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So fellas, either we are not into the Fabinho type of player or we are not after Fabinho himself. Both options leave a lot to be discussed.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Could be.

Begs the question, though: Will he also be bringing in a starting No 10, or will he rely on whatever we have (Mickey, Mata) for that?

If it's the former, and the Perisic interest is genuine, we might look at:

Herrera.....Pogba

Mickey/Mata..........Mata/Mickey..........Perisic

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Doesn't fill me with great confidence, to be honest.

I'd much rather see us unleash Pogba to a greater extent in a 4-3-3 variation, with an added DM of sufficient quality.

DM

Herrera......Pogba

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The second Formation Looks fine to me. If we Play the 4-2-3-1 I would like to see Mata in the middle Mkhi right and Martial left. I do not really see what Perisic adds compared to the latter.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
If that's the case, we'll struggle to make top 5 next season. Our midfield deficiencies were clear all season, Pogba and Herrera need protection and freedom to do their thing. Carrick doesn't have the legs to play more than 2 games a month nowadays.
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Frankly, DM is not why we did not make top four last season. It was a lack of killer instinct in front of goal. Convert a fraction of those sitters we missed to points, and many of our transfer conversations would be different. Maybe this is Jose's thinking hence our links mainly to attackers. Iceman coming in might simply be because of his conviction that we are short of ballers in the center back position.

This does not mean I don't think we need a new DM. Just trying to get into Jose's mind assuming hr is not seriously in search of a DM.
 
I still think that Fabinho, Herrera and Pogba would be great but I've seen people write that there wouldn't be enough goals. If Herrera can score and assist a little more it would make a big difference in a 4-3-3. Can we score 70-80 goals with Morata, Mkhitaryan and Martial leading the line? Morata has to hit the ground running, Martial and Mkhitaryan both have to hit their 15-16 form as well to do so imo.
 
Womp said:
We won't do that with Dier or Matic, so I hope so.
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Matic is massively underated here. Minus that well documented disastrous last season, Matic was a beast under Jose and before then when he was at Portugal.

If Jose wants him and he wants to play for United, I will be very optimistic that he will succeed here.
 
Nick. said:
I still think that Fabinho, Herrera and Pogba would be great but I've seen people write that there wouldn't be enough goals. If Herrera can score and assist a little more it would make a big difference in a 4-3-3. Can we score 70-80 goals with Morata, Mkhitaryan and Martial leading the line? Morata has to hit the ground running, Martial and Mkhitaryan both have to hit their 15-16 form as well to do so imo.
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Martial is still exchanging jabs with his ex girlfriend on Instagram. I am not sure he will be scoring 10 goals next season.
 
Remember when Pogba was overplayed and subsequently injured and Herrera was tired and couldn't play every game...that's right. Carrick should be counted as a bonus, not a regular at this point. We need another midfielder along with addition of Pereira. The type is up for debate.
 
Twitter is losing their minds over this guy. Someone even tweeted that our entire season hangs on if we get him or not. Come on, get a grip.
 
Sb_16 said:
Remember when Pogba was overplayed and subsequently injured and Herrera was tired and couldn't play every game...that's right. Carrick should be counted as a bonus, not a regular at this point. We need another midfielder along with addition of Pereira. The type is up for debate.
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I dont think so. We need a holding, defensive midfielder who compliments Pogba and Herrera. Pereira will get games, Carrick as well while I hope Fellaini is sold
 
Escobar said:
I dont think so. We need a holding, defensive midfielder who compliments Pogba and Herrera. Pereira will get games, Carrick as well while I hope Fellaini is sold
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I dont think he will sell Fellaini if im honest, the lad causes problems and i think Jose likes him. But not as a Midfielder in the sense of Pogba or Herrera. More an impact sub to plug a gap or hunt a goal.

Pereira will play but we are still short here if he does not see Blind as a midfielder. It could be that he is happy with 6 players happy to play centre mid. I dont agree but he may accept that Pogs Herrera Carrick as the main 3 and Pereira Blind Fellaini to be utilised where and when needed. Plus the kids to back them up.

But its still really short of top notch quality in that second 3 to be pushing for a consistant place in the team, you'd have to argue we sold better and that is not being replaced.
 
I really do think he's the ideal player to partner Herrera and Pogba. Obviously he used to be a right back and is physical and quick, breaks up play well and can equally beat a man and thread a pass to a winger or forward. He also managed 9 goals from that position last season.

What impresses me most about him though is his swagger, he's ideally suited to be a United player and whilst there are other options he is by far and away the best for me. Not seen it said before but he looks the closest thing to Vieira I have seen since he retired.

High praise but I think whoever ends up signing him will have a world class midfielder for the next 5-10 years.
 
GM K said:
Frankly, DM is not why we did not make top four last season. It was a lack of killer instinct in front of goal. Convert a fraction of those sitters we missed to points, and many of our transfer conversations would be different. Maybe this is Jose's thinking hence our links mainly to attackers. Iceman coming in might simply be because of his conviction that we are short of ballers in the center back position.

