If you are Max you stick with Newey.
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What they were expecting was that a car should be able to follow another car very closely for lap after lap without having to completely ruin its tires, which is exactly what has happened. I don't really know what you expected but the reason we don't get 10+ cars within 10sec of each other for an entire stint is because F1 isn't a spec racing series with somewhat equal drivers, there's a big difference between the front runners, midfield and back markers, both in terms of equipment and drivers.
You only need to look at the driver pairs in RB and Ferrari to see that even when drivers are given equal cars they are still not following each other around the track like they're stuck together because drivers, tactics, fuel management etcetc comes into play. With that said, you can look at any race so far and see several cars following much, much closer to the car in front for a lot longer and more often compared to previous seasons.
We still have an over reliance on DRS to provide the racing and overtakes, everything pitched on these regulations was to promote much closer racing and overtakes without it. I imagine in the next couple of years we'll see some refinement, but the jury is still out for me.
Controversial post coming up... Max is good but is he great.. How can LeClerc have more poles than him over their careers
We forget Seb won 4 World titles and dominated an era but even that isn't enough for the majority to place amongst the greats.
Ferrari 2019 car was great in quali as is their car this year.
Max has also had two good quali cars. Last years being a a stronger quali car than this year's.
Then another thing against your point would be the shear amount of Max wins versus Leclerc. In fact Max has won more races from Leclerc poles than Leclerc has himself.
Race setup and performance is almost always more important than quali anyway. Bar Monaco really.
Max's performances pretty much always get the most out of the car he is given. That's all you can ask from any driver. His consistency since 2020 season has been crazy where he would come second to Bottas who had a vastly superior car.
Max has got top 3 or DNFd in every race bar 2 in the last 3 seasons.
And Hungary he could do nothing about with Bottas destroying half his car.
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I hope you’re right, but I think those days could be gone. Everything the drivers do is completely micro managed from the pits and the data they have access to is so much better. If a driver is losing time on a certain corner, they will be told exactly what to do, what engine mode to use, how to adjust the balance etc.
That’s before you even think about things like all the racing simulation that they have access to now before even stepping into the car, as well as how much stricter the overtaking rules are, and I’m sure there’s a lot more that can be listed.
It’s not to say that the changes won’t help things, I’m sure they will. But it’ll never go back to how it was before these innovations in my opinion.
Steady on. I could have sworn he mentioned food and then caught himself.
Phasing out DRS was a long term goal and this first season was always going to be an evaluation period to see how things worked, so to say that we're "still" relying on DRS is a bit unfair I think when we're only 8 races into the first season. You have to consider that coming up with a completely new set of regs that fixes everything in an instant while still giving the teams the freedom to build their own car is extremely difficult, especially without any real world testing, so I think we need to give them time to figure things out.
Will be interesting to see if Alonso can create a train again. Perhaps it would be useful for Leclerc to bunch up the front runners?
We are still relying on DRS though, there's no point avoiding the elephant in the room. Ferrari drivers in Saudi Arabia were saying races would be very boring without DRS, although the new regs has given them some more predictability in the corners when racing. Like I said, the jury is still out for me and if we're not seeing improved racing by 2024 then I'll be confident in calling the new regulations a failure in it's objective. As it stands, we're seeing similar racing to 2021 with a shuffle in the pack that new regulations bring, but in terms of the actual racing then it's no change for me. The one saving grace I have in the back of my head is that we've only really been at street circuits so far in the season, once we start getting to the proper dedicated race circuits I'm hopeful the longer sweeping corners (as opposed to the 90 degree corners on street circuits) that those circuits provide might lend itself to some better action.
The key point being ignored here is also the sheer size of these cars. You might think it doesn’t have a big impact outside of circuits like Monoco, but it actually does. Also the lack of overall durability. Knock a tiny part off your wing and you could be losing half a second a lap. And a tiny touch is often enough for that to happen. All of this plays into how drivers race, with a much more overall cautious attitude. Reliance on DRS is as much a function of these factors too, because drivers know if they have any pace advantage, what’s the point in risking it at all at any other part of the track than wait for the DRS zone?
The fact it exists is also why we are over-reliance on it.
The fact it exists is also why we are over-reliance on it.
I wonder if they'll test switching it off for a few GPs?
