That's not true at all. Plenty of players showed at least some promise and usefulness. Just because someone had as hit season and needs replacing it doesn't mean that everyone else that had similar shit seasons need replacing.
Evra extends contract
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Excellent now get Shaw in for him to mentor.
Could be. Also who would you prefer as back up Evra or Buttner?
Who had a good season this last season? De Gea, Januzaj and you could argue Rooney also. Everyone else was shit. Absolute shit*. Even van Persie, who's widely accepted as one of the best in the World, was shit.
Also, am I right to assume from your post that Evra didn't show any "usefulness" last season? If so, that's crap.
*I'm being deliberately over the top here of course. In reality they were shit-poor.
But, with Evra it was as simple as just letting his contract expire it would be much harder to get rid of players who still have a lot of time on their contract. And Evra is 33 and plays a position where athleticism is paramount so we should only expect worse from here.
Why let it expire when he still has plenty to offer? As things stand he's our best LB.
For all we know LVG loves Buttner anyway and doesn't think we need a LB..
Why let it expire when he still has plenty to offer? As things stand he's our best LB.
For all we know LVG loves Buttner anyway and doesn't think we need a LB..
Why do we assume he still has plenty to offer? Based on his performances last season he does not. What is the point keeping a 33 year old player who is clearly past it?
He's passed his best, not past it. There's a difference.
Also, I'm not making an assumption he still has plenty to offer. I know he does. Yes he was mainly poor last season (who wasn't?) but he also showed he at least has the legs to be a squad player for us.
Anyway, like I said before this was Evra's decision anyway and not the club's. As per his contract he's had the option for another year on the table for months now.
Dressing room leadership and experience. Vidic and Ferdinand are gone. Giggs is no longer a player although he's still staying on as a coach. I can't point to anyone else besides Rooney that would be seen as a leader in our current squad.
Evra is not past it. His performances last season has more to do with the fact that he has barely gotten any rest in the past couple of seasons. He'd be fine as a squad player, which he will be if Shaw comes in.
Exactly this.
Pat would have asked about his role before signing the extension. I'm sure he has been told that we're getting a young LB in to ease the burden on him and Pat will be expected to help out in giving advice, nurturing this young talent for the future.
I think this is good news for the team. He is still quality but his defensive form dipped in the last few seasons. Hopefully LVG and his coaching team can help him rediscover it. As I said in another thread before, he can be our Zanetti. He has unbelievable stamina.
I'm glad he's staying just purely for his experience and it will bridge that gap of senior players leaving the club. I think letting him go would've been one too many.
Did we have a choice though? From what I've read it was Paddy's choice if he wanted another year or not.
We may have been happy enough to get his wages off the books if he's going to be very much back-up to Shaw next season.
It's a job to tell really, the club could well have inserted a clause of one more year and decided it was worth activating but maybe when Evra was negotiating his previous contract perhaps he insisted on it being in there. I hope we buy Shaw but even if we do get him at least we'll have two good players for that position.
Even if we stick him on the left it's an upgrade on Young.
Agreed, for me Evra has been on a three year decline from the player he once was, he used to have the energy levels to bomb forward then recover back to defend. More and more he seems to be getting skinned by the Prems and Europes right wingers. For me this is one area of the pitch that needed addressing and i would of preffered to see United bring in a top class up and coming left back and keep Butner as cover. I feel having Evra around would just undermind a young player such as Shaw, sometimes as we know, young players with such talents just need to be thrown in at the deep end to flourish.
Give it a rest, Evra was one of our better players...
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Evra did not play well last season but a new manager, one that can put a foot up his ass, will likely keep Evra performing at a good level. If we are lucky he reverrts to his top form and if not he is a good clubhouse guy.
I don't believe Shaw would see that way. The thing is Evra went here as a grown player, a fully formed one. And a good one, but not a star, thus a 5-6 mil price. Whatever anyone thinks of Shaw is irrelevant, he is perceived as a superstar in the market. He is only 19, he just played his first full season as a prem starter. And he understands he needs to play not 50% of the games, not even 70 but close to 90. And if MU in not ready to believe in him and give him a starting role, he well may stay with Saints for one more year. Think about it, he is young, surely he has not overgrown the team, he could well develop with them, especially if Pochettino is staying. Next summer all top english club will still want him. Maybe even City will want him, cause their LB options are not quite great and secured.
So i think to convince him to join now will be very, very hard.
I think Evra played well enough. I think the main issue is the lack of covering play. Central midfielders or whoever need to cover advanced full backs.
Of all the new rumored signings I believe Shaw is the the one they need to get done and get done quickly. Either at Old Trafford or elsewhere the kid is going to be a solid performer, barring injury, for a long time.
Lane, you are correct up until Evra is shoulder to shoulder with someone and gets left behind, but better mid play would certainly benefit all of our defenders.
He is not my favourite player and I believe he has had seasons much worse than this one just ended... Regardless of a new lb, he should be kept within the team.. Nothing to do with XP, he is still one of the best around....
Its funny all of a sudden everyone seem to believe he was eveything he not right now.. You must be off your head Evra has always been awful defensively...but very good as an outlet going forward..
I think "done quickly" is already dead in the water. I am sure that Evra's extension means that MU failed to secure Shaw before WC. And so they are not really confident they can get him after a WC, maybe a 50-50.
He wasn't bad at all this season gone. Had a few bad games but then he also had some great ones. Some United fans just shouldn't comment on football.
My only issue with him is that to me he sometimes seems disinterested or maybe that he is not giving 100%. His ability, technique, whatever is what it is. One of the things I really like about him is his passion for the club.
He does like the forward half of the pitch better than his half.
That's his strength anyway..can always do some damage..
Yeah I know sometimes it's annoying when he doesn't bust a gut to get back into defence any more but I'm assuming there's a reason he does it - perhaps now he's in his 30s the coaches encourage him to conserve his energy and hope that the CMs will cover him? Unfortunately our CMs, bar Carrick and maybe Fletcher, aren't the most responsible and capable defensively.
So after his offers from PSG and Monaco on higher wages turned into an offer from Inter Milan on lower wages - Paddy rediscovered his undying love for Manchester United! Who says that romance is dead?
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out with Shaw. We would be paying some pretty serious money for him and although he is young, he has gotten a lot of match time in the PL and would naturally expect to get more of it. Evra has been overworked the last few seasons but we will not be in Europe, so there will be much less player rotation for the PL and cup competitions.
I think he knows he will be fazed out this season. He will still get a number of games and his experience will be invaluable, and also pass on his experience to Shaw if we were to bring him in. It's the right decision, it would of been a big loss to lose Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra in one summer.
With the current situation of our wingers, it wouldn't surprise me to see Shaw play as LW for some games with Evra behind him.
With the current situation of our wingers, it wouldn't surprise me to see Shaw play as LW for some games with Evra behind him.
Good point, it wouldn't surprise me if van Gaal keeps Buttner and plays him as a wing as well.
Yeah, it's a fair point. And we've been lacking in that department for some time now. Some of the criticism Evra gets on here is warranted - because he has deteriorated in purely defensive terms. He has also become more and more prone to switching off in dangerous situations. But some of it isn't warranted - he gets stick at times for doing precisely what his job requires, namely to bomb forward and contribute to our wing play. With a proper midfield the fact that he leaves his space would be far less problematic.
Evra was offered the contract extension before we even entered talks with Shaw so they won't be related.
Ye'what? Turn it up.
Glad to see it--especially with what seems to be a growing leadership vacuum within the squad.