F1 2018 Season

Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Vettel deserved the penalty, but would have Verstappen punished in the same way? I highly doubt. The cnut was laughing his ass off that Vettel got punished after the race.
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Verstappen was, literally, punished for excactly the same offence ON Vettel in China, with excactly the same sanction.

You're laughably blinkered in your worshipping of Seb and your hatred of Max/Lewis.

This coming from someone who doesn't fancy Mercedes at all.
 
marjen said:
Verstappen was, literally, punished for excactly the same offence ON Vettel in China, with excactly the same sanction.

You're laughably blinkered in your worshipping of Seb and your hatred of Max/Lewis.

This coming from someone who doesn't fancy Mercedes at all.
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Thank you. I'm fine with someone being an enthusiastic fan but christ almighty.
 
elmo said:
He doesn't care because he has no motivation to do well if Vettel doesn't do well.

He's there literally to clean up the mess if needed because they aren't winning the constructer's championship if Vettel keeps making tiny mistakes every week and he's definitely not competing in the driver's championship.
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True that to some degree. It goes both ways with Kimi and Vettel. They both better than what they are showing this year. Kimi can easily force his way to Ferrari' priority by race well to his true capability if he want but he rarely shown that so far this season. He is keeping up as their 2nd driver, but thats about it and its a massive understatement to Kimi's talent. Ferrari doesn't help either with their shitty tactic. They should be leading both championship by now.
 
marjen said:
Verstappen was, literally, punished for excactly the same offence ON Vettel in China, with excactly the same sanction.

You're laughably blinkered in your worshipping of Seb and your hatred of Max/Lewis.

This coming from someone who doesn't fancy Mercedes at all.
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I know i am a bit biased, but when you don't a title for 11 years you behave in this way. I am desperate for it.
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
2 out of 3 wins for Hamilton this season has come thanks to Vettel's cock ups.
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so today he won because of Vettel !!!!
on pole lead from start to finish, well almost and yet you say it was due to a Vettel cock up.
Your getting worse , what has Lewis done to you, for such biased hate.
the Merc this weekend has been faster than the Ferrari , just admit it.
 
vangagal said:
True that to some degree. It goes both ways with Kimi and Vettel. They both better than what they are showing this year. Kimi can easily force his way to Ferrari' priority by race well to his true capability if he want but he rarely shown that so far this season. He is keeping up as their 2nd driver, but thats about it and its a massive understatement to Kimi's talent. Ferrari doesn't help either with their shitty tactic. They should be leading both championship by now.
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In terms of tactical/driver cock-ups thus far.

Australia - Mercedes cocking up by miscalculating the pit window.

Bahrain - Ferrari cocking up a pitstop for Kimi, Mercedes possibly cocking up by not pushing hard enough as to allow Vettel to nurse his tires home for a win.

China - Mercedes possibly cocking up by not pitting Lewis - could've cost him a couple of positions. Vettel taken out by no fault of his own, on course for a finish ahead of Hamilton.

Baku - Vettel unlucky with the safety car, then cocking up what could have turned out to be the race win with attacking Bottas too aggressively. Mercedes unlucky with Bottas getting the puncture.

Spain - Possible Ferrari cock-up with pitting Vettel, allowing Max past him - can't remember excactly? Mercedes dominant either way.

Monaco - No one really cocking up except for Verstappen in quali. Red Bull simply faster on the day.

Canada - No one really cocking up, Mercedes forced into early Hamilton pitstop which let Ricciardo past him.

France - Vettel cocking up through his own fault. Mercedes flawless, Ferrari pretty flawless tactically as well all things considered, bringing Kimi home in 3rd even though he started on the ultras.


So, in essence, I'm not really sure Ferrari's "shitty" tactics are that much to blame. In my view, a couple of driver's mistakes from Vettel and the unlucky Verstappen take-out have cost him.

Lewis, for all the talk of him driving poorly, has pretty much maxed out his points in terms of what pace he had at every single weekend - made no big mistakes and made his opportunities count.

Vettel, in what seems the better car this season, hasn't, and pays the price.

I still imagine it'll be close. Austria should see Ferrari and Merc neck to neck, same with Silverstone, and in Hungary the Ferrari's should have the upper hand.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
so today he won because of Vettel !!!!
on pole lead from start to finish, well almost and yet you say it was due to a Vettel cock up.
Your getting worse , what has Lewis done to you, for such biased hate.
the Merc this weekend has been faster than the Ferrari , just admit it.
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I reckon he is a great driver. I just don't like his shitty attitude.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
FFS what about Seb and his shitty attitude , Kimi and his even WORSE shitty attitude, come on take the glasses off and see reality
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Every great driver has a shitty attitude, but there is something that makes ne hate Hamilton more. I really don't know why.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
so today he won because of Vettel !!!!
on pole lead from start to finish, well almost and yet you say it was due to a Vettel cock up.
Your getting worse , what has Lewis done to you, for such biased hate.
the Merc this weekend has been faster than the Ferrari , just admit it.
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Is the main rival for Ferrari. How do you feel about Salah and Klopp? :D
 
Lauda: "5 seconds are not enough as penalty".

