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.....In all seriousness, it's not our biggest need for a CB, but a good player at a good price, should always be welcome IMO
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Only caught the white text when I quoted
.....In all seriousness, it's not our biggest need for a CB, but a good player at a good price, should always be welcome IMO
I remember the summer window when we sign Valencia, De Laat, Owen and Obertan whilst selling Ronaldo!
That was a bad window but this one is shaping up to rival it.
That was a bad window but this one is shaping up to rival it.
If he signs for us it surely means that Vidic is finished.
Lets be honest, if Vidic was 100% recovered from those injuries we wouldn't be spunking twenty odd million on another CB would we?
The Garay deal could be paper talk, but if our interest is genuine it's because we're fecking worried about Vidic.
Lets be honest, if Vidic was 100% recovered from those injuries we wouldn't be spunking twenty odd million on another CB would we?
The Garay deal could be paper talk, but if our interest is genuine it's because we're fecking worried about Vidic.
Or Ferdinand? He isn't getting younger...
Yep. I fully expected us to smash it in the transfer market this summer. Use it as a true statement of intent.
There is still plenty of time to make some key additions to our squad,but the number of genuinely available top class players seems to be getting smaller with each passing week.
Jones is probably the closest CB we have to Vidic, but nobody really knows what Moyes has in store for him yet.
Vidic is 31 now, so it makes sense that we're in the market for a defender like Garay.
Vidic is 31 now, so it makes sense that we're in the market for a defender like Garay.
True, but we are managing Ferdinand's injury issues. Maybe Vidic's can't be managed?
Any how I'm merely speculating mate, so I'm probably way off target.
Thing is, if Vidic is screwed, then we really should be selling him now while he's still got value.Unless we give a season to try and fix his issues and prove like Rio that he can still remain fit.
If Vidic is screwed, why would anyone buy him? It'd be a ludicrous investment.
You can't have 3 of your central defenders so prone to injuries that you need to buy another defender on top of the 5 you already have. It's not even as if Garay would be a significant improvement on what we already have. If you are so unsure of the fitness of more than half the players in a particular position than get rid of them!
Well they don't need to know he's screwed. So long as he passes the medical, which I suppose he could fail on. Either way, my thinking is Moyes will keep pretty much the entire squad for at least 1 year just to limit the disruption and to help him and the staff settle in. They can then assess over the period of a season who needs axing. So I think Vidic basically has 1 season to prove he can play a run of games.
Doesn't vidic's contract expire next summer? I'm sure I read somewhere that it was 2014?
Let me put it in perspective now. We couldn't pay 20M for Thiago, but are paying 17M for a Real Madrid reject, that too when we are already covered in defense?!
We couldn't pay £20m for Thiago?
What is bizarre thing to say. What's wrong with you?
Well, there has to be some reason why we kept on hanging on this till the last moment, and Bayern came in and wrapped him up within 2 days.
Aren't you being a bit limited when trying to think of a reason why the deal wasn't wrapped up?
You think money was the issue? Not the fact that he obviously wanted to go and play for the guy who introduced him to professional football?
Ah you've been on twitter, that's what's wrong with you!
Well, till the time we were negotiating till last week, Bayern were nowhere in the picture. And they suddenly came, and scooped him up.
Anyway, my point wasn't even that. My point was that if we are in for a player, a potentially world class player, why can't we wrap the deal as quickly as possible, without waiting till the last minute that the price might drop, etc.
Aah yes. That is my only source of information.
You're assuming this. For all we know, Bayern may have been well in the picture all along. Don't make assumptions based on disparate bits of information that trickle out of twitter and websites.
Twitter and journos are your only only source of information. And guess what. Journos lie. They make up stuff. They pretend to be ITKs to get muppets clicking.
You can think that United would have signed Thiago if they'd just worked a little harder if it makes you happy. The fact is that Peps brother was only ever taking him to one destination.
Deal with it.
If only!
That's of course not what happened. Guardiola told Rummenigge and Hoeneß already in February that Thiago was his number one on the wish list and he btw never asked them to sign Neymar.
