F1 2024 Season

Watching McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes will be most interesting. Can McLaren build on their car to be a strong contender likewise Ferrari, they have punchy cars while Merc have been a boring all rounder. Someone like Lando could be best served staying at McLaren if Merc are still stuck trying to find speed.

If Merc can get a bit more staying and overtaking power on the straights they could easily edge out the other two.
 
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Isn't it more about the car that gets the tyres into the optimum working temperature and keeping them there. On one lap pace in quali we saw Max could be matched but over a race distance he and that Red Bull would just increase the gap.
 
redshaw said:
Watching McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes will be most interesting. Can McLaren build on their car to be a strong contender likewise Ferrari, they have punchy cars while Merc have been a boring all rounder. Someone like Lando could be best served staying at McLaren if Merc are still stuck trying to find speed.

If Merc can get a bit more staying and overtaking power on the straights they could easily edge out the other two.
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Mercedes already had better car than Ferrari last year, and Mclaren had better car overall I would argue too. Better on the tires, more reliable, not quite as quick over one lap in qualifiers, but Ferrari edges on Mclaren just because they have more experienced drivers, IMO. But all of them were still lot behind Red Bull.
 
Amar__ said:
Mercedes already had better car than Ferrari last year, and Mclaren had better car overall I would argue too. Better on the tires, more reliable, not quite as quick over one lap in qualifiers, but Ferrari edges on Mclaren just because they have more experienced drivers, IMO. But all of them were still lot behind Red Bull.
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That's what I mean a good all rounder, consistent points collector second best car and why I said it's interesting to watch to see how all three can make a play for Red Bull that are far ahead.

Merc seem the best equipped to improve and gain a respectable car on the straights but McLaren have improved a lot quickly.
 
redshaw said:
That's what I mean a good all rounder, consistent points collector second best car and why I said it's interesting to watch to see how all three can make a play for Red Bull that are far ahead.

Merc seem the best equipped to improve and gain a respectable car on the straights but McLaren have improved a lot quickly.
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Oh, okay, I dodn't understand you first tine. Hamilton can give them that experience, but then Sainz did very well on that regard last season too, and not just in those few legendary races, he was spot on with some other decisions in qualifying and in race strategies too, both him and Leclerc think better in race than their race engineers.

Ferrari definitely needs to make more reliable car, and if they again have problem with tyre management, then they are nowhere near the first place.
 
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Chris Horney living up to his name. What I’m hearing is he’s completely fecked, this is going to be massive news.
 
not horner!? he was one of the good guys.
 
Have they said anywhere what the supposed inappropriate behaviour is?
 
hobbers said:
Not yet, which is interesting in itself.

Maybe he slapped Helmut's ass, and that's why they've been so fractious lately.
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I listened to a pod cast from the journalist at De Telegraaf that broke the news, although they didn’t mention the details, they said the allegations are extremely serious and that he has seen evidence.
 
he’s always been a monumental prick. it would be interesting to see him removed from his post and have a barometer as to how much of red bull’s success was due to him or in spite of him.
 
Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy.

Obviously hope the victim of his behaviour is ok but I will take huge pleasure in seeing the downfall of this cnut.
 
Rams said:
I listened to a pod cast from the journalist at De Telegraaf that broke the news, although they didn’t mention the details, they said the allegations are extremely serious and that he has seen evidence.
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In the Telegraaf he said he heard there is proof but hadn't seen it himself. But of course the allegations are serious as they always are in such a case.
 
If the reports are true about him being advised to resign then I would say he's fecked and Red Bull know it.
 
The hatred for Horner is always so funny to see here. Obviously misconduct needs to be investigated but you d think he did something to some of you personally. Take a breather. If there is one thing I learned in all my years of dealing with high level personnel issues is that I never judge early, and even after 99% of people will never get to see the full detail of an investigation. Having said that - the only real prick thing I can see with him is primarily the personal relationship thing between his marriages but I try not to judge personal lives unless it directly hurts the workplace.

Do you one more: every organization has people who are investigated that will never see the light of day. Only in cases like this do we hear about it because it sells and it's a highly visible position in a company that has to protect its brand. I have dealt with people who literally committed manslaughter, drug trade, sex trafficking etc who still were able to maintain their job. I wish it wouldn't just be guys like Horner that get caught out.

On another note: Max going to Merc in 25 would be a cool bit of extra spice to come from this.
 
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Redplane said:
The hatred for Horner is always so funny to see here. Obviously misconduct needs to be investigated but you d think he did something to some of you personally. Take a breather. If there is one thing I learned in all my years of dealing with high level personnel issues is that I never judge early, and even after 99% of people will never get to see the full detail of an investigation.

Do you one more: every organization has people who are investigated that will never see the light of day. Only in cases like this do we hear about it because it sells and it's a highly visible position in a company that has to protect its brand. I have dealt with people who literally committed manslaughter, drug trade, sex trafficking etc who still were able to maintain their job.
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He is a twat.
 
it’s possible that he just sent a picture of himself to her and all she saw was a massive dick.
 
This could turn into a repeat of the Greenwood thread by the looks of it. If he's done anything inappropriate he should be dumped out and never seen again in F1 without a seconds thought.

Let's wait and see the result of the investigation though.
 
Imagine being in a team with Helmut Marko and you end up being the bigger cnut. Some achievement that.
 
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Sent inappropriate and unsolicited pictures to an employee supposedly. (According to twitter)
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Poor Max.


This sort of thing is rife in F1. Half the paddock is embroiled in one affair or another, not much of a stretch to see one of them has pushed it too far.
 
11101 said:
Poor Max.


This sort of thing is rife in F1. Half the paddock is embroiled in one affair or another, not much of a stretch to see one of them has pushed it too far.
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He's probably sending tea set links to Penelope and eracing results screenshots to Kelly wondering what is wrong with people :lol:

But yeah I don't doubt this kind of shit is super prevalent in a group as tightly knit as F1. People become too comfortable.
 
I'm just rubbing my hands at a potential prospect of Max and George in the same team. Would be brutal between those two and Toto would have a tough time playing favorite bc he clearly loves George like a son almost, but is also enamored with Max and tried to get him to Merc before. For a sport with as relatively little players F1 sure has a lot of drama. :lol:
 
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Cult of personality stuff as usual.

A lot of people in the higher echelons of F1 are shit stains. From Bernie and Mosley through the upper managements of most of the teams most of the time. Likes of Vowles and Binotto are the exceptions and that's because they're engineers. And sadly the game usually chews them up.
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As a Williams fan I have a lot of respect for Vowles. Seem like a really nice genuine person.
 
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