This does not mean I don't think we need a new DM. Just trying to get into Jose's mind assuming hr is not seriously in search of a DM.
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I disagree, a DM would allow Pogba to play higher up the field and without so much defensive responsibility Pogba would create more chances and score more goals himself. Yes we missed sitters, but over the course of a season so does every team. I'm sure most teams could make a case for games they should and could have won.

I'd argue that not having a specialist DM was one of our biggest weaknesses, as it means that we have our most creative central midfielders out of position and puts a greater defensive burden on our wide players.
 
I get sick of all the whining around here. If Jose doesn't think he'd suit us then I'm glad we don't get him. He's coached him before, seen him at first hand, knows more about what he wants for his team than any of us. Get over yourselves.
 
don't sign old players said:
I get sick of all the whining around here. If Jose doesn't think he'd suit us then I'm glad we don't get him. He's coached him before, seen him at first hand, knows more about what he wants for his team than any of us. Get over yourselves.
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Jose is not a God and can misjudge players too. Can you explain to me how a manager can think Fellaini is suited for our team than someone like Fabinho? Jose sold Mata and prefered Oscars, one is still playing for a great club in England the other one is in China. Jose bought one of the best left back, Felipe Luiz, only to sold him after one season; he bought the Bundesliga best player and benched him for half the season.

At the end, he is still a human and can make mistakes too. Fabinho is a great player, he's better than any other player we have been linked with and is still young, it'd be stupid for United to not be interested in such a player, unless we've been told by Monaco that they'll not sell.
 
Where is the article from the bbc saying we are not interested in him, cant find it anywhere or is the title being updated with the BBC newspaper gossip column?
 
Escobar said:
I dont think so. We need a holding, defensive midfielder who compliments Pogba and Herrera. Pereira will get games, Carrick as well while I hope Fellaini is sold
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That's what most of us want. But then a no10 in Griezmann was a serious target and the likes of Fabinho is not in consideration. Don't know what formation we'll play next season. We need bodies, however I'm starting to think it's not necessarily to partner Pogba and Herrera.
 
LoveFootball said:
Jose is not a God and can misjudge players too. Can you explain to me how a manager can think Fellaini is suited for our team than someone like Fabinho? Jose sold Mata and prefered Oscars, one is still playing for a great club in England the other one is in China. Jose bought one of the best left back, Felipe Luiz, only to sold him after one season; he bought the Bundesliga best player and benched him for half the season.

At the end, he is still a human and can make mistakes too. Fabinho is a great player, he's better than any other player we have been linked with and is still young, it'd be stupid for United to not be interested in such a player, unless we've been told by Monaco that they'll not sell.
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At the same time though, there is no point buying a player Mou isnt interested in, as we'll just end up paying money for someone to sit on the bench.

If Mou doesnt want a player, there is no point pursuing him. No matter how good he is. We may think he can improve us immensely, but if Mou doesn't then why bother signing him
 
Luke Parker said:
I disagree, a DM would allow Pogba to play higher up the field and without so much defensive responsibility Pogba would create more chances and score more goals himself. Yes we missed sitters, but over the course of a season so does every team. I'm sure most teams could make a case for games they should and could have won.

I'd argue that not having a specialist DM was one of our biggest weaknesses, as it means that we have our most creative central midfielders out of position and puts a greater defensive burden on our wide players.
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Good logic but no matter what other teams can or cannot claim in terms of missing chances, the reality for United (and almost every pundit and analyst testified to this) was that we bungled many, many games because of poor finishing. There is nothing a good DM would have done to help Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Mata, Zlatan, Pogba and Mikhi stab those open chances home.

That's the reality of last season. But hey, mate, I don't disagree with you that we need a good DM and that not having a good DM last season affected our ability to create more chances. I just think too many of our boys were really off form in goal scoring terms last season and Jose's thinking might be that if we can get more scorers accross the pitch, then problem solved since he probably trusts the players available to execute his plans in defence and midfield. But this is just me saying. And my hands are up, I could be wrong.
 
kentafuji said:
At the same time though, there is no point buying a player Mou isnt interested in, as we'll just end up paying money for someone to sit on the bench.

If Mou doesnt want a player, there is no point pursuing him. No matter how good he is. We may think he can improve us immensely, but if Mou doesn't then why bother signing him
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You are right, but if Jose isn't interested in Fabinho and we end up again next season with Fellaini in our midfield, then we must send him in a psychiatric hospital.

Manchester United should be after any available great player, especially when the player in question would strengthen an area we are currently lacking qualities.
 
People mentioning Fellaini as our back-up creative/attacking CM.....do you not think that this is the sort of thing that means we are finishing 5th and 6th in the league?
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
People mentioning Fellaini as our back-up creative/attacking CM.....do you not think that this is the sort of thing that means we are finishing 5th and 6th in the league?
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It is, but it's pretty much fact. Fellaini will almost definitely be here next season whether we like it or not.
 
