Not surprising really and probably good in a way. Many people I talk to here started watching because of Netflix and have zero knowledge of F1 before that. Sport shouldn't change just to appease entertainment seekers who at some point will move on anyway. Americans in general have a very short attention span for things that arent new. It's the reason too why Europeans always seem confused how often our restaurants and bars turn over to name another example.
F1 2023 Season
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Seeing those top speeds, while Red Bulls is incredible, it seems that everyone else set up their cars too much for downforce and really slow top speed. 310 is nothing on Spa with two big straights.
Pretty sure I saw Williams or Alpine near 340 too?
Pretty sure I saw Williams or Alpine near 340 too?
Yeah it doesn't tell the whole story. A lot of the other teams suffer from far worse tyre deg so they have to compromise more than RB does. Their raw speed advantage isn't normally that large and teams like Williams have indeed gone faster on the straight.
I can't believe there's still 10 races to go 
it feels like watching United under Ralf. Just waiting for the season to end.
Could this potential be the worst season ever out of any sport? It's gotta be a contender.
it feels like watching United under Ralf. Just waiting for the season to end.Could this potential be the worst season ever out of any sport? It's gotta be a contender.
True. I think it feels worse because the domination is so overwhelming. Not since 2004 has it been like this, and by the end of it I suspect this will be the single most dominant season in history.
If you take Max out of the equation its a greatly competitive season. People are so focused on no 1 they fail to pay attention to the rest. The one good message DtS tried to send. Was it boring when the Patriots or the Bulls won just about everything? Tiger Woods? Michael Phelps? Tyson or Ali? Etc. Domination exists in every sport, and in a way we probably won't fully appreciate it until its all well and done.I can't believe there's still 10 races to go
Could this potential be the worst season ever out of any sport? It's gotta be a contender.
It'll be on Youtu.. TikTok I expect!
Did they address it or pretend it didn't exist afterwards? I went back to the cricket in advance of the start.
Fantastic race weekend at the track. Didn't rain half as much as originally forecasted.
I recommend Gold 3/Eau Rouge grandstand to anyone who is considering attending.
Really well run event overall. Not much queues or anything. Much better run than the likes of Monza which is a logistical nightmare.
Austria and Belgium are my two favorite European GPs to attend for sure.
I recommend Gold 3/Eau Rouge grandstand to anyone who is considering attending.
Really well run event overall. Not much queues or anything. Much better run than the likes of Monza which is a logistical nightmare.
Austria and Belgium are my two favorite European GPs to attend for sure.
Ah yes, great counter argument
Yeah I've noticed the F1 hype in the US has really slowed down over the last year.
Suppose it's worse when you support another team/driver/athlete, less so when you're more of a neutral. I know the battle for Europa League isn't doing much for me when City walks the league while United are far off in third. What I will give to DTS and social media is that you can relate to a lot more drivers now. They're like characters or memes in their own these days. Can't say I knew what kind of a sense of humor Minardi and Toyata drivers had in early 2000´s, what sort of characters they were etc. I know proper old school fans may be annoyed by it but it's probably one of the reasons I still tune into every race and manage to find something interesting in it.
The US tv audience for the Miami GP alone was down 650k compared to last year so it must be more than that if it's 20% in total.
That GP is a bit of an anomoly though as it had the biggest US audience ever for a live F1 broadcast in 2022, which is understandable since there was so much hype around it. This year when it wasn't the next new shiny thing it's not that surprising that the figures dropped, although there were actually more people in attendance this year. The same thing will surely happen with Vegas as well.
So let me try then. Tiger Woods had the same equipment than other players. At his peak dominance, he did not win every tournament he started. Max‘s car is so superior that it is like having a driver that goes 450 yards.Ah yes, great counter argument
Well winning is all that matters. Who gives a shit who wins the "battle" (because everything is a heroic struggle these days) for 2nd, or 5th, or 12th? Certainly not me.
And as others have said - having better machinery, and winning, isn't the same as any of your other examples.
