F1 2024 Season

TwoSheds said:
You'd think he ought to keep his mouth shut really but good on him if he's got any interest in "the right thing". Somehow I doubt it though, must be one of the few people in F1 as unlikeable as Horner old Jos.
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yeah, they really have a triumvirate of cnuts at the top. they’d be far more likeable if at least two of them left.
 
dinostar77 said:
Red Bull Austria want Horner gone they own 49% of the racing team. Red Bull Thailand family want Horner to stay and own 51% of the racing team. So Austria can't get rid of him.

Whether Helmet Marko or Jos Verstappen are making a power play isn't known. Or Austria want someone they can control. Who knows. It's likely Austria or Jos or helmet are the ones leaking the info. I'm confused as to why Jos would do so as his son is in a prime position to win this year's and next year's championships. Why rock the boat?

As an aside Jos has been seen having conversations with Toto Wolff. Which is more likely him looking towards Max's future away from RB maybe 2026 onwards. Which would make sense as no team has maintained dominance once there has been a fundamental rule change. Plus RB will be making their own power trains from scratch, which is a huge ask for any team which isn't a road car manufacturer.
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Interesting!
 
dinostar77 said:
Different eras different drivers
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I think you can draw some comparisons though. Or at least, there are things you can compare. For example being a racing driver isn’t just about driving the car. They play a huge role in development and setup. It’s pretty well documented that Schumacher had a huge hand in changing that team and car around.
 
RoadTrip said:
I think you can draw some comparisons though. Or at least, there are things you can compare. For example being a racing driver isn’t just about driving the car. They play a huge role in development and setup. It’s pretty well documented that Schumacher had a huge hand in changing that team and car around.
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To a degree but there are many differences between eras.

There was unlimited testing in schmachers era and Ferrari were running custom Bridgestone tyres no one else had.

Senna/Prost era had even less reliability, less sensors. Semi automatic gear boxes etc.

Piquet / Fittipaldi era had manual gearbox, no power steering, even less reliability etc.

So and so forth the further back you go. Can you imagine max, Lewis and Fernando jumping out of the car before it hit a wall? No? That's what happens in fangio's era when they raced without any seatbelts.

As for their involvement in developing the car. Senna as far as I remember was the first who spent alot of time at the factory speaking to everyone and anyone at McLaren. However I don't know if Prost was similar, I'm lacking in that knowledge.

Schmacher brought a whole new level of fitness and professionalism in looking after himself that didn't exist in F1 before.

Hamilton and Rosberg took marginal gains to the extreme in trying to beat each other.

Drivers do play a large part in car development,but they also need to be lucky to be in the right car at the right time. The right time being that the rules work best for your team to tell detrement of others.

The F1 we watch now will be very different when the likes of piastri and antonelli are coming to the ends of their careers.
 
dinostar77 said:
To a degree but there are many differences between eras.

There was unlimited testing in schmachers era and Ferrari were running custom Bridgestone tyres no one else had.

Senna/Prost era had even less reliability, less sensors. Semi automatic gear boxes etc.

Piquet / Fittipaldi era had manual gearbox, no power steering, even less reliability etc.

So and so forth the further back you go. Can you imagine max, Lewis and Fernando jumping out of the car before it hit a wall? No? That's what happens in fangio's era when they raced without any seatbelts.

As for their involvement in developing the car. Senna as far as I remember was the first who spent alot of time at the factory speaking to everyone and anyone at McLaren. However I don't know if Prost was similar, I'm lacking in that knowledge.

Schmacher brought a whole new level of fitness and professionalism in looking after himself that didn't exist in F1 before.

Hamilton and Rosberg took marginal gains to the extreme in trying to beat each other.

Drivers do play a large part in car development,but they also need to be lucky to be in the right car at the right time. The right time being that the rules work best for your team to tell detrement of others.

The F1 we watch now will be very different when the likes of piastri and antonelli are coming to the ends of their careers.
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Oh of course. I’m not disagreeing. But, the ultimate point is that the best of the best at any given time are driving the cars on the grid. And so, there is an element of comparison that can be done simply by looking at their relative performance against their peers time.

Ultimately F1 is a team sport and so there is always the caveat of cars and competition and strategists and engineers and so on and so forth. But I don’t think all of that precludes being able to make a subjective view on comparing drivers within and in different eras. It just obviously has a big caveat. And hence why it’s so subjective as we each all weigh all the different elements differently.
 
dinostar77 said:
Red Bull Austria want Horner gone they own 49% of the racing team. Red Bull Thailand family want Horner to stay and own 51% of the racing team. So Austria can't get rid of him.

