F1 2022 Season

fishfingers15 said:
I think Hamilton got the title stolen from him but this is a fair summary.
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while I agree with you and that last race is still very raw and yes it still makes me mad, but I am not dwelling on it, I am making hardly any comments about it, looking forward to the season.
I just hope this thread does not descend in to what it did last season.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
OK "drive to survive".
We both know you did. You just have no response. :lol:
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You've completely shut me up with this. Let's roll on the new season shall we?

dinostar77 said:
Hi Christen Horner welcome to our forum.
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Thank you for your warm welcome.

senorgregster said:
Your post was longer :lol:
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Yes :lol: I was just hoping to take a 'banter' approach to see if it worked :(

Rooney1987 said:
The Masi/FIA news is new. Do you not think people should talk about it?

You act like new cars are being unveiled and out of nowhere, everyone just started moaning about last season. This isn’t what happened. FIA moved on the guy who made the decision this week. During Ferrari show, which is was them I’d be a little pissed. Off course it should be a talking point.
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I think this is fair. It's a big part of the last season and will have lasting impact on this season. I'm all for discussing this or any other topic in general, but I find the spirit of the thread veering towards brake check, asterisk in the title yada yada yada.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
while I agree with you and that last race is still very raw and yes it still makes me mad, but I am not dwelling on it, I am making hardly any comments about it, looking forward to the season.
I just hope this thread does not descend in to what it did last season.
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Cheers, that's my hope and can't wait for an even better season than last
 
Adam-Utd said:
Interesting that the drivers are saying the cars feel very sluggish because of the extra weight.

I'm sure they'll get used to it but it seems like they're carrying an extra tanks worth of fuel.

The sooner they can kick the hybrid systems the better
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Did not realise that they are heavier. Any idea by how much?
 
fishfingers15 said:
I'm not a Verstappen fan. In fact, I've always tended to support Mclaren or Mclaren-Mercedes drivers in races. I'm not trying to downplay Masi's huge feckup this season. The only reason the final race was the be-all and end-all was that both were tied on points. I like you Z from your werewolf days but I'm not having a weird fetish of blame shifting etc, it's just how I see it. I''m frankly bored by the 'F1 is stacked against Hamilton' posters when the last gazillion races were won by him ffs. I'm sorry, we'll have to disagree on this but I just hope we just move the feck on from last season.
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I agree we should move on from last season for sure. I just take issue when people shift the blame by saying the reason something was lost was because of something that happened earlier when that clearly isn't the case. If you are winning, and then all of a sudden you are not, the reason for a loss is the very last thing that happened that caused that winning situation to turn into a losing one. The reason I might get hit by a bus tomorrow is because I decide to cross the street without looking both ways, not because of something I did last week. Saying Lewis lost it because of something that happened months ago is just dumb, because quite clearly that's not the case because he was about to win despite it. The loss is simply down the Masi's decision, because without that decision it was not going to be a loss.

Zlaatan said:
This is just blatantly false and completely void of logic as the WC is decided by who gets the most amount of points in total over the season and the only reason anyone wins the title is because they have more points than the others, not because they secured the title in the last race. You can't negate 95% of the season just because the last race ends up being a winner takes all situation, as those 95% are the very reason you end up in that situation. It's like saying that winning the CL final in 99 is literally the only reason we won the treble that year, completely ignoring that we had to get to the CL final and win the league and FA cup as well for it to happen.

Lewis forgetting to turn off his brake magic in Baku is, literally, just as decisive for him losing the title as what Masi did (and yes I think it was a terrible call by Masi, or whoever made him do it).

Neither driver may not have won or lost anything before going in to the final race, but that still doesn't make the points from the final race more important than the points they had scored (or missed out on) previously.
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Except it isn't. The rules literally state that in that scenario the race would have finished under the safety car which would make Lewis the winner. So it's not blatantly false at all, or void of logic. It's the literal interpretation of the rules. The situation was they were level on points and in a situation where the rulebook placed Lewis as the winner of the race. End of story. If the rules were followed then Lewis forgetting his brake magic in Baki would not be the reason he lost, because he would have won. You're describing factors for why Lewis went into the race level on points instead of ahead, not reasons why Lewis lost the title. Lewis was about to win the title until the rule book was torn up, thus the reason he lost was because of that. That does not negate 95% of the season at all, it just frames it properly in that the season set up the finale which came down to the result of one race. You are advocating for the equivalent of losing the premier league to a blatantly disgraceful decision in the last minute of the league and saying the reason we lost is because De Gea didn't come off his line 8 months ago to collect a ball on a cold Tuesday night against Stoke. That's just farcical because everybody in the sport makes mistakes at all times that balance each other out. Lewis is not making mistakes where Verstappen is not and vice versa. Those things explain why they went into the race level on points, not why they lost the title. If the roles were reversed and it was Verstappen that was fecked over in that manner and any Hamilton fan said that Verstappen lost the title because of something he did 6 months ago they'd be laughed out of the thread.
 