I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea. But it’s F1, it’ll take years to agree to which circuit as presumably someone will be at a disadvantage without it!
Haha, made me laugh cause it’s true.
Yeaaaah, my bad
Hah no worries mate - for a second was confused whether you thought that gap was far too small or large and was curious as to your reasoning!
What time is this on?
7pm UK start, coverage begins at 5.30pm on Sky F1
Thanks!
Question today isn’t whether Max can win but how many he can lap I feel sadly!
What’s the weather forecast for the race today?
What’s the weather forecast for the race today?
Looks sunny but not a scorcher all day
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news...=skf1fb&utm_source=FBAUTOFEED&utm_medium=SKF1
... coming from a driver of the team which puts their drivers in worst situation health vise just to gain some performance. How hypocritical...
So how far do we think the Haas' will drop today? They don't really have the speed on the straights, and with the likes of Leclerc, Perez and Russell behind them, it is inevitable that they will drop spots. Would love to see them both score points, but my guess would be K-Mag dropping to between 8th and 10th and Mick dropping out of the points.
I’d expect the drivers you mentioned to get past. But I don’t think the other teams will breeze past quite that easy. If they race well, manage their tyres, and get a good strategy from their team, I think they’ve both got a great chance of staying in the points. Right at the tail of the points though. It’ll be close.
Please explain what this means for us common folk?!
As in, implications, if any, other than what it might suggest about wear/ problemsHamilton almost as quick as Max in the speed traps. Mercedes are running the thinnesst rear wing on the grid for this gp.
Nothing untoward, just parts changed with FIA agreement under parc fermme. Im surprised that others changed parts as i thought it would be limited to those who crashed yesterday i.e. albion, russell and perezPlease explain what this means for us common folk?!
Yeah, strategy is the other thing. We have seen Haas come up with some strange tactics this season, but this time they probably need to take the low risk approach given their starting spot. Will be interesting to see how well they start too. K-Mag typically gets off really well, whereas I think Mick tends to drop a place or two in the beginning.
Yeah, should have mentioned the start as well, good point. Losing places at the start will be problematic. They almost need to work together to keep their spots, although never gonna happen. If either loses a couple places at the start then I think that’d be them out the points.
Glad to see Danica Patrick get more exposure as a analyst. She is pretty good at it.
Yeah. I'm really not liking how Merc and other teams are handling this. None of it is passing the sniff test.
I'm not avoiding it, DRS is still essential for overtakes and I agree that it would be much better if it wasn't, but no one said that the new regs would make DRS obsolete immediately. Implementing new regs that makes overtaking easier and more common while at the same time removing the one thing from the regs that makes overtaking easier and more common is incredibly hard, and calling them out now with an "well if they haven't figured it out in 2 years time then they've failed" seems a bit premature.
F1 is also still going to be F1 where there are quite large gaps between the front runners, midfield and back markers, and again gaps within those groups during races depending on a ton of different things. It's never going to be a spec racing series with 10 cars within 10sec of each other for an entire stint with passes every lap, and just because you're able to follow more closely now doesn't necessarily mean you will eventually overtake as you need to actually be faster than the guy in front to do that. The new regs (with no DRS) only makes you able to stay closer for longer without ruining your tires, it doesn't make you faster than the car in front.
With all that said, there were more than twice as many overtakes in Saudi Arabia this year compared to last for example, and I definitely don't think that the we're seeing similar racing to 2021 unless we're only looking at the final standings after the races, so agree to disagree on that one.
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Grid walk, most exiting part of most races.
Should be a good race today, this track is decent for overtaking.
Barring mishaps Max is going to win, Leclerc will be slicing though the field with his new engine, don't think a podium is on the cards, but I can see him getting 4th or 5th.
Barring mishaps Max is going to win, Leclerc will be slicing though the field with his new engine, don't think a podium is on the cards, but I can see him getting 4th or 5th.
Is Martin being extra nice cause he’s in Canada?
Hopefully a safety car or 2 to make it a bit exciting at the front of the race
I much prefer Brundle on the grid compared to the others, he's obviously liked and respected by a few of the drivers and others in F1.
Alonso took more than anybody from the wet qualifying, I don't see him lasting at the front too long, I see Seinz taking him on lap one , maybe even turn one, but Alonso is difficult to pass, I think Max will be happy if he did what he did in the last race, hold up the cars behind him.