Like him or not , this is not in question, well I dont think so.
He has broken nearly all the records there is out there to break, he is the best driver of his generation by a long long way.
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Like him or not , this is not in question, well I dont think so.
He has broken nearly all the records there is out there to break, he is the best driver of his generation by a long long way.
Put everyone on the same car we may see he is not best driver of his generation. IMO, Alonso was better.
This sport is so shite sometimes....Lewis/Merc combo is unbeatable/unbearable at times.
So he's second to an all time great, good going.
Except the time they drove the same car, Alonso got his ass spanked so badly.
I would very much prefer that actually.
Would you warm up to him more if he behave like dick and said the others just complete useless sacks?
I do get your point though and i slightly feel the same.
He's fake as hell and it's why I dislike him despite being one of the best drivers of all time.
I hate it as well, the track looks like a huge parking lot with some paint on it. I get that it's very safe, but it's so ugly and awkward looking imo.
Also, congrats to Lewis on winning his 6th world championship.
What was depressing was that Hamilton on used hard tyres was able to set a lap that Vettel could only just beat on new softs
On one lap raw pace Hamilton has no equals. Over the race distance I would agree. Alonso at his peak was the master at race craft and wheel to wheel combats. Hamilton has really matured in it too and never loses any battle. Vettel is a fraud. He is the luckiest driver ever to win 4 title and has been exposed massively at Ferrari.
I don't think there is much difference between Hamilton and Alonso anymore. For me, Hamilton is the best racer of the generation alongside Alonso. I can't think of any other driver of the current generation that is equal to those two.
Agree with this. Alonso and Hamilton are both all-time greats, but I consider Alonso slightly better. Alonso's 2012 season when he dragged a 3rd fastest car, if not 4th (even behind Lotus) to a nearly title was phenomenal. Up there with Schumacher's 96/97/98 seasons.
What’s the view like from the Becketts stand at Silverstone?
As does his team mate...
Totally agree.
He drove exceptionally well today but was unfortunate with a hydraulic problem.
Not sure what is the outcome of the investigation into Danny Ric.
What. Why is Hamilton ability being questioned.
Remember it was him who took the gamble and left Mclaren to go to Mercedes-Benz.
As the Mercedes management say, it is Hamilton who is continually driving the team forward.
If Hamilton was not at Mercedes they would most certainly not be as dominant.
He is the only driver with any charisma.
Excellent. Appreciate the update.
Surely everyone can agree that it’s in the wet that you find out who the best drivers really are. And Hamilton has won the last nine wet races. He is just a phenomenal driver. End of story.
Good, they'll be flying through there at some speed and then full gas onto the Hanger straight.
People are conflating the issues and I find it as maddening as you do. Yes his dominance is boring but don't let that cloud your judgement of how good the guy actually is.
What has happened to Gasly. Not gonna lie, I thought he could be a big deal, after his last season, but he has been hopeless. Verstappen is ruining his career. Speaking of Verstappen, I actually think he has been the best driver this year so far, Red Bull is closer to the midfield than Mercedes, yet he is often beating at least one Ferrari driver in the race. Would love to see him in a merc to battle it out with Lewis, before he slows down.
Rosberg and Bottas have tried and failed.
IMO Alonso was up there with Hamilton. But those 2 drivers are a cut above the rest.
Vettel defo got lucky at Red Bull with those diffusers. He's a good driver. But not elite. Top 4. Equivalent of Spurs maybe.
Alonso and Hamilton were on the same team in 2007. Hamilton looked the better driver even back then despite being a rookie. The last 2 races let him down and let Kimi steal a title.
100% disagree , he is the best I have seen since Senna. Alonso is a distance behind him. But thats just my opinion.
If Alonso had been the favoured driver to the same extent Lewis was that season, McLaren would have pissed that championship in. Instead Ron Dennis fecking ego got the better of him because he wanted his prodigious talent to take the glory in his rookie season.
Kimi didn't steal a title. Up to that point in F1 he had arguably been the fastest driver in the field since 2005. It was a case of him being in the right place at the right time when things inevitably went tits up at McLaren due to Ron's piss poor man management which had been a consistent theme throughout his tenure.
You need only look at the history of McLaren and the times that Ron got a hard on over certain drivers and the eventual clusterfeck it turns into.
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Since this is a British forum, the Hamilton love-in is nauseating. He is an all time great, but let's not pretend he's a GOAT like Schumacher (drag a crappy car to a near title) and Senna (beat fellow ATGs).
Quickest of his generation, but no real competition.
Quickest of his generation, but no real competition.
Well it's looking more and more likely that he'll be taking over Schumacher's records - 12 wins and 2 World Championships away from equalling him as of today. Until then it isn't worth talking about, but after then he definitely has a shout for being talked about as the GOAT.
Statistics dont demonstrate the enormity of what Schumacher achieved at Ferrari (or for that matter, Benneton considering that fight was virtually like today's Renault (Benneton) v today's Mercedes (Williams).
