F1 2022 Season

With regards Max boycotting Sky, I am in no way a Max fan, I despise Horner and RBR but can see where Max is coming from. He's totally within his right to not speak to a media outlet if he receives constant bias from them. Kravitz etc do still bang on about it to the point it's become a bit of a meme.

I've in fact found Max to be a bit more tolerable this year and is always the first to point out that Schumacher had less races in a year when someone brings up the wins per season record. The real devil is Horner. He's a smug little prick.

It's just how Sir Alex boycotted BBC for years (I think he agreed to interact with them again in the twilight years at United).
 
Camy89 said:
With regards Max boycotting Sky, I am in no way a Max fan, I despise Horner and RBR but can see where Max is coming from. He's totally within his right to not speak to a media outlet if he receives constant bias from them. Kravitz etc do still bang on about it to the point it's become a bit of a meme.

I've in fact found Max to be a bit more tolerable this year and is always the first to point out that Schumacher had less races in a year when someone brings up the wins per season record. The real devil is Horner. He's a smug little prick.

It's just how Sir Alex boycotted BBC for years (I think he agreed to interact with them again in the twilight years at United).
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I very much doubt Ziggo TV is impartial either. If anything Sky TV in England heavily favoured Max to win.

I remember pre Abu Dhabi and the likes of Paul Di Resta, Karun Chandlok etc were desperate for a Max victory.
 
I think people are overthinking this a bit. Mercedes clearly thought that the medium wouldn’t go to the end after 1 stop following the softs. They presumably thought those who started on softs would need to pit again. If that’s what the data is telling them, then fine. But then they need to be a) challenging themselves as to what analysis they were missing since it seemed quite clear the mediums would last longer than expected and b) think about why they didn’t consider an alternative strategy for one of their drivers, given how slow Ferrari were.
 
Camy89 said:
With regards Max boycotting Sky, I am in no way a Max fan, I despise Horner and RBR but can see where Max is coming from. He's totally within his right to not speak to a media outlet if he receives constant bias from them. Kravitz etc do still bang on about it to the point it's become a bit of a meme.

I've in fact found Max to be a bit more tolerable this year and is always the first to point out that Schumacher had less races in a year when someone brings up the wins per season record. The real devil is Horner. He's a smug little prick.

It's just how Sir Alex boycotted BBC for years (I think he agreed to interact with them again in the twilight years at United).
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I’m fine with Max and RB boycotting Sky but can we please stop calling what Ted said as bias? Bias implies he wouldn’t have that same view if roles were reversed or if other drivers were in the same position. And we have no idea about that at the very least, or can reasonably assume he like the rest of us would have felt that any driver in Hamilton’s position, including Max, would have been robbed.
 
rpitroda said:
I’m fine with Max and RB boycotting Sky but can we please stop calling what Ted said as bias? Bias implies he wouldn’t have that same view if roles were reversed or if other drivers were in the same position. And we have no idea about that at the very least, or can reasonably assume he like the rest of us would have felt that any driver in Hamilton’s position, including Max, would have been robbed.
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Agreed
 
hobbers said:
Ted is biased though, it's not a secret. The robbed part is one word of one example, and it's not even the questionable/bitter part of his rant in Austin. The bit where he suggests that Max is only beating Hamilton now because of Newey is obviously where the bias is. Would he ever say that Hamilton only wins because of his car? No. In fact, when other people suggest that, like Alonso, Ted loses his little mind.

His comments in Japan were also more of an obviously bitter dig.
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From what I’ve heard from him, and granted I haven’t listened to everything and anything, he’s been pretty reasonable in his comments. On sky, Croft definitely has a “pro-British” agenda. Di Resta hates Hamilton. Chandok is generally OK, as is Brundle. Is any pundit truly impartial? I don’t think so. But your interpretation that Sky has a love fest with Hamilton and Mercedes is just wrong IMO.
 
Ted certainly has a way with words so to speak. He has no barrier which is part of his "charm".
 
Ted is absolutely allowed to voice his opinion, and Max and RB are absolutely allowed to not speak to Sky. It's an absolute non-issue.

Fergie didn't speak to the BBC for years after they bad-mouthed his son and nobody cared.
 
Lazenby, Herbert, Kravitz, Crofty. Those are the worst culprits for the pro-English agenda. I'll never have a bad word to say about Brundle.
 
hobbers said:
Ted is biased though, it's not a secret. The robbed part is one word of one example, and it's not even the questionable/bitter part of his rant in Austin. The bit where he suggests that Max is only beating Hamilton now because of Newey is obviously where the bias is. Would he ever say that Hamilton only wins because of his car? No. In fact, when other people suggest that, like Alonso, Ted loses his little mind.