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Zarlak said:
Money. Bahrain paid a lot of money to be able to show them on track for the first time.
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first time I have heard money, this is the official FIA stance.


Formula 1 has officially confirmed its 2022 pre-season testing dates, with two three-day tests taking place in Barcelona and Bahrain – and the first of them officially regarded as a ‘shakedown’ and held largely in private.
The 2022 Formula 1 cars built to all-new technical regulations will run in public for the first time at Barcelona on February 23-25.
 
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pretty cool to see the flow
Also a good reminder to not follow the line painting crews
 
hobbers said:
You’re presumably just ignorant of anything that happened in F1 before 2014.

Senna and Schumacher blatantly cheated to win those titles and sent Prost fans and the brits into total meltdown respectively. Hamilton in 08 is obviously just a big chunk of good luck but the Brazilians were just as salty. Educate yourself.
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Using statements like that in any post means your position is automatically undermined. To assume that you know more than everyone else, you've interpreted everything they've said correctly, there's no grey areas and they simply have to go away and 'educate themselves' to get to your level is childish in the extreme.
 
Zarlak said:
I agree we should move on from last season for sure. I just take issue when people shift the blame by saying the reason something was lost was because of something that happened earlier when that clearly isn't the case. If you are winning, and then all of a sudden you are not, the reason for a loss is the very last thing that happened that caused that winning situation to turn into a losing one. The reason I might get hit by a bus tomorrow is because I decide to cross the street without looking both ways, not because of something I did last week. Saying Lewis lost it because of something that happened months ago is just dumb, because quite clearly that's not the case because he was about to win despite it. The loss is simply down the Masi's decision, because without that decision it was not going to be a loss.



Except it isn't. The rules literally state that in that scenario the race would have finished under the safety car which would make Lewis the winner. So it's not blatantly false at all, or void of logic. It's the literal interpretation of the rules. The situation was they were level on points and in a situation where the rulebook placed Lewis as the winner of the race. End of story. If the rules were followed then Lewis forgetting his brake magic in Baki would not be the reason he lost, because he would have won. You're describing factors for why Lewis went into the race level on points instead of ahead, not reasons why Lewis lost the title. Lewis was about to win the title until the rule book was torn up, thus the reason he lost was because of that. That does not negate 95% of the season at all, it just frames it properly in that the season set up the finale which came down to the result of one race. You are advocating for the equivalent of losing the premier league to a blatantly disgraceful decision in the last minute of the league and saying the reason we lost is because De Gea didn't come off his line 8 months ago to collect a ball on a cold Tuesday night against Stoke. That's just farcical because everybody in the sport makes mistakes at all times that balance each other out. Lewis is not making mistakes where Verstappen is not and vice versa. Those things explain why they went into the race level on points, not why they lost the title. If the roles were reversed and it was Verstappen that was fecked over in that manner and any Hamilton fan said that Verstappen lost the title because of something he did 6 months ago they'd be laughed out of the thread.
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I think the issue here is you guys are talking somewhat at cross purposes. Yes, a world title is of course won over the course of a season but when something so egregious occurs in the last race its churlish to not point to it.

If we were to consider a game of football representing the F1 season, you could argue the two slides have slugged out a 2-2 draw, both sides have missed some chances but they've played each other to a standstill. Then in the 95th minute one side gets a phantom goal that doesn't cross the line. Its 100% natural for the losing fans to say the phantom goal cost them the game and of course the winning fans could point to missed chances costing the losers the game. But the difference is the missed chances are part of the game and both sides missed chances (just like both Max and Lewis had good drives, had bad drives, made mistakes etc.) whereas the phantom goal is outside the laws of the game so has to draw greater weight.

