This has to be Technical Directive related. No-one for one circuit, has that much of drop off.
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I have the same feeling but you never know
Max not being in Q3 will I think make for an angry Max in the race and we have seen the angry Max before in races and it does not end well.
He really is an idiotCrofty going on a lovely monologue about how RB are choking because it's the race they can win the championship
What an imbecile.
Bonkers that. Bonkers.
Why is this track particularly bad for Red Bull? It’s not THAT unique of a circuit is it?
Its not, Perez won last season.
It has slow corners and 90 degree corners. The RB is best at med/high speed corners. However the front end isnt biting in, that is so wierd for what has been a sensational race car this season.
It must be TD related. There were rumours the floor needed to be changed as did the front wing, to be compliant. We will know for sure in Suzuka. That is not normal for a Championship winning car. Even at Mercedes peak, there were a few tracks they were weak at, they still made the top six.
Damn all predictions going down the drain.
One TD change wouldn’t stop a team being so far ahead then be out qualified by their B team. It will be a mixture of things including setup and tyres. The race pace will be interesting. Then we will see at other races but they will fix it by then if it is.
I had Max to win...
Not able to watch as out but shocked he didn't even get out of Q2 what happened?
Not able to watch as out but shocked he didn't even get out of Q2 what happened?
Hope so as I picked him...
Sain
Russell
Lando
Top 3
Russell
Lando
Top 3
Cracking lap from Russell
Max and Lewis washed.
Should both retire.
Should both retire.
wow how close were the top 3?
Martin Brundle said it is aerodynamics related. Something has fundamentally changed on the car.
Top 10 Result
1. Carlos Sainz, Ferrari
2. George Russell, Mercedes
3. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
4. Lando Norris, McLaren
5. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
6. Kevin Magnussen, Haas
7. Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin
8. Esteban Ocon, Alpine
9. Nico Hulkenberg, Haas
10. Liam Lawson, AlphaTauri
1. Carlos Sainz, Ferrari
2. George Russell, Mercedes
3. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
4. Lando Norris, McLaren
5. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
6. Kevin Magnussen, Haas
7. Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin
8. Esteban Ocon, Alpine
9. Nico Hulkenberg, Haas
10. Liam Lawson, AlphaTauri
So the streak ends tomorrow then
Mercedes have an extra set of medium, mores than the other teams, according to Russell, that could be the advantage needed for a podium even a win ?
Well at least I got pole right. But my race prediction is in tatters with Verstappen, Perez, Piastri and Stroll.
Well, we haven't seen RB like this for quite some time. Zero chance that Max gets anywhere near P1, so that's the streak gone. Only just got that record in last week. Should make for a really interesting race though.
I wouldnt rule it out. It might be a different story when the tyres get up to race temp and bite into the surface. Also RB normally set the car up for race trim not qually trim.
weren’t Merc traditionally awful at Singapore as well?
Not at all , 2014-18 4 wins out of 5
Nah, this is way different. They're nowhere near it, and this isn't the type of track where he can glide through the field. By the time he even gets close to the Ferrari's in terms of grid position (if he even does) they'll be way out front.
Also, you have the penalty situation. I'd be amazed if he isn't penalised.
Lewis Hamilton admitted that he had made the wrong set-up choices overnight heading into today's qualifying session for the Singapore Grand Prix at Marina Bay Street Circuit.
Mercedes has been looking strong all weekend, and Hamilton was fifth fastest ahead of team mate George Russell in first practice on Friday.
But as Russell made further progress in the ensuing session, Hamilton struggled to keep up: he was fifth again in FP2 before dropping to sixth in Saturday's final session.
While Russell continued to pressure Carlos Sainz for the top spot in qualifying, Hamilton was only eighth in Q2. He was last to run in the final round, but while Russell came within 0.072s of pole, Hamilton was half a second behind in P5.
“It is the hardest car that I’ve ever driven to get right,” Hamilton told the media after the end of the session, adding that he had "“made a set-up change last night and it didn’t work".
"The car was good yesterday on the long run but I changed the car overnight and now I don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow with the car," he admitted.
"The car was feeling incredible yesterday and we had hoped that with some tweaks, we'd be able to challenge the Ferraris. We made some pretty big changes overnight, and it just came away from me again. We didn't have the speed today.