His comments in Japan were also more of an obviously bitter dig.
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When did he say that? Which notebook was that in? Doesnt sound like something he would say. Kravitz has been pretty impartial throughout. Which is why when new Sky headhoncho got rid of him there was such an outcry for him to be restored.
 
Abizzz said:
It added another dimension to the strategy. Start empty and speed off, go super heavy and try a no stopper... etc. I have positive memories ofit during the Schumi/Hakkinen, Schumi/Hill seasons, I'd like to see a return of it.


But then again if the future of F1 is people not being able to say the truth on official F1 content... who the feck cares anymore? We've gotten used to F1 races being flogged off to any flogging dictatorship over the years but if this becomes the norm they can move FIA/Liberty etc. headquarters to north Korea for all I care.
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Yeh I had positive memories too, until I rewatched the seasons on F1 tv and online and saw that most of them were pretty dull. I watch sport to be entertained, especially F1, and unfortunately that didn't happen for me in the refueling days bar a few races. But each to their own and all that.
 
rpitroda said:
Not averse to it. But the reason 2 compounds works is only when you’ve got something on the cusp of a 2 stop or 1 stop race. Or, on the odd occasion, where teams seem confused about data on longevity and reality (like yesterday).

With 3 compounds, every race will be a two stopper (assuming tyres in their current form and not changed on durability). And by large I’d expect teams to do the same thing generally. I could be wrong though and tbh am not averse to it being tried.
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Yeh, like it could be a total disaster and not work, but it's worth a try for a season I think. Because I'm really starting to find the regular one stop races pretty dull these days.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
It’s a bit sad that ted has re stirred this pot even it is true, Horner said during that race they need a miracle to catch Lewis, enter masi. That’s just facts. No fanboy, no horse in the race, just what happened. Shame f1 has become so tribal
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Yeh and certain posters on here don't help with the tribalism. Is it really so hard to have an opinion on one driver without sounding like a total knob towards the other driver? It's playground stuff, and so many on here are guilty of it.
 
sepulturite said:
Yeh and certain posters on here don't help with the tribalism. Is it really so hard to have an opinion on one driver without sounding like a total knob towards the other driver? It's playground stuff, and so many on here are guilty of it.
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It's not just on here either. Other F1 sites' comment pages are full of it. It's so odd how it has become one of the most tribal sports.

The second you criticise Max you get instant comments that you're a blinded Mercedes fan and that Hamilton caused an incident once. The second you say something pro Max you get a RB are cheats and he hasn't won a deserved title response.

The oddest thing is that surely most wont have been fans of Mercedes or RB for long, given they are two relatively new teams in their current form.
 
I see Ted is getting some ridiculous grief on his Instagram now.

It’s just a sport, I honestly can’t imagine what runs through someone’s head to post shite or comment directly to someone like that. Social media is literally the gutter.

RB/Max are within their rights to not speak to anyone they so feel but in this day and age it has consequences, personally it comes across as incredibly thin skinned and now the witch hunt is on for that fanbase. I can’t claim to listen to everything Ted has ever broadcast but if the catalyst was that recent clip then it’s nothing, literally nothing.
 
goalscholes said:
It's not just on here either. Other F1 sites' comment pages are full of it. It's so odd how it has become one of the most tribal sports.

The second you criticise Max you get instant comments that you're a blinded Mercedes fan and that Hamilton caused an incident once. The second you say something pro Max you get a RB are cheats and he hasn't won a deserved title response.

The oddest thing is that surely most wont have been fans of Mercedes or RB for long, given they are two relatively new teams in their current form.
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Yeh this is all so true, I'm a fan of neither driver or team, so I think I'm fairly impartial, but I find it very hard not to shout out to myself 'oh feck off', and then type it, in response to some of the bonkers biased opinions on here.

I'm not a fan of Max as I said, but I can see why he gets a bit upset when people call in to question his title last season (in terms of driving anyway, budget cap thing is a different story) but he drove his heart out last season and I was glad he won, it was just a pity it happened the way it did.

At the same time I can totally see why Hamilton was upset with what happened last season, it was totally unfair and he was definitely robbed in that sense.

But it's nearly impossible to get reasonable opinions from some posters on some subjects on here, so I've given up trying really.
 
Drawfull said:
The UK based teams have to publicly publish their spend. Companies House rules.
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As an ex company director I am well aware of that.
But the company accounts which are provided to HMRC and filed with companies house show what was spent on what but not how it was allocated.

And Mercedes Benz is not a UK registered company.
 
Buster15 said:
As an ex company director I am well aware of that.
But the company accounts which are provided to HMRC and filed with companies house show what was spent on what but not how it was allocated.

And Mercedes Benz is not a UK registered company.
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Some teams have broken it down In the past. But your second sentence isn’t clear, so not sure if that’s what you mean.
 
