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Monza, slapping a reverse on a reverse.Silverstone 2021, the reverse Uno card of any Abu Dhabi 2021 discussion it seems. Didn't work then, doesn't work now.
Monza, slapping a reverse on a reverse.Silverstone 2021, the reverse Uno card of any Abu Dhabi 2021 discussion it seems. Didn't work then, doesn't work now.
Could listen to your all day, so eloquently put too. I wish I could put your argue/debate across so well but can’t Great post.You really didn’t address anything I said with anything even approaching a convincing rebuttal. The refrain of living in someone’s head “rent free” is an overused trope, deployed by respondents who have little in the way of a factual or compelling argument, so instead resort to terms of belittlement popularised by sheeple on social media. It’s use in this instance is no surprise as you rolled it out previously in this debate in an attempt to shut down other posters.
With regards to you not saying the British press were against foreign drivers because they were foreign, your words were:
“The British media were biased against Schumacher, and Alonso, and Vettel, and Rosberg, and now Verstappen. You'd have to be living in cuckoo land to not recognise that.”
Which certainly reads an an implication towards xenophobia. Far be it from me to say elements of the British media aren’t xenophobic, because they certainly are, the insinuation in this case is clearly that Red Bull face bias because Verstappen is Dutch. Not because Verstappen and Horner have acted poorly on numerous occasions and been the beneficiaries of corrupt and incompetent stewardship, as well as actively participated in subverting the financial regulations governing the sport. Both of which bestowed championship winning advantages on them.
If having a contrarian opinion on the popularity, morality, or likability of anyone automatically means that person is living “rent free” in the opiner’s head, then I suppose we must all have a roster of tenants.
Well hang on, now you’ve changed the discussion. Saying there is a an asterisks doesn’t mean you hate Max and Horner. It’s just the reality after what happened. You can say both. As for cheaters, well they went over the budget. I’m struggling to understand how staying those things means a) someone must be biased, b) mean that someone wouldn’t think the same thing if it were any other team and c) must just be whining.That might be the case for some but it's far from the impression I've gotten from the majority who are whining about this. It's all talk about asterisks and cheaters, not that they weren't humble enough after the season ended.
Sigh. I should have known better than to get involvedYou need to reread everything a lot more carefully if this is what you take from the last couple of pages. What argument are you even talking about?
I think someone already clarified this. It’s how they behaved subsequently. And not after the race or a few days after, they’re well entitled to spend that time celebrating. But after that, they could have handled it much better and in a much more endearing way.
Sigh. I should have known better than to get involved
I had been doing so well in this thread to not do so
It’s sad that this thread descends into this, regardless of who you support.
The way Horner lives in some peoples heads is very reminiscent of Liverpool fans and old whiskey nose, as they called him.
Red Bull face a relentlessly biased UK media, and Horner just does the obvious thing - stands up for his employees and creates a siege mentality. Meanwhile other unsuccessful bosses like Binotto let their team take pelters and ridicule from the media week after week.
This is impressive consistency albeit there was less degradation than expected.
People may not like Max but he's been super consistent the past few years including before Red Bull were competitive. There's a reason Toto wanted him.
I saw a Lewis Hamilton interview speaking about how he knew he was in Vettel's head when Vettel banged tyres during the safety car. Max has shown a lot of mental strength. This is something we still need to see from Leclerc who is as talented.
Well hang on, now you’ve changed the discussion. Saying there is a an asterisks doesn’t mean you hate Max and Horner. It’s just the reality after what happened. You can say both. As for cheaters, well they went over the budget. I’m struggling to understand how staying those things means a) someone must be biased, b) mean that someone wouldn’t think the same thing if it were any other team and c) must just be whining.