"It's obviously disappointing, especially because we clearly had a great package here and George was able to get on the front row."
"Lewis wasn't as happy with the car through the sessions," explained Mercedes' trackside engineering director Andrew Shovlin, who said that it meant Hamilton had been "struggling to get the tyres to switch on"
"Some of that was when the outlaps were compromised with traffic, but even on the final run he didn't feel that the grip was there," Shovlin added.
Although Hamilton was disappointed not to be higher up the grid, he was delighted to see Russell split the Ferraris to start on the front row tomorrow alongside Sainz.
“I’m really happy for George,” Hamilton insisted. “I think he did a mega job. He’s just been connected with the car all weekend.
Hamilton regretting Singapore overnight set-up choice (f1i.com)
Mercedes has been looking strong all weekend, and Hamilton was fifth fastest ahead of team mate George Russell in first practice on Friday.
But as Russell made further progress in the ensuing session, Hamilton struggled to keep up: he was fifth again in FP2 before dropping to sixth in Saturday's final session.
While Russell continued to pressure Carlos Sainz for the top spot in qualifying, Hamilton was only eighth in Q2. He was last to run in the final round, but while Russell came within 0.072s of pole, Hamilton was half a second behind in P5.
“It is the hardest car that I’ve ever driven to get right,” Hamilton told the media after the end of the session, adding that he had "“made a set-up change last night and it didn’t work".
"The car was good yesterday on the long run but I changed the car overnight and now I don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow with the car," he admitted.
"The car was feeling incredible yesterday and we had hoped that with some tweaks, we'd be able to challenge the Ferraris. We made some pretty big changes overnight, and it just came away from me again. We didn't have the speed today.
"It's obviously disappointing, especially because we clearly had a great package here and George was able to get on the front row."
"Lewis wasn't as happy with the car through the sessions," explained Mercedes' trackside engineering director Andrew Shovlin, who said that it meant Hamilton had been "struggling to get the tyres to switch on"
"Some of that was when the outlaps were compromised with traffic, but even on the final run he didn't feel that the grip was there," Shovlin added.
Although Hamilton was disappointed not to be higher up the grid, he was delighted to see Russell split the Ferraris to start on the front row tomorrow alongside Sainz.
“I’m really happy for George,” Hamilton insisted. “I think he did a mega job. He’s just been connected with the car all weekend.
Hamilton regretting Singapore overnight set-up choice (f1i.com)
That was fun! Maybe even expecting a Russel win tomorrow, Ferrari won't be this quick in race, I think that's obvious.
Lawson is once again very impressive.
Their set-up seems all wrong, I don't think I've seen their car all over the place in last two years in total as today over one lap. They looked like they were driving Ferrari.
Lawson is once again very impressive.
Their set-up seems all wrong, I don't think I've seen their car all over the place in last two years in total as today over one lap. They looked like they were driving Ferrari.
Stewards on Max impeding Tsunoda incident.
Who can explain to me why Haas managed to do so well suddenly?
Kevin was of course asked that in the post quali interview. He said it was really easy to get the tyres in the window, and the balance was spot on.
So no position penalty? Why does all that guff have to be so complicated
Sounds like they operated off precedent in other similar incidents before. If that's true, I m okay with it. All I want is for FIA to be consistent.
Well they aren’t going to write “contrary to other incidents, we…”
I’m not that bothered either way. But Tsunoda likely would have gotten to Q3 without that you might have thought.
"Any chance the new technical directive has influenced you going from 1st in every single race to immediately 11th?"
"Nah not at all"
"Nah not at all"
Looks like they don't know how to set up the car to compensate for the change in technical directive.
Yeah this is a very interesting read that seems to support it is very track specific and he ties it back to the RBs having to lift thru Eau Rouge because of the same: https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-why-red-bulls-f1-car-is-suddenly-undriveable/
Its basically saying that cars with a higher ride height that never fully got a handle on porpoising actually have a benefit at this track.
Makes you wonder though if the car is going to be equally vulnerable on the bumps of Austin, or perhaps also Vegas (which i doubt will have a proper smooth surface).
