F1 2021 Season

Porsche and Audi will reportedly have a seat at the table of an F1 engine manufacturers meeting that is scheduled to take place at the Red Bull Ring next Saturday.

Formula 1's stakeholders and the FIA have yet to finalise the sport's engine plans for its next regulation cycle that is set to begin in 2025.

Grand Prix racing's future power unit isn't expected to be a big departure from its current format, although there are plans to lower the level of sophistication of the units as well as their costs while retaining, or indeed increasing, the PU's hybrid component.

It is also expected that the engine of the future will be fed with fully sustainable fuels, as the overall package aims to satisfy the sport's sustainability and carbon neutral objectives as well as safeguard a semblance of relevancy with the automobile industry's road cars.


According to Motorsport Week, next Saturday's meeting will bring together next year's four F1 manufacturers that will represented by Daimler boss Ola Källenius, Ferrari's John Elkann, Renault CEO Luca di Meo and Red Bull's Dietrich Mateschitz.

Formula One chief executive Stefano Domenicali, motorsport boss Ross Brawn and FIA president Jean Todt will also attend the meeting.

But Porsche CEO Oliver Blume and Audi's Markus Duesman are reportedly also expected to have a seat at the table although its uncertain whether they will take part in the discussions or simply attend the talks as observers, which both companies have done in the past.

Periodically, there have been rumors of Porsche and Audi's involvement in F1, especially when both companies scaled back their racing activities in the wake of the Volkswagen Group's Dieselgate scandal.

However, Porsche and Audi have since announced plans to return with works teams to the World Endurance Championship, while Porsche's partnership with Penske will extend to the IMSA series in the U.S.
 
Buster15 said:
But you can estimate the true speed of the car by saying that it is probably somewhere in between the two drivers.
What I was pointed out was that Hamilton was extracting more performance out of the car and Bottas less. And so, it is reasonable to argue that the true speed of the car is slower than Hamilton and faster than Bottas.
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I don't know what you mean by true speed. Or I do, but it's just an average of how fast these two specific drivers are capable of driving the car, not an estimation of how fast the car is (especially in comparison to another car). How fast the Merc is doesn't change just because Bottas isn't able to keep up with Lewis, so all you're really saying is that Lewis can drive the car faster than Bottas.

Lewis and Max are driving closer to their cars maximum potential than their team mates which means their times are the most accurate representations of how fast the cars are. It's not a perfectly accurate representation since in theory either driver could be getting more out of a slower car, but I think it's pretty safe to say that both of them are very close to extracting the max from each car.


Fluctuation0161 said:
Assuming Max is getting 100%. The car may be capable of even more. Max said as much about his qualifying lap.
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I think that's more a case of him pointing out that even though he didn't do a perfect lap he still got pole, not that he's not capable of driving the car as fast as it can go.
 
Zlaatan said:
I don't know what you mean by true speed. Or I do, but it's just an average of how fast these two specific drivers are capable of driving the car, not an estimation of how fast the car is (especially in comparison to another car). How fast the Merc is doesn't change just because Bottas isn't able to keep up with Lewis, so all you're really saying is that Lewis can drive the car faster than Bottas.

Lewis and Max are driving closer to their cars maximum potential than their team mates which means their times are the most accurate representations of how fast the cars are. It's not a perfectly accurate representation since in theory either driver could be getting more out of a slower car, but I think it's pretty safe to say that both of them are very close to extracting the max from each car.




I think that's more a case of him pointing out that even though he didn't do a perfect lap he still got pole, not that he's not capable of driving the car as fast as it can go.
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But I am talking about the Mercedes team and the Red Bull team's ability to produce the fastest car for both their drivers.
Anyway, it is academic.
 
So will RB's ongoing developments this year hurt their car next season once the big changes kick in?
Are they seeing this as an 'all or nothing' type of year?
 
GeorgieBoy said:
So will RB's ongoing developments this year hurt their car next season once the big changes kick in?
Are they seeing this as an 'all or nothing' type of year?
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Thats a good question, it does look like RB have thrown everything at this season, but I think next season RB and Merc will still be the ones fighting it out, but with a few other teams close on their hels.
 
