Good/Very good. Top quarter, but as we have seen time and time again, you don't need two of those drivers in the same team. I think Lando is young enough and competitive enough not to settle for 2nd driver status. Which will work against him.
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I like Lando, think he is a decent driver, agreed he wont want to play second fiddle.
He would do better at one of the top 3.
He would do better at one of the top 3.
Sorry, didn’t realise his mum was on redcafe.
Be interesting to see who buys the team. Andretti would be one of the favourites. However as F1 prefers manufacturers to independent teams maybe Honda or Porsche?
Because I think your post is nonsense, you hide behind a silly insult? ok
at least back up your nonsense with reason?I suppose it's hard to rate everybody else wearing orange tinted glasses with super max pumping out
Not seen much of testing to be honest.
But what I have seen, Red Bull and Ferrari are fast, Mercedes is better than last season, with still some rough edges to iron out.
Seen hardly any bouncing around.
Good to see other teams have also improved, could we see a team out of the Top 3 winning races ?
But what I have seen, Red Bull and Ferrari are fast, Mercedes is better than last season, with still some rough edges to iron out.
Seen hardly any bouncing around.
Good to see other teams have also improved, could we see a team out of the Top 3 winning races ?
Landos first season without Carlos was insanely good. 4 podiums, nearly a race win and coming 6th in the championship ahead of Leclerc.
Last year was more of a struggle, but in truth the Mclaren just wasn't that quick.
He still ended up 7th and best of the rest by miles. Nearly triple the points his team mate managed.
Call me his mum all you want - I'm a Mclaren fan and it's frankly a silly opinion. He can't have done much better in those 2 seasons.
I am also a McLaren fan and an even bigger Lando Norris fan and the young man deserves a car with which to make a rea challenge.
Me too and agree.
I think it'll go to someone like Andretti more than a manufacturer. The overheads alone might scare some manufacturer for a midfield team, and Honda/Porsche's ambition will be to go for a top team. I think Honda is likely to go to McLaren. I also cannot see the team moving to the UK either given the knowledge base in Faenza and the value of that expertise.
I said from that post last year that I believe Red Bull are looking to exit F1 entirely (both main and sister teams) as the passing of Mateschitz will herald some changes in approach there, and F1 team values have never been higher. The Ford tie up is a good indication of a potential switch longer term for the main team where they take over the operation and make it a full works team.
I thought mateschitz will/estate ensured "RedBull" could continue to operate in f1 for a while yet. Happy to be corrected if anyone knows thats not correct.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-bull-finalises-mateschitz-succession-plan/10394859/
Gonna call it now for next sunday. Max will be on pole with ferrari 0.5 behind and mercedes 0.7-0.9 behind. Alonso AM will split the mercedes pair.
I mean that's just a blanket statement to reassure everyone's future as they put a new management structure in place.
Thinking logically at this there's a cross roads that's coming up for all private owners of F1 teams where they could be sold to interested car manufacturers, we've seen some of that activity already with Audi and Sauber. The value of an F1 team will be no higher than where it'll be between now and 2026, so it would be a realistic time to sell. The Red Bull F1 project has been driven primarily by Helmut Marko, who at 79 isn't going to be around for a long time.
The first steps was that partnership discussion with Porsche, if Red Bull weren't even interested at selling the team then they wouldn't have entertained the discussion. The difference as to why the Ford discussions gathered pace was that they had no interest in putting any of their management team into Red Bull Racing unlike Porsche. Combine this with F1 aiming to move to net zero by 2030, increased growth and awareness in America, and a team that they have intimate understanding of after selling it initially to Red Bull back in 2005, it makes absolute sense for Ford to buy the operation. Red Bull then move to become a sponsor of the team, and they manage to exit and focus on what they specialise at; marketing.
This isn't just a Red Bull only thing at the moment, I expect a Williams partnership/sale to happen soon as Dorilton look to exit.
Just watched the new DTS and it was probably the worst season so far imo, very little in depth stuff and what felt like a lot of filler with in-car footage from races with about 300 instances of various drivers being told to push. I did like the part about Yuki and Gasly's relationship though, and I guess Hamilton's quite brave choice of clothing is always fun to see as well.