Ferrari were a joke when he signed up. They were quite literally the laughing stock of F1 and their cars were a pile of crap. Alan Prost once described them as a truck and got the arse for it. F1 used to be a very different game before the now uber polished professionalism. Between himself, Ross Brawn, Rory Bryne (who by the way, makes virtually every other f1 designer look second rate) and Jean Todt, they completely changed F1, but he was the major driving force behind it.
I struggle to think of any driver in F1 History who on two occasions, took some average machinery and teams to world championships. Most of the time WDC are in the right place at the right time and hardly jump to fledgling teams to rebuild them. Usually theyre fleeing them before they sink (see Senna at McLaren).
Senna is probably the single most talent driver of all time, but Schumacher was ultimately the complete package of a driver. Hamilton for all his worth, has been beaten by team mates during the peak of his career. Schumacher didn't lose a team mate battle between 92 to 2006 and only when he came back to a very different sport and at age 40 was he beaten again. You can say look at his team mates, but as one of his team mates of the time said, you could put anybody alongside Michael and he still would have beaten them during that period.
See @mariachi-19 post on the topic. He explained it better than I could
Talks of Kyvat heading back to RB in a couple of races...
Just to play devils advocate. He finished third in the Benetton in his first year with the team and the years he won were seriously questioned with numerous allegations of cheating. His main rival for the title also tragically died on the third race of the season.
You also credit him for turning around Ferrari, but don’t give anything to Hamilton for what he has done at Mercedes. They were basically the 4th/5th best team before he joined.
Yes Hamilton hasn’t won a title with a lesser car. But firstly he hasn’t needed to, and secondly it would be almost impossible to now. The cars are designed so differently that literally no one could bring average car to a title now.
Hamilton lost one title in the peak of his career, in a year where everything seemed to go wrong on his car and right on Rosbergs. Not to mention the equal status between the two, unlike what Schumacher had at Ferrari.
I think most people are debating driver of a generation rather than GOAT. In respect to your quote though, you could literally replace the names to Hamilton and Mercedes personnel and it would mean the same. It was when Hamilton replaced Schumacher in the team when they moved from 4th / 5th.
I think it's fair to say that Hamilton is on the same level as Schumi and Senna. All greats and there is no shame in admitting that as a Schumi fan. I don't think there is a quantifiable way of ever determining who was a better driver. The conditions are so different. Each camp will have its own argument but in the end unless you put everyone in the same car at the same time, very difficult to judge. Also different drivers bring different strengths. Schumacher is known to be very good at building these teams, and he was there before Hamilton in Merc which started the development. Senna was supposed to be the ultimate "feel" driver.
What surprises me is Vettel. I don't know if he has regressed or he was never that good in the first place and was just in the right car. He seemed to be up there with the best.
I still think Alonso is as good as the other 3. I know he didn't do it in Ferrari and that will be a big blot for him, but him vs schumi was the last time Formula 1 was exciting.
What surprises me is Vettel. I don't know if he has regressed or he was never that good in the first place and was just in the right car. He seemed to be up there with the best.
I still think Alonso is as good as the other 3. I know he didn't do it in Ferrari and that will be a big blot for him, but him vs schumi was the last time Formula 1 was exciting.
Thank you. You are quite right.
I love F1 as much for the technology as well as the racing.
It isn’t Mercedes fault that Ferrari and Red Bull are so far behind.
People should be annoyed with the opposition, not the team that is doing the winning.
As an English man it is brilliant that we have not only the best driver but easily one of the best of all time.
Come on people. Give Lewis Hamilton the credit that he deserves.
When he finishes he will leave a massive hole in the sport.
In 20 years time, his (Lewis') reputation and status will be stratospheric. Not tempting fate, but already he has achieved enough and is blantantly quick enough week on week to be regarded as probably the quickest driver of all time, if not the most maverick. That he will probably end his career with the most titles and near 100 poles is just mind-boggling. He is under-appreciated but in time, will be universally revered
The sport will probably be dead by the time he finishes, but that's not his fault. Red Bull won 5 in a row due to diffusers, Mercedes winning because of regulations and no competition etc.
The reason some (including me) struggle to put him in the GOAT conversation is that there was no competition. He hasn't done anything as impressive as Schumacher 97, 98 or 2006 IMO. Take a car that's clearly 2nd best (by a long margin) and challenge a really quick rival (Hakkinen / Alonso).
Vettel's been shown up, and Rosberg, Massa and Bottas are hardly tough challenges
Well said and I very much hope that you are right.
It does irk me that people pick on peripheral things like his hair, his rings and watches and his communication with his pit crew.
To me, anything like that is totally irrelevant.
I judge him by his performances in the car which are without parallel.
Just when you think that he is at the very top of his game, he then gets even quicker.
His striving for perfection reminds me of Christiano Ronaldo. Never accepting that there is not room for improvement and he is absolutely relentlessly.
Don't agree at all but you are entitled to you views.
It is always subjective attempting to say who is or was the greatest and frankly irrelevant.
All I know is that having watched motor racing since I was a kid, apart from maybe Ayrton Senna, I am of the opinion that Hamilton is probably the best I have had the pleasure of watching.
His driving skill is outstanding and I like him as a person.