This is it exactly, if Max was winning every race after a wheel to wheel racing then that would not be so bad, it would be exciting, he even wins the sprint races with ease.
Ah yes, great counter argument
Hardly worth a counter tbh. I will just give you a simple answer from the bookies odds perspective just to explain how this is going. Patriots & bulls played team sports where they lost a large number of individual games while winning championships. On an individual game basis patriots were not a huge favourite in every game they played for example. Max started the race in 6th today and he was 1.25 as per the bookies to win the race. This is not his or RB at fault, they are doing a great job but for most viewers this is pretty difficult to watch.
For those of us who are annoyed with drivers not even trying to defend against Max
Christ.
I think Max is utterly fantastic, and is on another level to what he was even in 2021, I appreciate his talent. I just don't care who finishes 2nd though - I find it boring. As others have said as well, the examples you gave were operating on even playing fields. Max has the best car by far. I get that the car building is part of the sport, but I don't really care about the constructors championship. At the moment the sport just isn't really for me
Red Bull not even near the top speeds shown. Top speed alone means nothing in F1.
It's about a balance between everything
Yes definitely. I was absolutely livid at what happened in 2021 when he was robbed by a foolish person who quite rightly was sacked for it. So I remain positive that he will get his 8th.
I think the point is Hamilton ran a low DF setup and was still nowhere near an RB. They have such an advantage they can crank wing on, still be fast in the traps and also have a great setup for S2 at Spa.
They aren’t going to be reeled in at this point, another 3 seasons of it.
Good on Max for keep on winning, but the sports is almost done for a semi-casual viewer. Even live coverage now focuses more time on mid-table. Its not just about dominance on winning championship alone, the car is so good that its on another planet. TBH, havent watched a live race in last few seasons and only catch highlights or final standings.
Leclerc is on the podium. At least I can sleep well ahaha.
Max is again and again.
Max is again and again.
To be fair, he's responding to the ridiculously hyperbolic comment about how this is a contender for the worst season of any sport. Obviously the question is daft, but that dude did ask, so...
Bit embarrassing this
To fuel the Sainz rumours, Estrella will be ending their sponsorship at Ferrari at the end of this season. Estrella have tended to move teams when Sainz moves teams.
Lets hope so. I think he would walk away from the sport after no8. Like he would have done at the end of 2021.
Several people to respond to so I'll just take yours as one who is pointing out that they had same equipment etc. Dominance in almost every sport has been rife with potential controversy, whether it's assembling the largest group of stars in a team beyond anyone's grasp (Patriots, Bulls, Real, Man City, etc), doping and steroids (which was very common in the 90s and before...hi track and field, cycling, boxing etc), nutritional tricks, or tech gimmicks (i.e. swimsuits to improve wake, custom developed golf clubs, etc). Formula 1 is no strange to that over the decades of course. To say any of the other sports were simply down to the athletes alone having the same tools, whether material or support personnel wise, is terribly naive.
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Surely Ferrari is the Man United of F1. Big name, big budget and small brains.
I don't think it's a given that drivers decline at that age. Alonso has been brilliant this season.
Thought Sainz was in the wrong. There was plenty of space untill Sainz locked up under braking and then suddenly shut the door as if Piastri wasn't there. Piastri had nowhere to go after that.
Yeah, I was surprised there wasn't a penalty for Sainz. Then again, the way Ferrari made him drive a damaged car for more than half of the race felt like a punishment in itself.
My word.
Sainz has to turn at some point. Poor racing craft and lack of experience from Piastri for me, you don't go sticking your nose in there.
Which makes it a racing incident I guess but I don't like the way Sainz has been moaning about it completely shifting the blame on Piastri.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...rcedes-bouncing-problems-return-at-belgian-gp
Mercedes were having to lift on the straights. Bloody porposing.
Mercedes were having to lift on the straights. Bloody porposing.
I like him more and more with each race. I hope he finally gets a podium after the break. He has been rather unlucky.