F1 Season 2025

The FIA has tweaked the wording of the F1 2025 regulations, outlawing the circumstances that allowed for McLaren’s controversial ‘mini-DRS’ rear wing.
The latest edition of the Technical Regulations for F1 2025 has been published by the FIA, revealing changes in the wording of the rules related to the rear wing and the DRS.
Article 3.10.1.c of the latest published Technical Regulations for F1 2025 states that: “At all points along the span, the rear wing profiles must have a minimum gap of between 9.4mm and 13mm.
McLaren’s low-downforce rear wing drew scrutiny after the Azerbaijan Grand Prix after TV footage revealed the rear wing flexing on Oscar Piastri’s MCL38 while the Australian led the race ahead of Ferrari’s Charles Leclerc.

The flex suggested a ‘mini-DRS’ effect, with the gap between the slats of the rear wing appearing to open wider than the rules permitted – however, the rear wing passed all static load tests in scrutineering.

But, following protestations from Red Bull and Ferrari, the FIA moved to ensure McLaren made changes to the rear wing design going forward, with the Woking-based squad making “proactive” changes to all of its rear wing range for the rest of the season, while the FIA’s Nikolas Tombazis indicated McLaren may have faced tougher sanctions had they not made the alterations.

While flexibility tests won’t change for F1 2025, the FIA has outlined wording changes in the regulations aimed at closing any particular grey areas allowing for unforeseen flexing in rear wings.

“This will apply when the DRS is not in the state of deployment and will be measured with a spherical gauge.”

The rules pertaining to the DRS have also been tightened up under Article 3.10.10, with an exact definition of deployment offered as meaning DRS usage starts when “the adjustment of the DRS bodywork away from its original geometry has been commanded by direct driver input and controlled using the control electronics, and ending when the DRS bodywork has been returned to that same original geometry, having been disabled by the control electronics.”

Furthermore, while deployed, “At all points along the span, the two sections of the rear wing profiles must have a minimum gap of between 9.4mm and 85mm. This will be measured with a spherical gauge.”


Separately, the FIA has also clarified regulations pertaining to ‘Heat Hazard’. Under these regulations, Article 4.7 of the Technical Regulations, if race temperatures are forecast to exceed 30.5 degrees celsius, drivers must be given a cooling device in the cockpit. To compensate, the minimum weight limit will rise by 5kg in these circumstances.
 
Camilo said:
Is there any other sport which has more clueless commentary and presenter teams? I know football is a bit similar, lots of shouting etc.., but surely nothing comes close to F1.

If you watch a Moto GP race it's really interesting because whoever the commentators are, they know everything to do with bikes and racing. The F1 shouter gives no insight into anything, which just makes things confusing. It used to be fun with Murray, but I always got the impression he was genuinely excited. The current guy, just annoying.

It's a bit of a shame really. Is it that difficult? If it's not exciting on its own, some shouting isn't going to fix it.
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Get a VPN and get F1TV. Different commentators, it was a game changer for me. Full reruns of old races going back 30 years as well, it's great
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I was watched both live, after Senna’s death I stopped watching F1 , till Lewis started.
Took a long time to get over Senna’s death
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He was my guy and I loved his passion and aggression and really had a dislike for the sport for a while after his death, but I went to live in Germany in 95 and somehow got sucked into the Schumi mania that swept the country and by 96 I watched every single race. As much as I hated Schumacher when Senna was driving I started to warm to the machine that was Schumacher by the time I moved back home almost 8 years later I was fully on the Schumi wagon. It saddens me deeply that we didn't get more races between them two it would've been something else. That era was just awesome.
 
Who do we think would win if all past champions were put in exactly the same car?

Obviously all are very talented, but Senna looked exceptional (he was racing before I was born/a couple of years before I was old enough to properly start watching) especially as the car looked so hard to drive, none of the "mod cons" we have now. Think he'd have won more titles if he hadn't been killed.

