in the market is essential and united are not proactive in the market one bit.

The article also mentioned of Psg's intrest inthe player for veratti's potential departure means they are also looking at him in a def mid position So it makes no sense for us to not make the decison to sign him and move on to other targets in the first place.
Disaster, really?

Which of our four signings last year would you have not bought in order to get one or both of them for £65m?
 
Interesting post, you could probably read Mourinho's comments in different ways, the impression i got from was that he had done his analysis on the squad and submitted a list of players he would like to enhance the team/squad and a contingency plan should we not get our priprity signings.

I think Morata is a done deal, the only sticking point is Perisic and Fabinho. On Perisic Inter are being greedy but on Fabinho i get the impression he is not a priority but i fear Matic or Dier are ahead of him.

I share that view. But what got me curious was Jose saying it publicly. He is a man who aims his words carefully. Why did he tell everyone he gave Woody his list months ago and that it was up to him to deliver? I am almost sure it's because of the reasons I suggested earlier. The alternative motive could just be to show off. To show that he had done his home work early and that he knew exactly how to improve the team. The man sure knows how to spin the media. :lol:
 
This is the problem right now.

Clubs are simply taking advantage of United's current state of transition and the need to bring in quality players in order to escape it. We have the funds available to purchase any player on the planet, aware of this fact they bump up the asking price significantly.

Ironically being the richest club on the planet comes at a heavy cost.

Spot on.

I don't know why people don't get this. I am very proud of Woody for holding out. If we eventually pay those crazy sums the clubs are demanding, let's go down fighting rather than just doling out money easily.

There is no doubt we will get the players Jose wants or at least most of them. But we need to negotiate hard and if necessary, long. If we don't every club on the planet will start adding an extra 100% on player costs each time we show up. Fans need to brace up, this is going to be one long summer and rightly so.

To counter the issue , we must be proactive in our transfer buisness and not reactive anymore Since we are no longer guided by fergie. We need to scout and identify the players at very initial stages and purchase him from low level clubs who are lower than the decent mid levels clubs itself. Even if the players fails the fee wont be too much.

CLubs such as southhamption tottenham are doing way better business in identifying those players who are then fetching huge fee in the market and are top players . When Southhampton and tottenham can get the likes of van dyk mane and ali and kane walker for little money, why are united not buying the potnetials proactively just like saf used to do in his tenure?
 
Disaster, really?

Which of our four signings last year would you have not bought in order to get one or both of them for £65m?

Pogba?
Now I know this is controversial but we may have been better overall with Kante Herrera midfield and Mane in the attack.

Personally I am glad we have Pogba though and wouldn't swap him for anyone.
 
Spot on.

I don't know why people don't get this. I am very proud of Woody for holding out. If we eventually pay those crazy sums the clubs are demanding, let's go down fighting rather than just doling out money easily.

There is no doubt we will get the players Jose wants or at least most of them. But we need to negotiate hard and if necessary, long. If we don't every club on the planet will start adding an extra 100% on player costs each time we show up. Fans need to brace up, this is going to be one long summer and rightly so.

Another point is we are shopping at clubs that don't need the money - Chelsea, real, inter and Monaco (given the silva and bakayoko sales) but that is why Lindelof was sealed quickly.

It's like trying to buy a classic car off a millionaire who doesn't need the money. We will have to pay over the odds
 
Pogba?
Now I know this is controversial but we may have been better overall with Kante Herrera midfield and Mane in the attack.

Personally I am glad we have Pogba though and wouldn't swap him for anyone.
Last year, possibly, but going forward we have potentially the world's best midfielder so I think it'd be looked at as crazy to have taken those two over him.
 
Disaster, really?

Which of our four signings last year would you have not bought in order to get one or both of them for £65m?

Well i would have sold schneiderlin in the summer itself than to wait till janaury when clearly he was very much down the pecking order and also done the deal for sadio mane or dembele without letting them go to other clubs specially rivals.
 
Another point is we are shopping at clubs that don't need the money - Chelsea, real, inter and Monaco (given the silva and bakayoko sales)

You clearly have a very balanced view of what is going on.
 