Watched the first episode it was enough, scripted and just contrived drivel. It's just not fun.
Both Alonso and Lobato (the number 1 spanish F1 journalist and his fanatic) look really optimistic. Aston fighting up there with the top 3. There is a lot of buzz around AM.
Yea it was the same all the way through, it's almost impressive how little substance they managed to get out of it considering the type of access they have.
To me last season from a drama perspective was pretty normal. When you compare it to the year of the controversy with Max's win, Grosjean's accident etc, last season was pretty tame so don't really think they had much to work with. Also I feel the more you get into F1 and the deeper down the rabbit hole you go the less appealing something like dts is as you'd probably be aware of any drama etc during the season.
I agree with that, I just think they could do more with the access they get. Maybe the drivers and teams aren't all that giddy about having even more cameras shoved in their faces all the time but for example when they set up an entire room to do those one-on-one interviews and all they get from an entire season is basically 4 sentences worth of interesting material you have to wonder if they're even bothered.
I'm now a complete expert in how to hold up an access card to the gates that lets people in to the paddock though so I guess those 10 episodes weren't a complete loss.
Do they actually have that much access?
Most of the new footage from last season I thought was filmed at a really small number of Grand Prix.
Not looking very good in terms of competition, it's seems like the usual story where the team that nailed the new regs run away with it until the next big rewrite.
They get to tag along with team bosses and drivers to their homes, offices, factories, follow them into the team kitchen before breakfast and set up cameras in their cars etc so I'd say they have a lot more access than most. Either way I think they have enough to ask people some interesting questions and maybe drag some info out of someone that isn't the same generic stuff that anyone in the paddock with a smart phone could get hold of.
Aston Martin have refused to rule out the possibility of Sebastian Vettel making a shock comeback at the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.
Team principal Mike Krack admitted he had spoken to the four-time champion since Aston Martin's Lance Stroll was forced to miss pre-season testing.
But he refused to say whether Vettel, who retired at the end of last season, had expressed an interest in being a stand-in.
Stroll has suffered a wrist injury.
Krack said "Plan A" was for Stroll to recover in time for next weekend's race.
He added: "Plan B we will speak about next week."
Krack said: "I have had a couple of phone calls with Sebastian but this has been also [the case] last year and will continue in the future."
Asked whether Vettel had said he was prepared to come back in the event Aston Martin needed a driver to substitute for Stroll, Krack said: "I will not tell you."
"First our plan is to have Lance in the car and then we continue to see," he said, adding: "You can ask me five times, we have not made a final decision."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/64772999
Alonso vs Vettel.. That will be fun to watch.
If you’re their reserve driver you’ve gotta be pissed off. I personally don't see this happening. I doubt Vettel would be fit enough.
Team principal Mike Krack admitted he had spoken to the four-time champion since Aston Martin's Lance Stroll was forced to miss pre-season testing.
But he refused to say whether Vettel, who retired at the end of last season, had expressed an interest in being a stand-in.
Stroll has suffered a wrist injury.
Krack said "Plan A" was for Stroll to recover in time for next weekend's race.
He added: "Plan B we will speak about next week."
Krack said: "I have had a couple of phone calls with Sebastian but this has been also [the case] last year and will continue in the future."
Asked whether Vettel had said he was prepared to come back in the event Aston Martin needed a driver to substitute for Stroll, Krack said: "I will not tell you."
"First our plan is to have Lance in the car and then we continue to see," he said, adding: "You can ask me five times, we have not made a final decision."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/64772999
Alonso vs Vettel.. That will be fun to watch.
If you’re their reserve driver you’ve gotta be pissed off. I personally don't see this happening. I doubt Vettel would be fit enough.
Well yes and no, I believe their most experienced reserve driver Stoffel Vandoorne (Formula E champion) is unavailable due to Formula E stuff so they only have the relatively inexperienced Drugovich to fall back on. He hasn't really impressed so far in my opinion so I can see why they'd ring Vettel. If I were Vettel I'd say no though. He's just said his goodbyes to the sport and so it would be weird to be back on the track during the first race of the next season
Aston have come out as expected, and I fully expect Drugovich to continue in Saudi Arabia as I doubt Stroll can recover from two broken wrists in 3 weeks. Australia could be the earliest return for him.