Buster15 said:
But I am talking about the Mercedes team and the Red Bull team's ability to produce the fastest car for both their drivers.
Anyway, it is academic.
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But Bottas isn’t slower because of Merc’s (in)ability to build the fastest car possible for both drivers, he’s slower simply because he’s a worse driver and is therefore not a good representation of the speed the car is capable of.

The fact that Russel showed he could drive the Merc faster than Bottas even though they didn’t build the car for him is further proof of that.
 
James Allison has confirmed, counter to what totto said there will be some car and engine updates coming to the 2021 Mercedes.

Also for past few races RB have been running new Exxon-Mobil oil mixture, which may account for the improved engine performance.
 
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Thats a good question, it does look like RB have thrown everything at this season, but I think next season RB and Merc will still be the ones fighting it out, but with a few other teams close on their hels.
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Surely it must be possible for these organisations to find loopholes or even hide investment into future systems.

What is stopping tben from doing research "off the books" on next year's car while working on developing this years car "officially" ?
 
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Fluctuation0161 said:
Surely it must be possible for these organisations to find loopholes or even hide investment into future systems.

What is stopping tben from doing research "off the books" on next year's car while working on developing this years car "officially" ?
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I don't get that either, must be an absolute nightmare for FIA to control all that.
 
Is anyone here going to Silverstone? Just after some advice for the flow tests, not sure how to do it for two people with one phone
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Is anyone here going to Silverstone? Just after some advice for the flow tests, not sure how to do it for two people with one phone
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I'm not sure how it works for Silverstone specifically so they may have specific rules, but generally you enter the results initially into the NHS website (link from the app) and scan in the test number plus the details of the person who had the test.

You can then put the test batch numbers in the app. With two people and one phone I'm not sure, but after you receive the text notification back from entering them on the website , maybe just put both test numbers in the app as the person who took the test is linked via the test result entered on the website?
 
Sorted now, far more straight forward than I initially though, I’ll delete previous posts as they’re not really anything to do with f1.
 
Austrian GP FP
Max again in FP1.
Austrian GP Practice One Timesheet
DriverTeamTime
1) Max VerstappenRed Bull1:05.143
2) Charles LeclercFerrari+0.266
3) Carlos SainzFerrari+0.288
4) Valtteri BottasMercedes+0.302
5) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri+0.331
6) Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo+0.443
7) Lewis HamiltonMercedes+0.566
8) Sergio PerezRed Bull+0.583
9) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri+0.583
10) Lando NorrisMcLaren+0.737
11) Esteban OconAlpine+0.837
12) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren+1.038
13) Lance StrollAston Martin+1.060
14) Guanyu ZhouAlpine+1.271
15) Sebastian VettelAston Martin+1.301
16) Callum IlottAlfa Romeo+1.421
17) Mick SchumacherHaas+1.440
18) Roy NissanyWilliams+1.540
19) Nicholas LatifiWilliams+1.835
18) Nikita MazepinHaas+2.173

Lewis has the upper hand in FP2

Austrian GP Practice Two Timesheet
DriverTeamTime
1) Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:04.523
2) Valtteri BottasMercedes+0.189
3) Max VerstappenRed Bull+0.217
4) Lance StrollAston Martin+0.616
5) Sebastian VettelAston Martin+0.745
6) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri+0.833
7) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri+0.856
8) Fernando AlonsoAlpine+0.870
9) Lando NorrisMcLaren+0.943
10) Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo+0.988
11) Sergio PerezRed Bull+0.993
12) Esteban OconAlpine+1.004
13) Carlos SainzFerrari+1.097
14) Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo+1.101
15) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren+1.175
16) Charles LeclercFerrari+1.185
17) George RussellWilliams+1.296
18) Mick SchumacherHaas+1.388
19) Nicholas LatifiWilliams+1.491
20) Nikita MazepinHaas+1.650
 
Is it the same track as last week? I'm confused with all the double/triple header and them just randomly renaming the tracks for what looks like the exact same track sometimes.
 
Lewis was always going to sign.
New cars next season , I think he will have had a massive imput with it, he will be desperate to race in it.
Bottas I think may sign a new contract also, he will have also had huge imput in the new car.
2 drivers who know how each other work.
 
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