It's save to say that this wasn't a last second swoop in deal from Bayern and considering that Guardiolas brother is the agent of Thiago and Pep I'm sure they will have started talking about a Thiago deal pretty early.
It might even be that Bayern was reluctant to make a move at first and Peps brother leaked the rumors that he was close to signing for us to get Bayern back into the negotiations.
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Our 2 first choice CB's are in their 30's. Our others are in their early 20's. Signing someone in the middle makes complete sense.
Now take the Thiago butthurt somewhere else please.
Bayern have been mentioned in the background of the Thiago deal since the very begginning
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Our 2 first choice CB's are in their 30's. Our others are in their early 20's. Signing someone in the middle makes complete sense.
Now take the Thiago butthurt somewhere else please.
They were important first team players who had injury problems. Without the injuries Madrid wouldnt have wanted to sell them.
Garay was a backup
Also, a day on from apparently signing Garay for the 9th time... Seems we still haven't signed him
Benfica's defense last season:
-------------------Artur---------------------
Maxi Pereira --- Luisão --- Garay --- Melgarejo
Artur is unreliable, Maxi Pereira and Luisão are way past their best and had awfully low periods recently, Melgarejo is a winger who Jesus tried to turn into another Coentrão but can't defend at all.
Garay was the only player keeping that defense together, and for all circumstances, Benfica is a top European team that fought hard against a strong Porto for the League Title (and were ahead up until the last two rounds) and that reached the Europa League final. I see no reason to underrate him just because he comes from a smaller league. He is certainly not the best option around, but he poses a decent compromise between quality and price, and like Eyepopper pointed out he fills the age/experience gap in your defense perfectly.
-------------------Artur---------------------
Maxi Pereira --- Luisão --- Garay --- Melgarejo
Artur is unreliable, Maxi Pereira and Luisão are way past their best and had awfully low periods recently, Melgarejo is a winger who Jesus tried to turn into another Coentrão but can't defend at all.
Garay was the only player keeping that defense together, and for all circumstances, Benfica is a top European team that fought hard against a strong Porto for the League Title (and were ahead up until the last two rounds) and that reached the Europa League final. I see no reason to underrate him just because he comes from a smaller league. He is certainly not the best option around, but he poses a decent compromise between quality and price, and like Eyepopper pointed out he fills the age/experience gap in your defense perfectly.
I think one of the big reasons why people are so against this signing is because of the timing of it. The fact that our main priority and need is a central midfielder (or two) and instead we are "apparently" very close to tying up a deal for a centre back, where we are well-stocked.
However, unfortunately transfers do not work in a linear and logical order of main priority first. Sometimes a player who the club or Manager really are impressed with becomes available and there is an opportunity to sign him - and you have to pounce. I agree with Eyepopper in that he is of a suitable age bracket for the position when you consider our other options in central defence.
I think had we already signed a central midfielder by now, fans would be looking at this possible transfer with a bit more reasoning rather than the apparent dismay.
However, unfortunately transfers do not work in a linear and logical order of main priority first. Sometimes a player who the club or Manager really are impressed with becomes available and there is an opportunity to sign him - and you have to pounce. I agree with Eyepopper in that he is of a suitable age bracket for the position when you consider our other options in central defence.
I think had we already signed a central midfielder by now, fans would be looking at this possible transfer with a bit more reasoning rather than the apparent dismay.
Arruda makes an electrifying point. I believe the reason we have signed him five times by now if we believe twitter and.journos is because during that time we were still stealthily preparing the bid as we often do. Media mistook that as a sign that the deal was to be closed any moment.
only a matter of time before we sign him and together with the flexible Baines and the powertower that is Fellaini we are due a grand campaign in the cl.
only a matter of time before we sign him and together with the flexible Baines and the powertower that is Fellaini we are due a grand campaign in the cl.
Nah. Even if we had signed both Thiago and Strootman by now, looking at this from the fans perspective it still makes very little sense. But the club do know more about our CB's than I do and if they think it's required then let's see how he does
Something must be wrong or amiss with Vidic. Give his injury record over the last 2 seasons it wouldn't be surprised if even if he has fully recovered it's been judged that he's lost a yard or something somewhere along the line.