Yeah, should have put him in jail. Don't remember such a big complain when Verstappen takes the other drivers out.
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Lauda: "5 seconds are not enough as penalty".

Yeah, should have put him in jail. Don't remember such a big complain when Verstappen takes the other drivers out.
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Are you serious?

Verstappen's spent the season answering questions and people (including you) were screaming for him to get a race ban! :lol::lol:

It was a quite bizarre error on Vettel's part to be fair. And 5 seconds for ruining the P2-runner's race isn't really severe IMO.
 
marjen said:
Are you serious?

Verstappen's spent the season answering questions and people (including you) were screaming for him to get a race ban! :lol::lol:

It was a quite bizarre error on Vettel's part to be fair. And 5 seconds for ruining the P2-runner's race isn't really severe IMO.
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The problem is that i don't see Lauda being so angry when Verstappen makes a big mistake.

I don't complain too much though, as i know Ferrari is very hated. It happens to the best ;)
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
The problem is that i don't see Lauda being so angry when Verstappen makes a big mistake.

I don't complain too much though, as i know Ferrari is very hated. It happens to the best ;)
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Probably because Verstappen didn't take out one of Lauda's drivers, and as such, no one asking Lauda about it?...

I prefer Ferrari over Mercedes and don't care much about Hamilton, but today, Vettel screwed up. People criticizing him for it isn't excactly hating Ferrari, it's stating the obvious.

Anyway, away from the championship battle: What on earth is happening at McLaren? The season is a write-off for sure, they basically admit to having no clue about their car's shortcomings, Alonso looks gone from F1... What do they do?

Paying Ricciardo a shitload of money solves nothing. I would start with getting rid of Brown, Boullier and the rest of the management.
 
Fantasy League Race 8 France
Standings after Race 8 France

jd94 continues his stay at the top, but his lead is cut to a mere 69 points :lol:
Redfish climbs a couple of places to 2nd, Team Skytrain goes from 6th to 3rd

1st jd094 Mirror, Signal, Maldonado 676 X
2nd screech44 Redfish-Alfa 607 X
3rd vangagal Team Skytrain 603 X
4th giggsy92 TeamRocket 595 X
5th 17larsson Buzzing and Hornets 583 X
6th muhhaa FC Romantika 582 X
7th evan7788 altodevil86 577 X
8th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 574 X
9th dargonk Dargon's crew 570 X
10th venkman Toyoda 557 X
11th eric cartman Cartman 557 X
12th seb_87 Red_Sky_87 544 X
13th hephaestus Horizon F1 543 X
14th impulse Team 3 535 X
15th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 512 X
16th muller7uk Muller Motorsport 494 X
17th dpansheth Rock 379 X

Next race is Austria on the 29th Lights out at 14:10 ( UK Time)
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
I was referring to Lauda's words ;)
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You weren't really though. Lauda was literally saying that the smallest possible penalty is a small one considering that it sent a guy from second to last and damaged his car in such a way that he struggled to recover. That's it. He pointed out there are other penalties available (including simply longer time penalties, drive-throughs and full stop-go penalties etc) which is again correct, yet you are trying so hard to pretend that he is being unreasonable and that he wants Vettel in jail.

For the record, agree with the penalty especially since it is consistent with similar incidents in the past. But Lauda's comments are perfectly logical and the only person overreacting in this whole situation is you.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Standings after Race 8 France

jd94 continues his stay at the top, but his lead is cut to a mere 69 points :lol:
Redfish climbs a couple of places to 2nd, Team Skytrain goes from 6th to 3rd

1st jd094 Mirror, Signal, Maldonado 676 X
2nd screech44 Redfish-Alfa 607 X
3rd vangagal Team Skytrain 603 X
4th giggsy92 TeamRocket 595 X
5th 17larsson Buzzing and Hornets 583 X
6th muhhaa FC Romantika 582 X
7th evan7788 altodevil86 577 X
8th pauldyson1uk Billy Jack Racing 574 X
9th dargonk Dargon's crew 570 X
10th venkman Toyoda 557 X
11th eric cartman Cartman 557 X
12th seb_87 Red_Sky_87 544 X
13th hephaestus Horizon F1 543 X
14th impulse Team 3 535 X
15th spwd MANSELLS MOUSTACHE, 512 X
16th muller7uk Muller Motorsport 494 X
17th dpansheth Rock 379 X

Next race is Austria on the 29th Lights out at 14:10 ( UK Time)
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Not doing well.
 
Just popper back into this thread after a while. I see it is still being dominated by the same poster.
 
marjen said:
Probably because Verstappen didn't take out one of Lauda's drivers, and as such, no one asking Lauda about it?...

I prefer Ferrari over Mercedes and don't care much about Hamilton, but today, Vettel screwed up. People criticizing him for it isn't excactly hating Ferrari, it's stating the obvious.

Anyway, away from the championship battle: What on earth is happening at McLaren? The season is a write-off for sure, they basically admit to having no clue about their car's shortcomings, Alonso looks gone from F1... What do they do?