To counter the issue , we must be proactive in our transfer buisness and not reactive anymore Since we are no longer guided by fergie. We need to scout and identify the players at very initial stages and purchase him from low level clubs who are lower than the decent mid levels clubs itself. Even if the players fails the fee wont be too much.

CLubs such as southhamption tottenham are doing way better business in identifying those players who are then fetching huge fee in the market and are top players . When Southhampton and tottenham can get the likes of van dyk mane and ali and kane walker for little money, why are united not buying the potnetials proactively just like saf used to do in his tenure?

You have to have balance.
We have signed Lindelof and Bailly (alot of potential), we already have Martial and Rashford and also Pereira in attack/midfield. They need to be complimented with quality not potential.
 
Last year, possibly, but going forward we have potentially the world's best midfielder so I think it'd be looked at as crazy to have taken those two over him.

Kante is also rated very highly though
 
Kante is also rated very highly though
And no better than Herrera imo.
Well i would have sold schneiderlin in the summer itself than to wait till janaury when clearly he was very much down the pecking order and also done the deal for sadio mane or dembele without letting them go to other clubs specially rivals.
Yeah, let's sell a player before our new manager can figure out if he needs them or not.

If you just list every good player a club doesn't sign every summer then you're going to be endlessly fecking frustrated. You can't get them all. We spent £150m last summer and made four excellent purchases, how spoilt can you possibly get?
 
To counter the issue , we must be proactive in our transfer buisness and not reactive anymore Since we are no longer guided by fergie. We need to scout and identify the players at very initial stages and purchase him from low level clubs who are lower than the decent mid levels clubs itself. Even if the players fails the fee wont be too much.

CLubs such as southhamption tottenham are doing way better business in identifying those players who are then fetching huge fee in the market and are top players . When Southhampton and tottenham can get the likes of van dyk mane and ali and kane walker for little money, why are united not buying the potnetials proactively just like saf used to do in his tenure?

Good point but I think SAF mixed them up well. He signed from top clubs, now level club's and small clubs.
 
You have to have balance.
We have signed Lindelof and Bailly (alot of potential), we already have Martial and Rashford and also Pereira in attack/midfield. They need to be complimented with quality not potential.

We have to balance now because of the serious under investment we did under the latter years of fergie. But when you get that balance you need to back it up with proactivity in order to not find yourselves in desperate situation as we are now again in the future since we sold players left right and centre under lvg which would have added depth and balance now.
 
Good point but I think SAF mixed them up well. He signed from top clubs, now level club's and small clubs.

Of course every body mixes them up, but not at the cost of giving up proactivity. In fergie years we were under a privilage of having to sell players like pique because of already having the likes of vidic and ferdinand. We could sell players like RVN under no pressure because of having ROOney and ronaldo , this is the proactivity which united have missed since fergie.
 
We have to balance now because of the serious under investment we did under the latter years of fergie. But when you get that balance you need to back it up with proactivity in order to not find yourselves in desperate situation as we are now again in the future since we sold players left right and centre under lvg which would have added depth and balance now.

I agree
 
And no better than Herrera imo.

Yeah, let's sell a player before our new manager can figure out if he needs them or not.

If you just list every good player a club doesn't sign every summer then you're going to be endlessly fecking frustrated. You can't get them all. We spent £150m last summer and made four excellent purchases, how spoilt can you possibly get?

Well sometimes you have to be ruthless, when a better quality is available. We made 4 exellent purchases yes , but we let go 2-3 very very very important players needed for a title challenge. We have to make ruthless decisions in order to avoid playing catch up to others.
 
Well sometimes you have to be ruthless, when a better quality is available. We made 4 exellent purchases yes , but we let go 2-3 very very very important players needed for a title challenge. We have to make ruthless decisions in order to avoid playing catch up to others.
what do you mean ruthless decisions?

Spend another 100m on those three players to bring our total for one window to £250m?
 
Of course every body mixes them up, but not at the cost of giving up proactivity. In fergie years we were under a privilage of having to sell players like pique because of already having the likes of vidic and ferdinand. We could sell players like RVN under no pressure because of having ROOney and ronaldo , this is the proactivity which united have missed since fergie.

That's what I was going to say regarding your first post. You can only be proactive when you have a settled first XIV. We have lacked that in the last 6 years which seems to be an awfully long time.
 
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