Who has explicitly said they hate Max and Horner because they benefited from a dodgy call? Ergo how can you state they are biased without knowing if that’s the only reason they dislike them? And fine, people whine about last seasons ending. So what, we should just ignore it happened? Ok sure people don’t need to go on and on about and fair enough if it bothers you but then surely you either ignore it oe accept that that’s what people are talking about. Whining about other people whining doesn’t make sense but you’re just as entitled to do it as much as the original whiners are.I didn't say asterisks means you hate Max and Horner, I haven't said or responded to anything having to do with the budget breach other than pointing out how weird it is to call Max a villain over it and I definitely haven't said that a) someone is biased for saying RB are cheaters for going over budget, b) someone wouldn't think the same if it were another team or c) that it's just whining.
I did call people biased for disliking the people who benefit from dodgy calls by the ref and I did say that people in general whine about last seasons ending though, so you've either read my last few posts and then thrown them all in a blender that makes you think I've said things I haven't or I've been truly terrible at getting my point across.
I'd wager it's a bit of both.
Could listen to your all day, so eloquently put too. I wish I could put your argue/debate across so well but can’t Great post.
I've found this is a strange take because its so easily repudiated. If pundits aren't allowed to give opinions then when Crofty asks Brundle "whose fault was that impact" Brundle would have to say "that's an opinion, I can't comment". If the response is "well that's a sporting opinion not a rules opinion" then that means they can't say a penalty was harsh or that one was warranted when not given (which they do all the time) or in football that any ref's call was wrong or in tennis (before hawk-eye) that a ball was incorrectly called in/out, or in cricket (before DRS) that an LBW call was poor. And so on. Pundits/commentators should not be off limits to talk about the governing bodies of the sports they commentate on. To make that so is authoritarian.
Who has explicitly said they hate Max and Horner because they benefited from a dodgy call? Ergo how can you state they are biased without knowing if that’s the only reason they dislike them? And fine, people whine about last seasons ending. So what, we should just ignore it happened? Ok sure people don’t need to go on and on about and fair enough if it bothers you but then surely you either ignore it oe accept that that’s what people are talking about. Whining about other people whining doesn’t make sense but you’re just as entitled to do it as much as the original whiners are.
Firstly the condescending tone of your post doesn’t add weight to your argument so there’s no need for it.1st question - I haven't accused anyone of explicitly saying that so it's a bit of a strange question, but @simonhch post was the reason for my first comment about this although it was more to say that it doesn't make sense to hate on Max and Horner for the whole Masi debacle (and Max for the budget thing) since they didn't break any rules. It was pretty clear he hated them for it, though he expressed himself a bit more eloquently, and since half the regulars in here has made that 'Post of the year' it's pretty clear he's not alone in thinking that.
2nd question - I don't quite follow tbh, why would I need to know if that's the only reason they dislike them to state they are biased? I already knew they were biased long before the Masi debacle just like I know the majority of F1 fans are biased, myself included.
3rd question - No, I never said we should ignore it. I've also not said that it bothers me or that I don't accept that people are talking about it. If I did I would've said so instead of replying to posts about it.
I hope that clears things up but if you want to continue with this I'd really appreciate if you addressed what I've actually said instead of strawmanning the crap out of it.
Firstly the condescending tone of your post doesn’t add weight to your argument so there’s no need for it.
As for your points, to be frank there’s little left to discuss. Talking about why it’s odd to hate Max and Horner for the Abu Dhabi point is, well, pointless, because the rest of your post indicates you have already long concluded that the very individuals you’re arguing with are biased and therefore what did you expect? And it’s pretty obvious why it matters if this is why they do or don’t solely hate them. You can’t conclude that someone’s opinion is flawed based on your point about this not being about them if you can’t first conclude that their opinion in the first place is based upon this matter. Otherwise you’re criticising someone for something they haven’t said or believe.
In following your tone, should any of the simple points above not adequately conclude the discussion I am happy to discuss the fundamental point; should you wish to continue your responses where you say you didn’t say something because you didn’t use the exact words then I would rather you save your time.