Paying Ricciardo a shitload of money solves nothing. I would start with getting rid of Brown, Boullier and the rest of the management.
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Yeah, i agree with the analysis re Vettel/Bottas incident, but that's the rule, the stewards were consistent, Verstappen moaning about it after 6/7 consecutive accident is stupid. Hamilton/Lauda i understand, it's merely mind games and they are trying to put pressure on Vettel. Other drivers did the same thing and we didn't hear Hamilton giving his tought on them so it's clearly mind games. i think it's fair, i would want Arrivabene and Vettel to do the same if the roles were reversed.
 
Okay, FGP out of the way:

Who holds the advantage at Spielberg and Silverstone?

On the face of it, those two circuits are even more power hungry than Paul Ricard, so should play into Ferrari's hands on the evidence of this season. But then again, we're not really sure how much that Merc PU upgrade has levelled things or whether it has even pushed Merc ahead in terms of pure power.

One thing's for sure though: I think Red Bull will struggle throughout the rest of the season, with possible exceptions at the Hungaroring and in Singapore. Renault won't offer them anything more than the bare minimum I suppose, which is bound to have an effect.
 
marjen said:
Renault won't offer them anything more than the bare minimum I suppose, which is bound to have an effect.
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How lucky are McLaren.. They are going to get something extra from Renault next year, as they'll want to show up RedBull..

It's interesting to see after all the blaming of Honda, they still suck balls.. Maybe they need to get Ron Dennis back..
 
KirkDuyt said:
As a complete F1 noob. Do people mostly support teams over individual drivers?
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Generally speaking, the only team that trumps drivers like hamilton, vettel or alonso for popularity and support is Ferrari
 
kotha said:
How lucky are McLaren.. They are going to get something extra from Renault next year, as they'll want to show up RedBull..

It's interesting to see after all the blaming of Honda, they still suck balls.. Maybe they need to get Ron Dennis back..
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I don't imagine it'll make any difference. It's the aerodynamics on that car that is off. And by their own admission they haven't got any clue what's wrong, and they can't test it in the wind tunnel either. The engine's not horrible, as proven by Red Bull.

But yeah, Red Bull probably won't get the insight they're used to from Renault, naturally. They'll deliver the engines and that's it. You won't see McLaren getting close to RB in terms of performance either way, not this season and not the next.

KirkDuyt said:
As a complete F1 noob. Do people mostly support teams over individual drivers?
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I've not followed F1 for years, not since I was a kid, but because my son has started getting really, really into it (at the age of 3 no less :lol:) I've watched every race this season, getting absorbed in it again.

I don't really have a favourite team, although I've enjoyed Red Bull winning to shake things up, and I find myself not really liking Mercedes for some reason (probably because they've been dominant for years.)

I did fancy Ferrari when I followed F1 in earlier years, less so now.

What I would love is for the field to get tighter together, so that you could have surprise victories from teams outside the top three, and I would certainly like to see more action and overtaking.

In terms of drivers I tend to like the aggressive ones, those who make things happen; Verstappen, Ricciardo, Magnussen. But I also really like Leclerc, he's a future world champion, and I love Alonso even though he's in a shit car.
 
marjen said:
Okay, FGP out of the way:

Who holds the advantage at Spielberg and Silverstone?

On the face of it, those two circuits are even more power hungry than Paul Ricard, so should play into Ferrari's hands on the evidence of this season. But then again, we're not really sure how much that Merc PU upgrade has levelled things or whether it has even pushed Merc ahead in terms of pure power.

One thing's for sure though: I think Red Bull will struggle throughout the rest of the season, with possible exceptions at the Hungaroring and in Singapore. Renault won't offer them anything more than the bare minimum I suppose, which is bound to have an effect.
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They said the next 2 races are close.
 
KirkDuyt said:
As a complete F1 noob. Do people mostly support teams over individual drivers?
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I am a massive Schumacher fanboy so I supported him upon his return.
Apart from that I manage to generally enjoy the races without supporting anybody. Means I don’t have meltdowns like some.

Only exception is about once a decade they hire a mental South American, Maldonado and Montoya being the most recent examples who manage to being absolute dickheads whilst occasionally doing quite well. I like them. If it was up to me Pastor Maldonado and Max Verstappen would be allowed to fit snow ploughs to the front of their vehicles to accommodate their driving needs
 
vangagal said:
True that to some degree. It goes both ways with Kimi and Vettel. They both better than what they are showing this year. Kimi can easily force his way to Ferrari' priority by race well to his true capability if he want but he rarely shown that so far this season. He is keeping up as their 2nd driver, but thats about it and its a massive understatement to Kimi's talent. Ferrari doesn't help either with their shitty tactic. They should be leading both championship by now.
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He’s being paid well to be the second driver. Why shake the boat when he gets along with Seb?

His hunger to be the best is long gone and he’ll just do his job which is to help Seb win the championship.
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
No, it's Vettel who is battling alone with Mercedes and Red Bull without Kimi's help.
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According to you, the guy getting his projected points isn’t doing his job but the one who’s scoring way below his projected points is.

I give up on you. You’re just spoiling the thread every week with stupid rants about every conspiracy against Seb and what not.
 
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