What it made me hope for desperately, is if we can't have multiple teams competing for the title, that we have both drivers in a team going head to head for the title, like his battle with Prost.

It's all a bit too nicey nice now. Thing is we won't get it at RB as they seem set to stick with Perez. I can only see it at Ferrari, but has Lewis still got 100% of his ability and sharpness? Jury's out on Lando (I don't think he's ruthless enough) and Oscar's form fell off a cliff at the end of the season.

Would be really interesting to see a documentary on how they've worked on safety over the years, I've got so used to seeing the Halo you forget how exposed drivers were in the cockpit. Lets not forget people were against it originally. I know Prof Sod Watkins did a tonne of work on it.
 
United Hobbit said:
Who do we think would win if all past champions were put in exactly the same car?

Obviously all are very talented, but Senna looked exceptional (he was racing before I was born/a couple of years before I was old enough to properly start watching) especially as the car looked so hard to drive, none of the "mod cons" we have now. Think he'd have won more titles if he hadn't been killed.

What it made me hope for desperately, is if we can't have multiple teams competing for the title, that we have both drivers in a team going head to head for the title, like his battle with Prost.

It's all a bit too nicey nice now. Thing is we won't get it at RB as they seem set to stick with Perez. I can only see it at Ferrari, but has Lewis still got 100% of his ability and sharpness? Jury's out on Lando (I don't think he's ruthless enough) and Oscar's form fell off a cliff at the end of the season.

Would be really interesting to see a documentary on how they've worked on safety over the years, I've got so used to seeing the Halo you forget how exposed drivers were in the cockpit. Lets not forget people were against it originally. I know Prof Sod Watkins did a tonne of work on it.
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I think it would be between Senna, MSC and Hamilton depending on which cars tbh.

Think schumi could probably extract the most of the car itself but it's impossible, unlimited testing available? Is there drs? What engine etc
 
United Hobbit said:
Who do we think would win if all past champions were put in exactly the same car?

Obviously all are very talented, but Senna looked exceptional (he was racing before I was born/a couple of years before I was old enough to properly start watching) especially as the car looked so hard to drive, none of the "mod cons" we have now. Think he'd have won more titles if he hadn't been killed.

What it made me hope for desperately, is if we can't have multiple teams competing for the title, that we have both drivers in a team going head to head for the title, like his battle with Prost.

It's all a bit too nicey nice now. Thing is we won't get it at RB as they seem set to stick with Perez. I can only see it at Ferrari, but has Lewis still got 100% of his ability and sharpness? Jury's out on Lando (I don't think he's ruthless enough) and Oscar's form fell off a cliff at the end of the season.

Would be really interesting to see a documentary on how they've worked on safety over the years, I've got so used to seeing the Halo you forget how exposed drivers were in the cockpit. Lets not forget people were against it originally. I know Prof Sod Watkins did a tonne of work on it.
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Most likely Senna. Clark next.

Schumacher and Hamilton were exceptionally quick too but you build a car with them. The other two could have been racing shopping trolleys and won.
 
11101 said:
Most likely Senna. Clark next.

Schumacher and Hamilton were exceptionally quick too but you build a car with them. The other two could have been racing shopping trolleys and won.
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Not correct on Schumacher.. one of his "problems" at the start was he would drive around issuesand Ferrari / Benneton wouldn't believe his teammate, causing some developmental mistakes in the car
 
Rumours doing the rounds today that Perez is out at Red Bull for Liam Lawson.

A lot of people mentioning that the French guy that broke the story is very reliable & close to a lot of French drivers so people are speculating that Issac Hadjar will be in the second VCARB seat and that ties in to Perez leaving.
 
Everyone is reporting it, it seems like Yuki (and lots of other people) has overrated himself, obviously Red Bull think Lawson is better or has more potential. He definitely looked good last year, if I remember well he beat Yuki in few first races in F1.
 
