Yeah thanks? Im obviously aware of that. Nonetheless all through practice the RB race pass was actually better than their qualifying relatively to Merc, so yeah, my statement still stands.
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Think similar. It wasn’t really the tow that made the lap, as Karun’s side by side showed. It was the stability and grip in sector 3.
I don't think the mediums are a big advantage in the race, because the only tyre related comments i recall have been about temperature, right?
I can't remember anyone over the weekend complaining about graining or anything like that, or am I wrong here?
I can't remember anyone over the weekend complaining about graining or anything like that, or am I wrong here?
This should make for an interesting finale. P1 on softs vs P2 on mediums. Strategy will play a huge part during the race. Looking forward to it.
58 laps... how many laps will a hard stretch to before its buggered?
I really wish I’d put some money on Max when he was 2/1 to win the WC after last weeks race. Neck and neck with the bookies now
You have 570 some posts and almost all of them are you throwing your toys out the pram about Max in some way or other. Are you sure you wouldn't be happier in the Xbox vs PS thread?
I guess you have to give the props for knowing their audience.
The lack of self awareness is incredible! I reckon you might actually fail a Turing test!
It's accurate. He really is being a whiny, arrogant dickhead in that interview.
The lack of self awareness is incredible! I reckon you might actually fail a Turing test!
Maybe you should make a Max vs Lewis fanboy thread for next season and you two can keep all of your ranting in there. Keep the F1 thread for F1 fans.
The irony is brilliant.You have 570 some posts and almost all of them are you throwing your toys out the pram about Max in some way or other. Are you sure you wouldn't be happier in the Xbox vs PS thread?
I think a little reflection on your own posting would serve you better than counting mine.
Can we just stop with the nonsense already? It’s quite clear that none of you will ever find ground to agree on, life would be so much easier and better if you all just ignored each other.
Looking at race pace sim in FP2, I think Max could quite comfortably run away with this. The only hope for Merc is that the drop in pace in sector 3 was due to getting the tyres in the right window vs raw grip between the two. If it’s the former, then on race day it shouldn’t have the same impact.
One surprising thing is the straight line speed of RB. They’ve run a small wing. Which on softs which have more grip, might be manageable. Merc have to hope that on the harder compounds, they have a big speed advantage where the lack of tyre grip is amplified by the lower downforce set up which RB are running to have pace on the straights.
It’s definitely looking in RBs favour, but never know.
One surprising thing is the straight line speed of RB. They’ve run a small wing. Which on softs which have more grip, might be manageable. Merc have to hope that on the harder compounds, they have a big speed advantage where the lack of tyre grip is amplified by the lower downforce set up which RB are running to have pace on the straights.
It’s definitely looking in RBs favour, but never know.
Looks like 2 stops for Max and 1 stop for Lewis then?
It does look like this is Max's to lose, Red Bull are much craftier as a team and they seem to have the speed advantage here too.
The only question is about whether the softs can hold up, Lewis needs to hope that they can't.
Yeah, throughout the year Red Bull have simply been more astute in terms of strategy and tactics. Don’t think the tow made a big difference today, but throughout the season it’s usually felt like Merc are strategically off the pace.
The split strategy does make it interesting. If Max stays ahead of Lewis at the start, he could pull away on that softer tyre early doors. The challenge for RB is that they almost need to commit to a direction right at the start. Either Max pushes and they commit to a 2 stop, in which case he can build the gap. Or they go for trying for a 1 stop and in that case he might not pull away to preserve the tyres. There is a fair bit of risk in both cases though.
The Dutch media hype, nay, indoctrination to make us love Max is reaching insane levels. I'm bombarded from all sides by it at work, in traffic, in the fecking supermarkt, everywhere. Most of my friends have fallen for it and bought Zandvoort tickets for nearly 700 euro's a piece. It's madness.
Before today (and the past 3 races) my head says Merc will win.
Anything can happen this season and I would still love Merc to lose for Max & Honda to get a win after Merc’s ridiculous dominance.
It has turned sour though, I’d love for them both to ram into each other and both get disqualified from the championship.
I’m already looking forward to next year with the new regs and a few other drivers involved.
Anything can happen this season and I would still love Merc to lose for Max & Honda to get a win after Merc’s ridiculous dominance.
It has turned sour though, I’d love for them both to ram into each other and both get disqualified from the championship.
