Its hyperbole is what it is. Teams spend millions over a season, upto 4 or 5 a minimum and hardly gain a few tenths.
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It's not hyperbole. All the other teams have said similar, that a couple of million overspend is a couple of tenths a lap and their reasoning for this is the same: spent on actual car development, that extra couple of million is huge.
I'll add context to this by saying I think RB have got off quite lightly, and since their own argument is that the overspend was nothing to do with the development of the car - i.e., catering for their staff and that doesn't affect a car's development, then the other teams have it right. RB can't have it both ways.
Doesn't the tax credit thing make the overspending to about 500k as per the FIA?
oh fernando…Alonso stirring the pot again...
if anything this title has been the most 1 sided for a long time. at least hamilton had a rival!
That I don't know. I'm going off what was said in the run up to the report being released as to the nature of the overspend.
It was. The vast majority was a tax issue and the actual overspend was around 400k
Still a chunk of 'car development' money. I don't make the breakdown criteria, and am inclined to argue that technically every penny spent ultimately benefits the car, but by F1's own numbers even 400k is almost 10% of money spent on the actual development of the car.
Alonso stirring the pot again...
jealous much alonso?!?Max has won one title at a canter and thats due to the incompetence of ferrari and mercedes this season.
Max also won a title by overtaking his championship rival on the final lap of the final race.
Max has won one title at a canter and thats due to the incompetence of ferrari and mercedes this season.
Nah, that was a gift from michael masi.
No it was a world championship win. Check the history books. They all say it, except the ones that only say “John Major Punched the Queen”
Cant be arsed. Adding you to my ignore list. Bye.
And still managing to lose 2 of them on top of that.Alonso stirring the pot again...
Puts everyone on ignore this lad.
sometimes its the best thing to do, I don't have anybody on ignore, but I sure some will have me
It's literally all he talks about, I reckon he has everyone who is non Hamilton fan on ignore by now.
With new rules, this year's cars are basically new cars. You can't have it both ways, 1,8m is really not that much extra development for one season, and especially not for two seasons.
Cost cap was introduced in 2021, like someone said, why weren't Ferrari so much better than anyone else in last ten years or so if 1,8m extra gives you so much advantage?
And again, this is coming from a Ferrari fan. Red Bull cheated, 1% over cost cap is ridiculously low considering how far ahead everyone they are this season.
Nobody gives the ignore function a better work out than the caf's Hamilton fans.
Someone should ask these idiots why they agreed to the proposals (including the punishments) beforehand.
Try to see how it is at r/LewisHamilton . Will get you banned if you had posted smth they don't like at a random different reddit
Not if the bulk of it was spent on engine development. There’s an engine development freeze from 2022 till 2026 and if Red Bull exceeded the budget to do more development last year it would have given them a head start which most teams will be unable to catch up due to the development freeze.
And again, this budget overspend was for last season where they lost to Mercedes and fluked out a championship for Max. We’ll only know how much Red Bull spent for this season next year but it’ll be dodgy again given how most teams had to cut staffs to make the budget while Red Bull was snapping up staffs.
Honestly feel it's a pretty big punishment given the low amount (<400k) and the mitigating circumstances like the post submission rule change among others. Ferrari and Mercedes have a lot more CFD and wind tunnel time for next season so should be able to overtake Red Bull. No excuses for them now. Game on.
Did red bull have extra money to spend on this years car when the claim back there tax? also on the tax isn’t it a bit silly that this is counted as teams are set up in different countries with different tax rates. If a team really want to gain extra money they could shift there headquarters to country with low corporations tax.
Ooh I wanna be ignored by dino too.
Hamilton is shit and he had it easy with a great car and Max deserved the win last year and this year is showing how average Lucky Lewis is without the best car amirite guys?
Hamilton is shit and he had it easy with a great car and Max deserved the win last year and this year is showing how average Lucky Lewis is without the best car amirite guys?
It's about 20% of a development budget for a single season. It's a significant amount considering the up roar from Horner over 10% reduction on just wind tunnel and CFD time.
I thought it was a good The Day Today joke personally
I suppose we don’t criticise the inconsistency in NFL punishments then? You know, since the approach was agreed by the players and teams?
I suppose we don’t criticise the inconsistency in NFL punishments then? You know, since the approach was agreed by the players and teams?
NFL penalties are so wildly ridiculous it’s not at all comparableNot me, I would rather see what is posted.
So because someone has a different opinion to you, you put them on ignore? You Merc fans are unreal.
I remember when there wasn't this bitterness between fans of different teams of this sport, god I wish those days were back now. Between here and reddit it's just a cesspool, nowhere to just discuss F1 without it turning in to the childish crap that's goes on here
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This is actually a good point, it seems kind of unfair that a team has to use so much of its budget after a massive crash like those that costs millions doesn't it? And I'm saying this as a fan of neither team, but surely a big crash like that, that was clearly caused by another driver/team, shouldn't then have to come out of the aggreived teams budget?
I'm not saying the other team should pay for it either though, that's a bit much, but it just seems a bit unfair to me.
Seems a bit sensitive. Has me on ignore as well. I didn't remember talking to them so I had a look and can't see any good reason. Ironically, I only realised when I tried to give them advice on how to block someone who had their settings on private and they asked about it again after I'd replied a couple of times.
1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.
Also, if you are talking about just development, again, it has nothing to do with Hamilton this season since he has Ferrari guys and his teammate between him and Redbull which was what started this discussion initially few posts back.
Are you sure about that?
So are F1 penalties though. That’s the point.
Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.
Except it wasn't 1,8m. It was less than 400k.
You're tripping yourself up on your own quoted numbers. If you're going back to the original, after the calamitous calculations from the RB accounts, figures net of the tax rebate then the penalty is fair in my opinion. If a teams car is 1kg under the weight for a race then it's disqualified. If we're running a cost cap, then we need the same discipline. Not a sliding scale of based on the overspend, and I believe the penalty that was awarded was in line with what was agreed. I have no complaints.
What surprised me more wasn't the value that they went over by, it was the fact it was thirteen separate issues which constituted the breach. Issues which are pretty basic business as usual things like staff pay.
Looks like we could have 6 cars with potential for pole, first time in a long time.
Perez looks slow as feck.