F1 2024 Season

Russell said after the race they had to drop back about 4 tenths a lap during the race early on so maybe some optimism they can better elsewhere and fix the issue.

Sainz seemed to have a strong end of last season and still driving very well.
 
Redplane said:
:lol: :lol:

Everybody is a homer in sports. History will truly cement legacy for Lewis and Max alike. In the words of Toto: Formula 1 is a meritocracy.
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There is a reason nobody thunks Lewis is the greatest ever despite having all the records.
 
hobbers said:
Bottas had almost identical numbers of wins and podiums in his first 2.5 seasons at Mercedes as Perez at Red Bull. But some will try and tell you he was a much more competitive team mate and somehow not a constant free win for Lewis.
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Amar__ said:
You mean unlike seasons before when Hamilton was winning when competition was much better:
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The obvious difference being that Ferrari were capable of beating the Mercedes in those two seasons after Rosberg retired and had a multiple time world champion driving it. Max has nothing like that kind of competition right now in terms of competitor cars. In fact, I’d be very confident in most of the top drivers being able to win a title in that car last season.

He’s clearly incredible, so it’s not like I’m saying he doesn’t deserve to be winning titles, but until he manages to fight on a fairly even playing field and come out on top (fairly), it will be used as a stick to beat him with.
 
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Amar__ said:
You mean unlike seasons before when Hamilton was winning when competition was much better:
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lets see hamilton had championship battles for the title with Alonso, Rosberg, Vettel and Max.

Max had had one champioship battle with hamilton in 2021 and thats it.
 
Boring as anything, I love racing but I hate this joke of a series. Is there anything else worth watching instead? I have seen some indycar and formula e which I enjoyed but is now behind a paywall
 
I think Max is incredibly good, and even after his first win in Torro Rosso if I bet I'd have chucked some money on him to be world champion one day

However the car is that good, I think to be truly considered one of the greats, for me I want to see a driver of equal capability (a younger Lewis or younger Alonso for example) in the 2nd RB - if he then wins the title you can say that. Perez is too far off to challenge him.

What would happen if he had someone fighting him every race? The only time we've properly seen this was the season of his first championship, with Lewis
 
dinostar77 said:
lets see hamilton had championship battles for the title with Alonso, Rosberg, Vettel and Max.

Max had had one champioship battle with hamilton in 2021 and thats it.
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And lost to Rosberg, lost the title to Kimi when he tied with Alonso and lost to Max.
 
:lol: :lol: at the Ricciardo and Yuki incident after the chequered flag. Yuki really has such a short fuse.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
100% disagree, OK Max won with ease today, but the racing down the grid was good, there was plenty of action and overtakes.
Fixate on Max and yes it boring, there is so much more than Max.
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Racing down the grid was ok at best and when the same guy wins for months on end it's not ideal. With reliability and the car advantage (and ability advantage over his team mate) this is very dull.

I've stopped watching F1 in previous shit era's of domination (ferrari, red bull and Merc) and I probably will this year too.
 
sepulturite said:
:lol: :lol: at the Ricciardo and Yuki incident after the chequered flag. Yuki really has such a short fuse.
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Yeah he sort of threw away sympathy people rightly had for him there. Doing his best to make sure he will never be in the main team (not that he ever will be anyway).
 
pacifictheme said:
Yeah he sort of threw away sympathy people rightly had for him there. Doing his best to make sure he will never be in the main team (not that he ever will be anyway).
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Yeh exactly, any sliver of chance he had is gone now for sure.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I did not see that when it happen, you can understand Yuki's frustration, having to let Ricciardo pass, but FFS that was a stupid move.
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Yep completely understand the frustration, but wait till you get back to the pits and bring it up in the debrief. It's the kind of thing a rookie would do, but this is his 4th season. Incredibly stupid.
 
Redplane said:
:lol: :lol:

Everybody is a homer in sports. History will truly cement legacy for Lewis and Max alike. In the words of Toto: Formula 1 is a meritocracy.
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It really is not. Maybe for two-three teams. The rest, who need money, have the Strolls, Mazepins, Zhous, Latifis, etc. Unless you think they actually deserved to be there on merit.
 
Jos Verstappen's quotes about Horner are quite spicy and basically confirm multiple things that were already close to that anyway: the power struggle is indeed real, and Jos is almost guaranteed to be the one to leak a bunch of Horner stuff to the Dutch journo. Add to that that Toto and Jos were seen chatting and Toto apparently saying never say never or something to a question whether Max would drive for Merc after and the spice is officially off the charts :lol:

I swear F1 world just loves creating drama.
 
dinostar77 said:
lets see hamilton had championship battles for the title with Alonso, Rosberg, Vettel and Max.

Max had had one champioship battle with hamilton in 2021 and thats it.
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Most of Hamilton's titles were easy win, apart from one or two in which he fought with Kimi, Max(which further proofs how good Max is) and Rosberg(again, not exactly doing him favour). I don't remember him winning against Alonso, or am I missing something?

I don't see how losing the championships you mentioned is the argument for Hamilton here? I am sure Max lost few already.

Max is young, he will have his battles, he started his career by winning the championship against one of greatest drivers of all times in arguable weaker car, when he is 35 or 38 he will probably have won tightwr championships too.
 
It's actually emabrassing to look at points standings 2010-2021 and undermine Verstappen success while at the same time praising Hamilton.

I don't mind people praising Hamilton, he's won his titles fairly, it's not his fault he's had one of most dominant cars ever. But to do it while saying stuff like Verstappen titles will not earn him legacy is mind boggling, it simply doesn't go one without the other.
 
