Maybe because the race director changed the rules in the final lap of the final race for max to win and then got sacked for it. Nothing to do with Silverstone.
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Hamilton lost the race cuz he was afraid to get a pitstop during the safety car . So for gods sake stop meowing like a lill kid .
Some of you fanboys are absolutely mental. There's a reason this thread is maybe the worst on the caf for handbags, with some pretty good competition.
Some of you fanboys are absolutely mental. There's a reason this thread is maybe the worst on the caf for handbags, with some pretty good competition.
You don't answer my question about Silverstone ?? Last week in Austin i did not hear any of Hamilton fanboys complaining about 2 safety cars bringing Lewis back in the race ??
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Some wholesome content for once:
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Really liked as well that Checo wagged his finger at the crowd when they were booing Lewis after the race.
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Really liked as well that Checo wagged his finger at the crowd when they were booing Lewis after the race.
Poor race, a lot of cars spread out and Ferrari nowhere. After 18 laps Sainz is 8 seconds behind Russell, then 40 laps he's around 22 seconds off. Leclerc is sat behind Sainz with a 4 second gap.
Anyway I'm sure Alonso can kick back and rewatch this titanic battle Max had today.
Anyway I'm sure Alonso can kick back and rewatch this titanic battle Max had today.
Get your kid to a pediatrician.
Concerning the race, even just watching the highlights was boring. There was none.
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Over spending pays off.
This has been a dull, one sided season. Max can break all the records he wants but it means little in a one horse race. To say he's the greatest since MS is laughable.
Nah, refueling always made races dull back in the past, I've been rewatching old races on F1 tv, very few good races in the refueling years.
I think bringing in minimum 2 stop races where you have to use all 3 compounds would make it very interesting.
He doesn't work for the BBC and the notebook is literally his take on stuff. And I remember seeing it and he was clearly talking about the safety car incident and nothing else.
My opinion is also that Hamilton was robbed but that doesn't mean I don't think max was a worthy champion or did't deserve to win. The title was decided in one of the worst ways possible for anyone who either doesn't hate Lewis or isn't a blind max fan. After the season we had to have it end in such a mess was incredibly unsatisfactory.
I find the whole official f1 feed stuff weird, it's not really on sky to be neutral, it's on the fia or liberty to instruct them or not care. It is after all their choice as to who the official f1 broadcaster is. They do have their own feed people can watch I believe. Crofty has always been shit.
You would almost certainly get identical strategies with this approach.
Horner did confirm that Red Bull would resume normal service with Sky at the Brazilian Grand Prix in two weeks.
“Service will be resumed, but we just wanted to lay down a marker to say that some things aren’t acceptable, and as a team, we stand together,” Horner continued.
“I think the accusation that the championship was being robbed is we don’t feel an impartial commentary, so obviously, we don’t feel it’s fair or balanced.
“Max was very upset about it, and as a team, we support him fully and equally we were upset about it so I took the decision that we’ll have a weekend off.”
Its a no to refueling from me.
Minimum 2 stops and using 3 compounds, yeah I can see the merits of it and pit strategy would play a part of the race, more than it does now.
Eh I dunno, I don't think so. That was always thought about the 2 compound rule when it was brought in and it didn't happen that way. It's worth a try for a season.
Yeh exactly, as I said in my other reply it's worth a try for a season. Could make typically dull races like Monaco and catalunya a bit more exciting anyway.
I’m not sure why this makes a difference? Pundits are paid to give an opinion, whether on an official broadcast or not. The issue here isn’t that he is giving a biased opinion. The issue is really that you’ve first made the assumption that an opinion which benefits Lewis must be biased in the first place. I can’t speak for Ted, but I believe 99% of people who hold the view that Hamilton was robbed last year including me would equally strongly hold that view if it was any of the other 18 drivers on the grid. Therefore to me it isn’t biased, it’s just an opinion which he is paid to offer.
Pearl clutching.
It added another dimension to the strategy. Start empty and speed off, go super heavy and try a no stopper... etc. I have positive memories ofit during the Schumi/Hakkinen, Schumi/Hill seasons, I'd like to see a return of it.
But then again if the future of F1 is people not being able to say the truth on official F1 content... who the feck cares anymore? We've gotten used to F1 races being flogged off to any flogging dictatorship over the years but if this becomes the norm they can move FIA/Liberty etc. headquarters to north Korea for all I care.
I don’t see how it is biased commentary though. The point would have equally been the same if roles were reversed or indeed any other driver other than Hamilton was involved.
So trying to phrase it as bias is just a bullshit sound bite really for fans who want to latch on to something to latch on to. The reality is RB just didn’t like the opinion, not that it’s biased. And that’s fine by the way, and if they don’t want to speak to Sky then don’t speak to Sky.
His win % is 70% while Schumacher in a 13 wins season was 72,2% and Vettel had 68,4% win percentage in his 13 wins season.
If Max wins next 2 races his win percentage will ve better then Schumacher's at 72,7%. So it's not just about many races.
To be fair Ferrari was faster car in first races and he will probably be second in each race he DNFed in. People are forgetting how fast Ferrari looked at the start of the season. Some people started to speculate after third race if anyone can beat Leclerc (which was stupid to do but still).
0,37% overspends, really.
People forget that their submission was around 5 mil bellow cost cap, as it's seems all the did the same to be safe, and they went over because of probably some stupid accounting rules.
If they could make another submissive with the knowledge they have now they would be probably millions below. It's on them they didn't do dry run etc. but to pretend it mattered on the performance front anyway is just crazy.