We’ll let’s bring it back down to earth then, max still a kuntHave to say there have been some really well written and argued posts on here last day or two.
Brazil this weekend.
Stupid sprint race weekend also, qualifying 19:00 Friday night.
Thunderstorms are forecast for Friday Sat and Sunday it is ging to be chaos.
oh I forgot this is your home race. Are you going?Brazil this weekend.
Stupid sprint race weekend also, qualifying 19:00 Friday night.
Thunderstorms are forecast for Friday Sat and Sunday it is ging to be chaos.
oh I forgot this is your home race. Are you going?
I bet Red bull are steaming right nowHamilton receives honorary citizenship Brazil
"..Hamilton was officially declared an honorary citizen of Brazil at the Chamber of Deputies. Arthur Lira, president of the Chamber of Deputies, made a reference in his speech to the finale of the 2021 Formula One season. Lira stated that Hamilton was "robbed" and addressed him as an "eight-time world champion", much to the delight of the Mercedes driver and those present in the room..."
Crofty (at event for FIA not sky) did something similar during the Las Vegas track event. When questioning hamilton the seven times world champion about how awesome it would be to win a title at las vegas gp, people in the crowd started shouting "eight times world champion".
Crofty said, well the crowd are saying your a eight times world champion, so how would it feel as a eight times worls champion to win a title at Las Vegas (words to that effect).
Crofty will probably get a slap on the wrists for that as it was an official FIA event.
I bet Red bull are steaming right now
But it's only the biased UK media and conspiracy theories, I thought?Hamilton receives honorary citizenship Brazil
"..Hamilton was officially declared an honorary citizen of Brazil at the Chamber of Deputies. Arthur Lira, president of the Chamber of Deputies, made a reference in his speech to the finale of the 2021 Formula One season. Lira stated that Hamilton was "robbed" and addressed him as an "eight-time world champion", much to the delight of the Mercedes driver and those present in the room..."
Crofty (at event for FIA not sky) did something similar during the Las Vegas track event. When questioning hamilton the seven times world champion about how awesome it would be to win a title at las vegas gp, people in the crowd started shouting "eight times world champion".
Crofty said, well the crowd are saying your a eight times world champion, so how would it feel as a eight times worls champion to win a title at Las Vegas (words to that effect).
Crofty will probably get a slap on the wrists for that as it was an official FIA event.
I'm perfectly capable of those things without being part of the UK mediaSo as you understood it, bias and passive aggressive rants are something only the UK F1 press ever engage in?
Latifi, Masi, Silvia, Schmitz, Naomi, Alonso, Lewis, Max, Newey and his wife… wonder who the next will be to face the spite of the knuckledraggers.
Be a great step if Max and Lewis boycotted social media permanently. Send a message to their armies of furious stans.
F1 could start by giving final warnings out to Sky to stop inciting it at every chance.
They essentially cranked the power up to 150% knowing they only had to use it in 2/3 races. They were happy to take the engine penalty of 5 places knowing with so much extra speed they'd make it up in 10 laps or so.Wonder if Merc will run with the FTX sponsorship on their car this weekend...
Lewis had a rocket engine last year in Brazil - did we ever work out why? The RBs have been way ahead on the straight so likely another Max win?
Riccardo was speaking about this on a podcast, he was saying the spray from the ground effect cars is completely different from the older car, even in the monsoon conditions the track was some what drivable but you couldn’t see the car directly in front of you.Bet they don't go out in this, the track didn't look that bad?
Is it me or have they got completely risk averse? I could understand absolute monsoon conditions but half the time it's conditions they used to race in
It denies the fans the excitement of wet racing and getting to see the drivers' skill in handling tricky conditions
They essentially cranked the power up to 150% knowing they only had to use it in 2/3 races. They were happy to take the engine penalty of 5 places knowing with so much extra speed they'd make it up in 10 laps or so.
Usually engines have to last a certain amount of races across the season, but they went hail mary with it (and it worked fantastically)