Whether Helmet Marko or Jos Verstappen are making a power play isn't known. Or Austria want someone they can control. Who knows. It's likely Austria or Jos or helmet are the ones leaking the info. I'm confused as to why Jos would do so as his son is in a prime position to win this year's and next year's championships. Why rock the boat?

As an aside Jos has been seen having conversations with Toto Wolff. Which is more likely him looking towards Max's future away from RB maybe 2026 onwards. Which would make sense as no team has maintained dominance once there has been a fundamental rule change. Plus RB will be making their own power trains from scratch, which is a huge ask for any team which isn't a road car manufacturer.
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What exactly is daddy Jos role in this.
Is he Max manager or just his daddy.
Seems like he is always there with Max who by now is plenty capable of dealing with RB on his own.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
We not shock me if he was the leak
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Good point.
While I am not a big fan of Horner, he is outstanding at his job.
But every time I see Jos Verstappen, he reminds me of the Grim Reaper. Just don't trust him.
 
RoadTrip said:
Oh of course. I’m not disagreeing. But, the ultimate point is that the best of the best at any given time are driving the cars on the grid. And so, there is an element of comparison that can be done simply by looking at their relative performance against their peers time.

Ultimately F1 is a team sport and so there is always the caveat of cars and competition and strategists and engineers and so on and so forth. But I don’t think all of that precludes being able to make a subjective view on comparing drivers within and in different eras. It just obviously has a big caveat. And hence why it’s so subjective as we each all weigh all the different elements differently.
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I think one thing it's important to distinguish is how much safer it is now if you want to drive like a loony bin so just judging on number of titles against older drivers would be foolish. Even in the 90s it was a different level of danger compared to before so Schumacher onwards should be judged differently to e.g. Fangio, Senna, Prost, Stewart etc.
 
What is the Horner situation? What's he alleged to have done and there is some leaked emails or something??
 
Buster15 said:
What exactly is daddy Jos role in this.
Is he Max manager or just his daddy.
Seems like he is always there with Max who by now is plenty capable of dealing with RB on his own.
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Jos is just a cnut really and it's well documented he doesn't like Horner. With all the things Jos has done he's the last person who should say anything about this. He's the sort of man who punches his family, gets into fights all the time and even drove into his ex at one point FFS.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Jos is just a cnut really and it's well documented he doesn't like Horner. With all the things Jos has done he's the last person who should say anything about this. He's the sort of man who punches his family, gets into fights all the time and even drove into his ex at one point FFS.
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Can't disagree.
 
Never thought I would be defending Horner but Jos’s comments are genuinely unreal given his history. Shit driver, shit person.
 
altodevil said:
Third, based on the above it's clear that Hamilton/Alonso/Verstappen could be argued as the best we've ever seen. Vettel possibly the most reliable in a top top car.
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There are zero people in the world arguing Alonso is the GOAT. Or Vettel. Wtf?
 
F-Red said:
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Assuming this is even true ofc: but if it is - it would support the rumors that its the Austrian branch of RB who wants to get rid of him while the present day majority stake (Thai?) - does not. Having said that, I hope whoever did the investigation and came to their findings was as impartial as possible.
 
What a mess for RB.

Jos seems like a slimy bastard, I bet he's somehow involved with the leaks.
 
Alpine has announced a series of organisational changes across its technical teams following the resignation of Technical Director Matt Harman and Head of Aerodynamics Dirk de Beer.
 
Jos Verstappen wont be attending Saudi GP. Threatened to take Max to mercedes if horner isnt fired. Looks like max aint happy with dad.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, brace yourselves for an epic night of Formula 1 heavyweight boxing!

In the red corner, weighing in at something and fighting out of Austria and the Netherlands, the undisputed unusual pairing of them all, Jos, Toto and the Austrian contingent of Red Bull!

And in the blue corner, weighing in at some other random weight and fighting out of England, Thailand and Dubai, the global trifecta, Mohammed, Christian and the Thai contingent of Red Bull.

Let's get ready to ruuuuuuuumble!
 
This is the most f1 season I've seen in a while all this off the track drama nonsense being more entertaining then the sport itself. Andretti, Lewis/Ferrari, Horner and now this. Drive to Survive next year is gonna be all this and no races.
 
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