Sb_16 said:
That's what most of us want. But then a no10 in Griezmann was a serious target and the likes of Fabinho is not in consideration. Don't know what formation we'll play next season. We need bodies, however I'm starting to think it's not necessarily to partner Pogba and Herrera.
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We dont know which midfielder Jose's targeting yet. We will find out soon enough
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
People mentioning Fellaini as our back-up creative/attacking CM.....do you not think that this is the sort of thing that means we are finishing 5th and 6th in the league?
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Just as a squad player, not at all, he's very useful and adds variety to our resources. By the way, in case you forgot, he was MoTM in the Europa League final and in a few league games also.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
People mentioning Fellaini as our back-up creative/attacking CM.....do you not think that this is the sort of thing that means we are finishing 5th and 6th in the league?
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Agree.

We've been crying out for some depth and quality in our midfield since Fergie left.

Basing this on a 4-3-3 formation I feel a DM is essential this year to allow Pogba/Herrera play further up together, with Pereira/Fellaini as back up. I'd even go as far as saying we need another CM as the backup of Fellaini (not good enough) & Pereira (young, untested) may not be strong enough. Have Herrera/Carrick to fill in at DM when needed.

Could play other formations of course. It's apparent Fellaini will be around the squad however *Sigh*
 
Fabinho is not a defensive midfielder. He is a box to box player that wasn't as good at Bakayoko doing the same job. He is not the man to improve the team or unleash Pogba. If anything he'd be a liability. Pogba needs someone who is going to sit, cover him and the area and can read the game well. Just keep it ticking over. That is not Fabinho. We need someone more like a Matic if Jose intends to press forward with either a 433 or most likely a 4231
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Fabinho is not a defensive midfielder. He is a box to box player that wasn't as good at Bakayoko doing the same job. He is not the man to improve the team or unleash Pogba. If anything he'd be a liability. Pogba needs someone who is going to sit, cover him and the area and can read the game well. Just keep it ticking over. That is not Fabinho. We need someone more like a Matic if Jose intends to press forward with either a 433 or most likely a 4231
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@JPRouve
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Fabinho is not a defensive midfielder. He is a box to box player that wasn't as good at Bakayoko doing the same job. He is not the man to improve the team or unleash Pogba. If anything he'd be a liability. Pogba needs someone who is going to sit, cover him and the area and can read the game well. Just keep it ticking over. That is not Fabinho. We need someone more like a Matic if Jose intends to press forward with either a 433 or most likely a 4231
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Huh? Not seen anything to evidence Fabinho is anything but a DM.

Wasn't he initially a right back who converted to DM? Admittedly I've not seen a huge amount of Monaco''s games but I've never seen Fabinho operate as a box to box.

Think your off the mark here.

And the Matic comment, i'll laugh it off as he is not the signing we need. He has been in decline for 3 seasons......I'd rather Dier than Matic
 
Craig Ward said:
Huh? Not seen anything to evidence Fabinho is anything but a DM.

Wasn't he initially a right back who converted to DM? Admittedly I've not seen a huge amount of Monaco''s games but I've never seen Fabinho operate as a box to box.

Think your off the mark here.

And the Matic comment, i'll laugh it off as he is not the signing we need. He has been in decline for 3 seasons......I'd rather Dier than Matic
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I watched Monaco all season. He is not a DM, or he doesn't play like one. He won't sit, his passing is ok and he is decent under pressure but he loves to go for a wonder and break forward. If you want someone to anchor a midfield he is not your man.
He is better at getting back at people as he uses his athletic ability and surprised strength but it's chasing back at people and if you've got Pogba wanting to get forward and make something happen (which coincidentally is the same thing Fabinho wants to do)

Also I noticed people keep referencing his goal tally with things like from a defensive midfield position. He scored 2 goals from open play and the rest were penalties. 9 out of 11, all pens.

As for laughing off the Matic, ideally he wouldn't be my first choice, but it's a player like him that United need for either system. Again Fabinho is not that guy that will sit and anchor a midfield. He doesn't read a game well and is positionally suspect.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Fabinho is not a defensive midfielder. He is a box to box player that wasn't as good at Bakayoko doing the same job. He is not the man to improve the team or unleash Pogba. If anything he'd be a liability. Pogba needs someone who is going to sit, cover him and the area and can read the game well. Just keep it ticking over. That is not Fabinho. We need someone more like a Matic if Jose intends to press forward with either a 433 or most likely a 4231
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Out of the two I always thought Bakayoko is way overrated. Mainly about physical strength than skill
 
Escobar said:
Out of the two I always thought Bakayoko is way overrated. Mainly about physical strength than skill
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To be honest you are sort of right, Bakayoko is a poor mans Pogba but I feel like he was better than Fabinho was in his defensive duties, abilities. They both rely on their athleticism too much. At times it is fantastic watching them stride forward people bouncing off of them well Bakayoko, fanbinho is more like a rubber band. Both are overrated but if I'm choosing between the two then I'd go Baka and only choose Fabinho for fullback if I failed for Semedo or someone like that.

If there was a guy from the French league I wanted then it was Tolliso but he has just signed for Bayern. He was more intelligent and composed than both but again he is a bit more of an attacking player than a defensive one.

As for a DM for us I personally don't really see a standout player but someone like Javi Martinez, Carvalho, Matic or Dier makes more sense to me.
 
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