Amar__ said:
Everyone is reporting it, it seems like Yuki (and lots of other people) has overrated himself, obviously Red Bull think Lawson is better or has more potential. He definitely looked good last year, if I remember well he beat Yuki in few first races in F1.
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I think it's more that Yuki is a Honda affiliated driver and Lawson is from their own academy. Yuki's been consistently good for a couple of years and was handily better than Danny Ric and has (understandbly) had the upper hand on Lawson since he's came in the last 6 races. But as always it's just politics in F1 with the Honda Red Bull deal ending at the end of next season, Red Bull probably don't want to be put in a awkward place.

I hope Lawson proves everyone wrong but you would be forgiven for expecting it to go the same way as the Gasly/Albon fiasco's of Red Bull over expecting from drivers not quite ready to take the leap into a front running team.
 
Lawson seemed fast enough didn’t he? Reckless though. And no doubt unclear if he can handle the pressure of being in a top seat.
 
Perez, who has essentially been sacked, said: "I'm incredibly grateful for the past four years with Red Bull Racing and for the opportunity to race with such an amazing team.

"Driving for Red Bull has been an unforgettable experience and I'll always cherish the successes we achieved together."
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BBC brutal.
 
Amar__ said:
Everyone is reporting it, it seems like Yuki (and lots of other people) has overrated himself, obviously Red Bull think Lawson is better or has more potential. He definitely looked good last year, if I remember well he beat Yuki in few first races in F1.
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Lawson is as average as they come in terms of outright pace. He gets regularly outqualified, even Sargeant seemed quicker than him in F2 when they were teammates.

In these regulations, grid position is vital. Yuki's Honda links are the only reason IMO why he may get overlooked for Lawson.

Hadjar has potential, but again he is extremely hot-headed like Yuki
 
Red Bull should have kicked out Perez quicker and gone for Sainz earlier this season.
 
RDCR07 said:
Red Bull should have kicked out Perez quicker and gone for Sainz earlier this season.
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Sainz would have been a headache for Max, Lawson will be perfect partner for him but I don't think it's the strongest pairing for the constructors.
 
avgp_1 said:
Lawson is as average as they come in terms of outright pace. He gets regularly outqualified, even Sargeant seemed quicker than him in F2 when they were teammates.

In these regulations, grid position is vital. Yuki's Honda links are the only reason IMO why he may get overlooked for Lawson.

Hadjar has potential, but again he is extremely hot-headed like Yuki
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I mean, in his first F1 race he beat Tsunoda by few places. In second race he qualified just behind Tsunoda and finished in decent 11th place(Yuki was DNF that race). In third race he outqualified Yuki, and finished 9th(Yuki DNF). In fourth race Tsunoda just edged him in qualifying, and Lawson beat him in the race again.

Coming half into a season as a replacement rookie and beating Tsunoda who drives that car for two years isn't really that bad as you are making it out to be. Either he is decent, or Tsunoda is shite, there is other option. And Yuki is definitely not great driver either.
 
I feel like Yuki is being overlooked and I'm not sure why. He surely is better than Lawson.
 
They made that new contract look absolutely ridiculous, he was already toiling when it was announced, and last season Max more or less carried them to the constructors - he couldn't do that this year as we actually had competition from other teams

He simply had to go

They missed out on Sainz because of the stupid contract decision as well, will they have to pay Checo compensation or can they just outright bin him because of failure to meet performance goals?
 
United Hobbit said:
will they have to pay Checo compensation or can they just outright bin him because of failure to meet performance goals?
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Yes, Red Bull have terminated the contract so they'll pay out his contract for the year plus a load more. That doesn't take into account sponsor penalties they'll no doubt have to pay without Perez being in this seat.
 
Amar__ said:
I mean, in his first F1 race he beat Tsunoda by few places. In second race he qualified just behind Tsunoda and finished in decent 11th place(Yuki was DNF that race). In third race he outqualified Yuki, and finished 9th(Yuki DNF). In fourth race Tsunoda just edged him in qualifying, and Lawson beat him in the race again.