We all will point to shit that's gone against our teams (Scholes' disallowed goal against Mourinho's Porto, the hand of God, Nani's red card against Madrid, Ronaldinho's lob against Seaman etc.), but I doubt many of us say "well we lost that across the duration of the game", its always the big moments that will live on, and the Masi direction was a massive moment that will define the 2021 season forever.
 
The Red Bull looks quite different in a few areas around the side and rear plus matched McLaren on front suspension and front nose. I reckon they may even start slow but will have a lot of potential to unlock. Newey has clearly put his stance on the regs early on!

I’m still concerned that Merc have that Brazil/fresh engine upgraded to run at peak power for longer. I don’t think Honda would’ve done much because they brought their engine upgrade forwards last year and I expect Ferrari to catch up but not surpass Merc.

Imagine we start where we left off, Hamilton (better engine, good aero) and Max (better aero, good engine) way out in front of everyone else. I don’t think I could do it again…
 
christy87 said:
What are the odds the Russian GP will be cancelled
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It'll depend on the sanctions to a degree, whether teams can actually physically get there. Morally, the FIA is questionable.
 
If FIA don't cancell it and FIFA doesn't cancel St.Petersburg they are morally completely corrupt.

I give either a 5% chance of cancellation.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
It has to be, there is no chance it can go ahead.
If FIA don't cancel it, can the teams boycott it ?
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It has to be cancelled, from twitter it looks like turkey could be the replacement as they were advertising tickets for it yesterday, they would also be kicked from the WC qualifications and CL final.
 
Perez suffers gearbox failure on day 2 of testing and alot of teams are struggling with porposing. Mercedes particularly suffering from it. Link at bottom explaining "porposing".

One thing that was mentioned is that as ground effect is so important to the cars, teams cant afford damage to the undertray of the cars therefore less likely this season that they will be riding curbs our going off track for a better racing line. Which is a good thing, as i hate it when they dont stay within the boundaries of the race track.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-the-old-ground-effect-obstacle-facing-f1-teams/
 
dinostar77 said:
Perez suffers gearbox failure on day 2 of testing and alot of teams are struggling with porposing. Mercedes particularly suffering from it. Link at bottom explaining "porposing".

One thing that was mentioned is that as ground effect is so important to the cars, teams cant afford damage to the undertray of the cars therefore less likely this season that they will be riding curbs our going off track for a better racing line. Which is a good thing, as i hate it when they dont stay within the boundaries of the race track.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-the-old-ground-effect-obstacle-facing-f1-teams/
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You have to wonder whether this was noticeable in simulations. Enough teams suffering you'd think someone noticed the ride height changing?
 
oates said:
You have to wonder whether this was noticeable in simulations. Enough teams suffering you'd think someone noticed the ride height changing?
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Apparently you cant simulate for this, as it varies track to track. I was surprised.
 
slyadams said:
I think the issue here is you guys are talking somewhat at cross purposes. Yes, a world title is of course won over the course of a season but when something so egregious occurs in the last race its churlish to not point to it.

If we were to consider a game of football representing the F1 season, you could argue the two slides have slugged out a 2-2 draw, both sides have missed some chances but they've played each other to a standstill. Then in the 95th minute one side gets a phantom goal that doesn't cross the line. Its 100% natural for the losing fans to say the phantom goal cost them the game and of course the winning fans could point to missed chances costing the losers the game. But the difference is the missed chances are part of the game and both sides missed chances (just like both Max and Lewis had good drives, had bad drives, made mistakes etc.) whereas the phantom goal is outside the laws of the game so has to draw greater weight.

We all will point to shit that's gone against our teams (Scholes' disallowed goal against Mourinho's Porto, the hand of God, Nani's red card against Madrid, Ronaldinho's lob against Seaman etc.), but I doubt many of us say "well we lost that across the duration of the game", its always the big moments that will live on, and the Masi direction was a massive moment that will define the 2021 season forever.
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I agree with that, well put.
 
great slow mo explaining the situation

 
Interesting how today's event will affect Haas now. Driver, sponsor and even livery has a Russian flag on it.

Edit. As I'm typing this, Uralkali branding has been taken off the car for the final Barcelona testing.
 
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