I’m already looking forward to next year with the new regs and a few other drivers involved.
Aye, it's insane. I've even spoken to some old posh lady friends of my mother, the type who are married to a former professor or doctor and normally only care about art and classical music concerts, who've been completely riled up and excited about this F1 season.I guess that's what you get when your national football team sucks big time for almost a decade, and the only other 'sport' you're good at as a nation is schaatsen. Luckily everything closes at 17:00 hr because of lockdown and it's freezing cold outside, because Max might not win it tomorrow, and in a normal world I could definitely see all these 50 year old bald guys with beer bellies wearing Red Bull shirts as casual clothing going ballistic if he'd lose.
God, Prost was just shown on the BBC news sport piece.
Looks about 80 and his nose has grown even more!
Looks about 80 and his nose has grown even more!
That’s one of the best auto-corrects I’ve seen in a while
Completely agree with this. Red Bull race pace was looking very solid.
I have the impression that Red Bull setup was tailored towards race pace rather than qualifying, hence the low drag profile. So it’s quite surprising that Max got pole by such a large margin. Just a mega lap from Max and great strategy by Red Bull with the tow. I think Mercedes will be scratching their heads about how a car that was 4tenths faster finished 4tenths behind.
A lot still in the balance tomorrow, should be a scintillating race and you can never count out Lewis. If there’s anyone who can pull it out the bag when the cards are stacked against them it’s him.
I have a sneaky suspicion RB always intended on running the soft to start the race, despite what they say. They did a lot of race sim on the soft which is quite unusual.
Ffs, I keep meaning to turn it off on my workphone.That’s one of the best auto-corrects I’ve seen in a while
Great strategy from RB in q3, however I'd rather be in Mercedes position of being on the Mediums and being able to do a one stop. Longest pitlane of the season as well.
Just feel like Max has got it. Track position. Pace for pace he can match the Merc.
Me too. Unless the tyre situation (being on softs) really has a big impact, on raw pace he should be able to stay out in front.
Nah I think this is Lewis'. Better flexibility on strategy starting on the harder tyre. More consistent driver.
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Gonna be interesting to see how the two strategies play out
I think the perfect scenario is we get a few laps at the end where one with fresher tyres is chasing the other down ... would certainly be exciting
Gonna be interesting to see how the two strategies play out
I think the perfect scenario is we get a few laps at the end where one with fresher tyres is chasing the other down ... would certainly be exciting
I’m very much in the camp they always intended starting on the soft - mainly because they expected Lewis to be faster than he was - but ruining a set of mediums to do it makes no sense. They could have just sent Max out on softs at the end to “cover” track conditions improving which happens most weeks.
I thought merc might have split strategies and sent botas out in softs
Gonna be interesting to see if they pace bottas to ensure he's going to be a mobile chicane for max when he pits
Also the red bull is fairly good on its tyres... could max pull off a one stop?
If they do go a 2 stop starting in softs and can see max having to pass bottas... whilst Lewis goes full hammertime ... and then at the end possibly fresher tyres on the merc
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RB didnt intend to start both cars on soft. Max said that himself. He flat spotted his only set of mediums in q2 and forced RB to go to softs. Perez was due to start on softs as a split strategy.
You definitely want to be on the Mediums for this race as traditionally the one stop has been the fastest strategy.
You definitely want to be on the Mediums for this race as traditionally the one stop has been the fastest strategy.
Yeah cos Bottas has done so well this season in slowing Max ?
Done more for Max than Perez has.
Perhaps he can brake test him instead... only a 10 second penalty afterall
I agree. It's definitely looking like 2 stopper for Verstappen. The softs wont last long (10-15 laps at most?) while Hamilton will play the long game with the mediums then go hard tyres until the end. Verstappen also doesn't have a fresh set of mediums to use now.
I thought Lewis had the red soft tyres on in q3? Could have sworn I saw them on his car unless I'm going mad
Fastest lap of Q2 dictates what tyre.
Ah thank you, that explains it!
Honestly the whole weekend it looked like the Mercs were way faster than the Red Bulls untill Max all of a sudden pulled off a mega lap in Q3 which somehow shuffled the cards a bit. Still, I thinks this is Hamilton's to lose. He was faster all weekend and the races before. His car is obviously quicker. He starts on the mediums so can go long. I expect him to win.