Coming half into a season as a replacement rookie and beating Tsunoda who drives that car for two years isn't really that bad as you are making it out to be. Either he is decent, or Tsunoda is shite, there is other option. And Yuki is definitely not great driver either.
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You have to look closer at the races when you claim someone beat the other. Yuki had terrible luck in their races together in 2023. Should have been comfortably in the points in Zandvoort, the first race you mentioned, but AT made terrible strategy calls before the rain came in (Was on course for 7th) and then he lost a massive chunk of time after the pitstops, Lawson was nowhere in that race (which is understandable as it was his first race). It was a DNS at Monza, Singapore he was taken out by Perez, and again in Japan suffered due to AT's strategy as he was much faster than Lawson but they let him get stuck behind him when he had fresher tyres. He never should have lost to Lawson. Outqualified him 3-1

This season, he has outqualified Lawson 6-0 in their races together. Outscored him 8-4. He deserves to be promoted as he has done what he needed to, i.e, beat his teammates in the sister team.

Lawson has never been an outright fast driver IMO. I have followed him through the junior series, Red Bull had a much better driver in Vips but he killed his own F1 career.
 
Finally they have binned Perez. It sure took them long enough, and cost them a constructors trophy. I doubt Lawson is going to be anywhere near Max, but he should at the very least have the car performing in the top half of the table. If he can get out of the first session of qualifying, and finish above mid table each race he will be an upgrade for them at least.
 
Dargonk said:
Finally they have binned Perez. It sure took them long enough, and cost them a constructors trophy. I doubt Lawson is going to be anywhere near Max, but he should at the very least have the car performing in the top half of the table. If he can get out of the first session of qualifying, and finish above mid table each race he will be an upgrade for them at least.
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I mean it didn't actually cost them the constructors. Even if they'd replaced Perez in the summer break, there's almost no chance Tsunoda or Lawson were going to pull 78 points more out of the last 10 races. They'd have to finish in the top 6 every race.
 
There was a stat floating around that if Perez didn't exist after the first four races then Red Bull would still have finished 3rd in the constructors championship which both shows how useless Perez was and how much of a beast Max is.
 
SilentWitness said:
There was a stat floating around that if Perez didn't exist after the first four races then Red Bull would still have finished 3rd in the constructors championship which both shows how useless Perez was and how much of a beast Max is.
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Just another way of saying Perez didn’t score much after the first 4 races.
 
I think it will be fun to see him in an RB car. It's the hardest seat on the grid to go into, but he's more aggressive than pretty much all of Max's teammates to date.

I'm expecting more drama than what we saw with Checo.
 
Ahmer Baig said:
Liam Lawson to race for RB, it has been announced.
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Happy with that. He wasn't too far behind Tsunoda on overall pace despite coming in mid season and having far less experience in that car and F1 in general and he's had some pretty good moments. He's also shown he's not one to get pushed about and is willing to defend hard. Absolutely loved how he handled Perez divebombing him in Mexico. Tsunoda is prone to losing his head sometimes. Big challenge though being up against Max in your first full season but I hope he does well.
 
Red Shorts said:
I think it will be fun to see him in an RB car. It's the hardest seat on the grid to go into, but he's more aggressive than pretty much all of Max's teammates to date.

I'm expecting more drama than what we saw with Checo.
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agreed. there’s the obvious all the development work on the car being aimed at max, not being allowed to overtake max, having to swap positions with max if it benefits max. but also only being allowed to eat what max leaves, him exercising his right of prima nocta for any new girlfriend of yours and having to clean all max’s cars and emptying his streaming piss jugs.
 
rimaldo said:
agreed. there’s the obvious all the development work on the car being aimed at max, not being allowed to overtake max, having to swap positions with max if it benefits max. but also only being allowed to eat what max leaves, him exercising his right of prima nocta for any new girlfriend of yours and having to clean all max’s cars and emptying his streaming piss jugs.
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:lol::lol::lol:. Having seen Lawson's missus, this could be an easy choice for Max
 
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