Again, have seen a minimal amount of him for Benfica. But saw plenty of him in La Liga. Smalling is a CB who has done the basics of the role for us incredibly well since he first signed. On the whole his concentration, positioning, consistancy and his pace have seen him barely make a mistake when playing in the first team. Arguably last season he was slightly less convincing. And he needs to work on his passing and not be picked at right back. Ball playing wise I think Garay is better and will score more goals, even though I think Smalling has the potential to score a fair few himself. But Smalling at his best is everything you need from a straight up CB. Just not currently one to run the ball out of defence and find a teammate in a good position to start the attack like Evans. With only 8 games played at CB in the league last season its no surprise he was rusty and not at his best. If we do sign Garay he'll likely be in the same situation and face similar rustyness.
Jones only got 4 oppertunities as a CB in the league last season. And before last season most people worried a little about his positioning and concentration because in the previous season he did make a few mistakes that led to goals. However in his small amount of games at CB he put in a couple of performances where he looked utterly and completely convincing as a CB. As good as any other CB performances last season as far as I'm concerned. Again it would have been no surprise if he looked rusty with so few games played there, but he didnt. He looked his best so far in a United shirt.
I think its very debatable whether he's better than these two and agree Evans is better. He's obviously still a good CB, we just have no need for one whatsoever at his level. If Vidic goes we need to be looking for someone at Hummels standard, or put our faith in Evans and the younger CBs we've already invested in who have given no reason whatsoever for us not to trust them higher up the pecking order.
Normally I'd ask why he hasnt played more than 15 times for Argentina given defence is their weakest point. But then again its Argentina and they consistantly pick squads and teams that are half as good as they should be so thats no slight on him. Must be politics. But I do raise the point again about Madrid earning so much money from his sale... If he's such a good CB that we should be signing him if there are concerns over Vidic, why arent Madrid signing him to be first choice at half the cost of what we'd have to pay? Talk about a bargain right?
Is it feck. We haven't just sold the best player. We apparently miss out on one Spanish midfielder and it's the end of the world.
If we wanted to move Jones to midfield permanently, which we may have to do if we don't sign at least 2 midfielders by the end of August, while Vidic and Ferdinand won't be able to play more than 30 games in a season which might be the case with their fitness level after injuries and age, then signing another centre half could actually make sense.
I agree, if we do something absolutely retarded like play Jones in midfield then we have room for Garay.
I hope Moyes has more about him than that though.
I could only see us signing a CB like Garay if Rio is retiring
Like Ekeke I know him from La Liga, not from Portugal. He may be a better player now. But I don't see him as a better player than Evans.
If we're signing because of what the coaching staff know, then I hope it's because of what we know about Smalling and Jones. Maybe we now know that, for whatever reason, they'll never be as good as we hoped. I'll be disappointed, but it happens.
If we're signing him as a first XI replacement for Rio or Vidic, ahead of Evans - that's not the player I remember.
Still, if he comes, he comes, and I'll wish him well. I'll even laugh about the price. You pay what you have to pay, not what you want to pay.
If we're signing because of what the coaching staff know, then I hope it's because of what we know about Smalling and Jones. Maybe we now know that, for whatever reason, they'll never be as good as we hoped. I'll be disappointed, but it happens.
If we're signing him as a first XI replacement for Rio or Vidic, ahead of Evans - that's not the player I remember.
Still, if he comes, he comes, and I'll wish him well. I'll even laugh about the price. You pay what you have to pay, not what you want to pay.
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Our 2 first choice CB's are in their 30's. Our others are in their early 20's. Signing someone in the middle makes complete sense.
Now take the Thiago butthurt somewhere else please.
I can't see the first pic, and Sneijder's run just lasted 2 years. And there were other players in that treble winning squad as well. It's not as if he was the only and best player in that team.
There was also van der Vaart, who for all his talent, just wasn't cut out for big teams. And the same can be said about Garay. Might be a good player for a mid tier team, but never for a top tier club.
There in lies your difference.