Drawfull said:
Some teams have broken it down In the past. But your second sentence isn’t clear, so not sure if that’s what you mean.
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We were talking about company accounts being registered with companies house. That of course only applies to UK registered company. So not Mercedes Benz which is registered in Germany.
 
Buster15 said:
We were talking about company accounts being registered with companies house. That of course only applies to UK registered company. So not Mercedes Benz which is registered in Germany.
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The Grand Prix team is a registered UK company, and has been for years since it was Tyrell. It's now owned by three groups equally, Toto Wolff, Ineos, and Mercedes Benz. Their latest company accounts are here.
 
F-Red said:
The Grand Prix team is a registered UK company, and has been for years since it was Tyrell. It's now owned by three groups equally, Toto Wolff, Ineos, and Mercedes Benz. Their latest company accounts are here.
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Thank you so much for the clarification. Was wondering why when Mercedes win a GP they play the German national anthem. But I will look at the attachment.
 
Buster15 said:
Thank you so much for the clarification. Was wondering why when Mercedes win a GP they play the German national anthem. But I will look at the attachment.
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Each team will designate 'ownership' to FOM & FIA for the purposes of anthems on podiums in a sporting sense, it means absolutely nothing to the company structure from a legal and financial standpoint. The other thing to note is that most teams with larger ownership of foreign entities, will still be UK registered or linked back to the company who made the original submission to join F1. Reason being is that inheriting a team means they don't have to pay the entrance fees as a new starter, which is why you'll see more acquisition of teams soon rather than brand new entrants to the sport so they can bypass that policy.
 
Buster15 said:
We were talking about company accounts being registered with companies house. That of course only applies to UK registered company. So not Mercedes Benz which is registered in Germany.
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I see it's already been mentioned that the team are UK registered. Here's an example of Toro Rosso's figures from a couple of years ago, which go into more detail than the company accounts. There's a breakdown towards the bottom of the article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/...ally-costs-to-run-an-f1-team/?sh=74d70ac977c1
 
F-Red said:
Each team will designate 'ownership' to FOM & FIA for the purposes of anthems on podiums in a sporting sense, it means absolutely nothing to the company structure from a legal and financial standpoint. The other thing to note is that most teams with larger ownership of foreign entities, will still be UK registered or linked back to the company who made the original submission to join F1. Reason being is that inheriting a team means they don't have to pay the entrance fees as a new starter, which is why you'll see more acquisition of teams soon rather than brand new entrants to the sport so they can bypass that policy.
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Very much appreciated thanks.
 
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I am sure that winning the WC and constructors championship more than compensates for any so called mental health problems.

Horner needs to accept responsibility for the fact that Red Bull has tarnished itself without any outside assistance.
 
Horner is an absolute bellend. By far the most dislikable f1 team boss i can recall, other than flavio briatorie
 
TBH I dont dislike Red Bull or Max, it is Horner and Helmut Marko that I dislike with a passion.
Marko is the evil Palpatine and Horner is Skywalker being turned to the darkside, get rid of them both and Red Bull would not be hated so much
 
pauldyson1uk said:
TBH I dont dislike Red Bull or Max, it is Horner and Helmut Marko that I dislike with a passion.
Marko is the evil Palpatine and Horner is Skywalker being turned to the darkside, get rid of them both and Red Bull would not be hated so much
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Mean to talk about @hobbers like that.
 
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pauldyson1uk said:
TBH I dont dislike Red Bull or Max, it is Horner and Helmut Marko that I dislike with a passion.
Marko is the evil Palpatine and Horner is Skywalker being turned to the darkside, get rid of them both and Red Bull would not be hated so much
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The way Horner lives in some peoples heads is very reminiscent of Liverpool fans and old whiskey nose, as they called him.

Red Bull face a relentlessly biased UK media, and Horner just does the obvious thing - stands up for his employees and creates a siege mentality. Meanwhile other unsuccessful bosses like Binotto let their team take pelters and ridicule from the media week after week.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
TBH I dont dislike Red Bull or Max, it is Horner and Helmut Marko that I dislike with a passion.
Marko is the evil Palpatine and Horner is Skywalker being turned to the darkside, get rid of them both and Red Bull would not be hated so much
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I think its the same for most. No issue with verstappen.
 
If anyone has a spare hour on their hands this week, then check out F1's Beyond the Grid podcast. Latifi is the guest this week and is a very open and honest conversation about his three years at Williams.
 
F-Red said:
If anyone has a spare hour on their hands this week, then check out F1's Beyond the Grid podcast. Latifi is the guest this week and is a very open and honest conversation about his three years at Williams.
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Does he admit he doesnt have the talent for f1?
 
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