That's a slam dunk penalty. Pretty stupid error from Verstappen, throws away a point
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Norris was definitely holding back. And Verstappen will lose a fair chunk of time coming through.
If Norris can get a good grid position tomorrow there is just no way they lose to the Red Bull. Need Piastri to have a good qualy session again
that’s cos masi’s was so bad they had to pay and nda.
Max was given a championship and the fans that he got into f1 think that's just the way it goes.
It’s an electronic timing thing. The steward has no role to play in it. Either you’re under the delta time or over it. Slam dunk penalty. Just like the pit lane speed limits
Then why not immediately give it. Why take so much time, summon both driver and team, etc.. circus.
The Rain 
No red bull driver in that feature with Vettel?
Not sure we are getting qualifying....
Not sure we are getting qualifying....
I think they try and do it before the race
That was all a bit strange, why was max attacking before the virtual safety car ended?
I see the rain has arrived , is qualifying in doubt ?
Because he expected it to be fine like it has been the previous 15 times he's done it.
(for me it's not a clear cut thing though, arguably you could get the driver behind you in trouble if you wanted if this how they handle it. Just take a few extra wide turns.)
Seeing that qualifying is delayed but heavy rain is forecast for the next 3 hours or so.
Could get qualifying Sunday ?
Could get qualifying Sunday ?
I think so, though if it's too wet for qually tomorrow, does that mean they will use the results of sprint race to decide the grid?
If that happens Norris will start P1 and Verstappen P9. That will be interesting to watch.
Sprint qually result I think. As on a normal GP weekend it would be the result of the last FP session that ran i.e. FP3 normally
I guess giving the driver and team a right of reply means it doesn’t fuel any conspiracy theories that Herbert is the next Michael Masi.
He himself acknowledged it seems he was overzealous a bit and that he didn't properly adjust for Piastri dropping back and then making the connection again. Feels like a combination of perhaps being caught mildly asleep and being overly eager to make the restart count like he usually does.
Yeah, no way we have any running today. It is a shame we can't see them go at in these conditions. Norris and Verstappen are probably the best alongside Hamilton in the wet
Boring bastards not racing in the rain.
To be fair in this case it's understandable, there's lakes of water at some of the corners.
That's wild and I wouldn't rule it out but logically I can't see how it would work. Water temperature increases and will increase degradation. Plus also the added weight of water to the car would no doubt be a detriment.
without newey they’re just guessing at how things on a car works.
How would water that has been sitting in a heated tire cool that tire from the inside? Only benefit I see is it increases the thermal mass... but that has to be more than outweighed by the added actual mass. Sounds made up.
The important question is - what does this mean for my predictions?!
Well tyre temperatures are both surface and core. I have no idea if it’s physically possible or not but I could see how it might cool the core. Having said that these tyres heat to around 100 degrees and so, how long would the advantage last? The water would heat to par and / or boil off in no time.
RedBull tried this a few years ago themselves and it was instantly banned by the FIA.Besides all of the tyres are returned to pirelli post race, used or unused for analysis.
Id be utterly amazed if this were true.
If herbert 'michael masi's', Norris into a WDC title, then I'm all for it.
It's always Red Bull stiring the pot, awful team
Looks like they've pencilled in a qualifying start time
Good question and I have no idea , I presume the picks will be ok just no point for pole , that’s if there is no qualifying.
I don't think we are getting qualifying unfortunately
It's getting too dark. I did not think it will happen. Apparently very wet tomorrow morning.
Now would they have gone out on that track as it is currently in the 90s?
Hulkenberg for Williams and Magnussen in the Hass took pole in similar conditions to what we have now. Some of the smaller teams must be relishing this.
Maybe I have selective memory but I don't remember any qualifying being cancelled/postponed because of rain in the 90s
Yep. Id send them out. Remember some awful qually conditions in spa and Malaysia,when we got shock pole positions due to the rain.
730pm uk time now if they run.
They really need to sort the tyres/cars so we can see wet racing/qualifying, it is what makes for the most exciting results as you often end up with a grid that's all over the place, and you get to truly admire the skill of the drivers
I know there was what happened with Jules, which was a tragic, freak accident, but perhaps to negate anything like that happening they implement a rule if any recovery vehicles need to enter the track, it's red flagged and it can't enter until everything is stationary
Also feel bad for the fans who have paid money and stayed there despite the weather and probably won't even get any sort of refund. Like that absolute FARCE in Belgium a few years back where the fans got 2 laps behind the SC
I know there was what happened with Jules, which was a tragic, freak accident, but perhaps to negate anything like that happening they implement a rule if any recovery vehicles need to enter the track, it's red flagged and it can't enter until everything is stationary
Also feel bad for the fans who have paid money and stayed there despite the weather and probably won't even get any sort of refund. Like that absolute FARCE in Belgium a few years back where the fans got 2 laps behind the SC
That said, they didn’t have a full wet tyre like Pirelli. The full wet is a large contributor why we have moments like this where it doesn’t shift the water terribly well. Spray is another challenge.
Looking on Sky rain is still heavy , also it looks like it’s getting dark also , can’t see it happening