Amar__ said:
Most of Hamilton's titles were easy win, apart from one or two in which he fought with Kimi, Max(which further proofs how good Max is) and Rosberg(again, not exactly doing him favour). I don't remember him winning against Alonso, or am I missing something?

I don't see how losing the championships you mentioned is the argument for Hamilton here? I am sure Max lost few already.

Max is young, he will have his battles, he started his career by winning the championship against one of greatest drivers of all times in arguable weaker car, when he is 35 or 38 he will probably have won tightwr championships too.
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The title at McLaren…?

Anyway, I hate this debate. You don’t need to criticise the other driver to praise the other one. Both are generational talents in my book, and the one you think is better is generally the one you prefer.
 
RoadTrip said:
The title at McLaren…?

Anyway, I hate this debate. You don’t need to criticise the other driver to praise the other one. Both are generational talents in my book, and the one you think is better is generally the one you prefer.
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They both lost it against Kimi?

I agree with the second part, for me Hamilton is still easily the better driver since he's done it over longer period though.
 
Amar__ said:
They both lost it against Kimi?

I agree with the second part, for me Hamilton is still easily the better driver since he's done it over longer period though.
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I’m talking about 2008 sorry got confused. But in 2007 as a rookie to tie with Alonso who is still widely regarded as one of the best on the grid is some achievement.

I’d agree on your second point. Being the best isn’t just about career length but it’s the consistency of success. Even if we say both these guys have had it easy with car and competition, there’s still something to be said about a continued burning desire and hunger to do it over and over again.

Max is a generational talent. Thats a fact. Regardless of whether you think his first title was handed to him or not. Where he lists in the GOAT pecking order is to be seen though.
 
Ajr said:
Boring as anything, I love racing but I hate this joke of a series. Is there anything else worth watching instead? I have seen some indycar and formula e which I enjoyed but is now behind a paywall
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The NASCAR version of DTS on netflix is well worth watching. Knowing nothing of NASCAR but love car racing, I found it really interesting, even the playoff format was rather clever. No matter how it plays out, they always go into the final race of the season with one of three drivers having the chance to be crowned champion.

A recent regular season race at Daytona I think ended with a 3 car photo finish as they all crossed the line on the last lap with their front bumpers almost in line with with each other.

Got to hand it to the Americans, they know how to make sport interesting to watch.
 
RoadTrip said:
The title at McLaren…?

Anyway, I hate this debate. You don’t need to criticise the other driver to praise the other one. Both are generational talents in my book, and the one you think is better is generally the one you prefer.
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It's a pointless playground debate and I also don't like it. Every generation is different. The rules are different.
 
RoadTrip said:
But in 2007 as a rookie to tie with Alonso who is still widely regarded as one of the best on the grid is some achievement.
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Yes, that was still one of his most impressive seasons for me, and it was quite fun F1 back then.
 
First race of the season and were back to the goat discussion. Did anybody actually watch the full race? Was it any good?
 
First of all, the GOAT stuff needs to be stopped. It's a horrible moniker.

Second, there is never going to be an undisputed best driver ever. This isn't a spec series, there's no real direct comparison available. You have to go by gut feeling and large sample sizes. Teammate stuff doesn't work because garages quite often work together on strategy, and get new parts at different times. You've also got bias within teams, which was obvious in 2007.

Third, based on the above it's clear that Hamilton/Alonso/Verstappen could be argued as the best we've ever seen. Vettel possibly the most reliable in a top top car.
 
Abizzz said:
First race of the season and were back to the goat discussion. Did anybody actually watch the full race? Was it any good?
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I did, and it was pretty dull. I always expected Max to glide off into the distance despite some thinking it would be closer. What disappointed me though in particular was how unexciting it was between the other teams and midfield.
 
You'd think he ought to keep his mouth shut really but good on him if he's got any interest in "the right thing". Somehow I doubt it though, must be one of the few people in F1 as unlikeable as Horner old Jos.
 
RoadTrip said:
Whats the history to this beef? I never realised this was a thing.
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Red Bull Austria want Horner gone they own 49% of the racing team. Red Bull Thailand family want Horner to stay and own 51% of the racing team. So Austria can't get rid of him.

Whether Helmet Marko or Jos Verstappen are making a power play isn't known. Or Austria want someone they can control. Who knows. It's likely Austria or Jos or helmet are the ones leaking the info. I'm confused as to why Jos would do so as his son is in a prime position to win this year's and next year's championships. Why rock the boat?

As an aside Jos has been seen having conversations with Toto Wolff. Which is more likely him looking towards Max's future away from RB maybe 2026 onwards. Which would make sense as no team has maintained dominance once there has been a fundamental rule change. Plus RB will be making their own power trains from scratch, which is a huge ask for any team which isn't a road car manufacturer.
 
RoadTrip said:
I did, and it was pretty dull. I always expected Max to glide off into the distance despite some thinking it would be closer. What disappointed me though in particular was how unexciting it was between the other teams and midfield.
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Cheers, sounds like the recap I watched didn't skip that much then.
 
altodevil said:
First of all, the GOAT stuff needs to be stopped. It's a horrible moniker.

Second, there is never going to be an undisputed best driver ever. This isn't a spec series, there's no real direct comparison available. You have to go by gut feeling and large sample sizes. Teammate stuff doesn't work because garages quite often work together on strategy, and get new parts at different times. You've also got bias within teams, which was obvious in 2007.

Third, based on the above it's clear that Hamilton/Alonso/Verstappen could be argued as the best we've ever seen. Vettel possibly the most reliable in a top top car.
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Schumacher not?
 
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