I am happy that the Michael Owen of F1 continues his form:
Every driver wants to win pole. That means he will have 19 drivers behind him on the grid come race day.
Every driver wants to win pole. That means he will have 19 drivers behind him on the grid come race day.
Mercedes engineers claim to have noticed that the Aston Martin has similar good qualities in the corners as the Red Bull.
Mercedes expects a very strong Aston Martin.
Toto: "According to our calculations, the Aston Martin could end up in second place."
Mercedes expects a very strong Aston Martin.
Toto: "According to our calculations, the Aston Martin could end up in second place."
Mercedes will be in trouble next weekend. You have to question continuing with the slim sidepod design, when no one else on the grid is doing similar.
It will be interesting to see how close Alonso is in Q3 to the Ferraris and RedBulls.
AM is obviously very good under braking (potentially due to a high downforce setup) - but if they setup like that in the race they might get gobbled up by the DRS
Didn't know Merc doubled down on the thin side pod. If they have gotten it wrong again now that would be hilarious
Both RB and Mercedes are wary of AM going into next weekend. Alonso back in the fight for podiums and maybe even wins would be terrific.
The Race analysis of thr bahrain test and overall pace.
Obviously RB in the lead.
Ferrari 0.5 behind
Aston Martin 0.7 behind
Mercedes 1.1 behind
Alfa Romeo 1.4 behind
Haas 1.5 behind
Alpine 1.8 behind
Mclaren and Williams 1.9 behind
Alpha Tauri 2.1 behind
https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-andersons-verdict-on-each-f1-teams-pace-after-testing/
Obviously RB in the lead.
Ferrari 0.5 behind
Aston Martin 0.7 behind
Mercedes 1.1 behind
Alfa Romeo 1.4 behind
Haas 1.5 behind
Alpine 1.8 behind
Mclaren and Williams 1.9 behind
Alpha Tauri 2.1 behind
https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-andersons-verdict-on-each-f1-teams-pace-after-testing/
Can't fecking wait for the season to start.
I reckon Ferrari and RB will start neck and neck but who knows really.
Also would love if Aston where atleast as good as Mercedes. Alonso finally having a good car again would be great to watch.
Seeing him race Lewis again potentially race Max for the first time would be great.
I doubt it will happen though I'd say the top 3 will still be too far ahead
I reckon Ferrari and RB will start neck and neck but who knows really.
Also would love if Aston where atleast as good as Mercedes. Alonso finally having a good car again would be great to watch.
Seeing him race Lewis again potentially race Max for the first time would be great.
I doubt it will happen though I'd say the top 3 will still be too far ahead
Yeah agree. I guess my point is that Netflix tends to overhype their access as all areas, 24/7, when in terms of actual footage it feels like they get one or two hours at the team principal's house, a couple of talking heads and backstage footage for about 4 races, and then probably have to pay to use F1s actual footage.
But it amounts to the same thing, which is the show feels shallow and stretched out. I think I'd prefer a All or Nothing show focussed on one or two teams (especially smaller teams) with actual unfettered access, than a broad and generic product which feels shallow and generic to anyone who watches the sport.
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The new season could be over before it started.
Mercedes in trouble being somewhere around 1.1 seconds off the pace.
Now reports emerging that the super fast ferrari is a tyre eater. The gap between it and RB on medium runs was 0.4
The gap just gets larger on the longer runs.
Its gong to be a RedBull procession again like last season...
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-mountain-to-climb-tyres-will-buxton/
Mercedes in trouble being somewhere around 1.1 seconds off the pace.
Now reports emerging that the super fast ferrari is a tyre eater. The gap between it and RB on medium runs was 0.4
The gap just gets larger on the longer runs.
Its gong to be a RedBull procession again like last season...
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-mountain-to-climb-tyres-will-buxton/
An All or Nothing show would be fantastic, some of the smaller teams would probably love the idea of the extra exposure and new fans it would bring as well.
So I guess same as the last year, with Merc being even worse than at start of last year. Ferrari's problem with tires are really weird.
Yeah Leclerc was not impressed with the long run performance on the last day of testing. Not seen the times but AM according to some were nearly as good as RB?! And they will be improving on their car a lot as the season goes on