Yeah they clearly went over because of stupid accounting rules not because they spent the money.
Not averse to it. But the reason 2 compounds works is only when you’ve got something on the cusp of a 2 stop or 1 stop race. Or, on the odd occasion, where teams seem confused about data on longevity and reality (like yesterday).
With 3 compounds, every race will be a two stopper (assuming tyres in their current form and not changed on durability). And by large I’d expect teams to do the same thing generally. I could be wrong though and tbh am not averse to it being tried.
Mexico GP Race Result
| Rank | Driver | Number | Team | Grid | Pits | Fastest Lap | Race Time | PointsPts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Max Verstappen | 1 | Red Bull | 1 | 1 | 1:22.046 | 1:38:36.729 | 25 |
| 2 | Lewis Hamilton | 44 | Mercedes | 3 | 1 | 1:22.062 | 15.186 behind | 18 |
| 3 | Sergio Perez | 11 | Red Bull | 4 | 1 | 1:21.775 | 18.097 behind | 15 |
| 4 | George Russell | 63 | Mercedes | 2 | 2 | fastest overall lap 1:20.153 | 49.431 behind | 13 |
| 5 | Carlos Sainz Jnr | 55 | Ferrari | 5 | 1 | 1:22.199 | 58.123 behind | 10 |
| 6 | Charles Leclerc | 16 | Ferrari | 7 | 1 | 1:22.603 | 1:08.774 behind | 8 |
| 7 | Daniel Ricciardo | 3 | McLaren | 11 | 1 | 1:22.022 | 1 lap behind | 6 |
| 8 | Esteban Ocon | 31 | Alpine | 10 | 1 | 1:23.279 | 1 lap behind | 4 |
| 9 | Lando Norris | 4 | McLaren | 8 | 1 | 1:23.402 | 1 lap behind | 2 |
| 10 | Valtteri Bottas | 77 | Alfa Romeo | 6 | 1 | 1:23.363 | 1 lap behind | 1 |
| 11 | Pierre Gasly | 10 | AlphaTauri | 14 | 1 | 1:22.277 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 12 | Alexander Albon | 23 | Williams | 17 | 1 | 1:22.914 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 13 | Guanyu Zhou | 24 | Alfa Romeo | 12 | 1 | 1:22.260 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 14 | Sebastian Vettel | 5 | Aston Martin | 16 | 1 | 1:23.086 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 15 | Lance Stroll | 18 | Aston Martin | 20 | 2 | 1:22.463 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 16 | Mick Schumacher | 47 | Haas | 15 | 1 | 1:23.641 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 17 | Kevin Magnussen | 20 | Haas | 19 | 1 | 1:23.300 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 18 | Nicholas Latifi | 6 | Williams | 18 | 2 | 1:23.709 | 2 laps behind | 0 |
| 19 | Fernando Alonso | 14 | Alpine | 9 | 1 | 1:22.866 | did not finish completed 63 laps | 0 |
| not classified | Yuki Tsunoda | 22 | AlphaTauri | 13 | 1 | 1:23.403 | did not finish completed 50 laps | 0 |
But but but we went over the cost cap cos my version of excel does the formulas wrong, init.
What’s the difference between 2nd and 3rd in the constructors? As in, difference in wind tunnel time. Difference in prize money. What else? I wonder because potentially for a team where finances aren’t an issue (Merc, Ferrari), at this stage would you even want to come 2nd over 3rd? Wondering if it explains perhaps whatever Ferrari decided to do to their cars yesterday.
Not hearing from Horner during the race was a plus.
I did not think it was biased, it was just Ted being Ted, but also not shocked Red Bull took offense to it, nobody like being called cheats (even if you are, maybe!)
The cheating point has nothing to do with Abu Dhabi though. Putting cost cap aside (as I don’t think that was Ted’s point was it?), Abu Dhabi wasn’t about calling RB cheats it was just about how the set of circumstances robbed Lewis the title. Which really had nothing to do with Red Bull but the inference is that as a result Max’s title is worth less because Lewis should have won.
In my opinion that’s just reality. Even if you assume what Masi did was fine, it’s still true because Lewis was stupidly unlucky to not with that race thanks to Latifi being Latifi (without which he’d have casually gone on to win).
Naturally Red Bull are upset about that opinion because it implies Max was lucky to win. But they can’t change the facts unfortunately.
Oh and yes, Horner personally should boycott all media outlets across the world indefinitely. Please.
Well you can also say that crash that Lewis responsible for costed them over 1 milion and just 2 races later Bottas has crashed in Max which resulted in another costly repear. So if Mercedes wanted to win fairly and not within bumper cars rules that would also resulted Red Bull not being over cost cap.
Because other teams weren’t involved in crashes that year? You know, like the damage caused by Max driving on Lewis’ head?
I already established that it's Hamilton's fault through eating all the caviar in RB's hospitality suites.
You know what they say... the truth hurts.
If you cannot understand how Hamilton was robbed, not just of the race but of an 8th WC, then you either didn't see the race, or you don't understand the rules. Which by the way, the FIA apologised for and sacked the race director.
What rubbish. Horner yet again making himself look stupid.
....Max was very upset by it. Grow up.
It’s a bit sad that ted has re stirred this pot even it is true, Horner said during that race they need a miracle to catch Lewis, enter masi. That’s just facts. No fanboy, no horse in the race, just what happened. Shame f1 has become so tribal
i reckon they should have to use all
of the compounds at the same time, say two rear hards, soft front left, medium front right. that would separate the men from the boys.