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Every time Banega puts in a good/great game for Valencia, every couple of days I do a search for "Ever Banega" and look at the most recent. Before he was out injured for a month and a half, I knew a couple of youtube uploaders who were uploading his involvements in pretty much every match he plays. Because he always has a bunch of class moments in a match that make a good video. There are other players who have their individual match highlights uploaded as well.
But of course, not every match gets uploaded and at this point I'm thinking this week's match is going to be one of those that doesnt get a video. Shame. But I did post a video of his goal
It frustrate me that we are not connected to him. Even a blind could see his quality would be perfect for us. He will give us a dimension we haven't had for many years.
You disagree? What can I say, I just dont rate Biglia as the kind of player we need. We have enough players who just add legs to a midfield and do a bit of everything but dont really specialise in outstanding defending or attacking play. Only Carrick really specialises in covering a defence and I guess Giggs specialises in attack.
Yeah, he seems a much better fit for our team than a lot of the other creative players we've been linked with. You'd think a team with our range of scouting would be aware of his existence. Would be a real shame if he gets snapped up by one of our rivals!
Youve got to be kidding me. Our scouting network will know the finest details on players that nobody on here has even heard of. They probably struck Banega off the list after Anderson dominated him in the CL.
Probably wasn't being clear enough! I wasn't saying that we didn't know who he was, the opposite actually. I was presuming that we most probably did. Hence my surprise of us not being linked with him.
Like I keep saying!! Maybe because he's not 'our level'.
You really don't rate him do you?!
Every time I've watched him he's looked a class apart for them. Even the games he's been a little quiet he's always got the basics right, good positioning, good movement on and off the ball and kept the passing simple.
I think he'd walk into our midfield and I can't think of anyone that would suit us more right now.
It's just that just because there's a Banega comparison you criticize him harshly but then say that you've only seen Biglia a handful of times and then only for Argentina. A team that hasn't really performed well for over a year. Basically, you know nothing about him but you disqualify how immediately.
It's just wrong. I've seen Banega more often than you've seen Biglia. I've only seen Banega play one good game. Especially average for Argentina. Does that mean he's shit?
Like I keep saying!! Maybe because he's not 'our level'.
But Gibson is.
I guess that means Fabregas was struck off the list when Anderson dominated him in his first season.
Actually Argentina were playing great stuff till it came to the world cup. And I disqualify Biglia because he's no better than Gago. Nothing to do with Banega
Gibson cost us nothing! Plus I can name 100 average players better than Gibson, let alone Banega.
The WC was still more than a year ago. So my point still stands.
Haven't seen Gago play club football for a long time now. He was alright at the Copa in a squad that played poorly.
It is something to do with Banega. You compared the two yet one is your favorite player and the other you've seen little of. That's my issue with your judgement. You don't watch the Belgian league and therefor can only judge Biglia on his Argentina performances. We all know the national team and the club isn't the same kind of football.
How? When I watched Biglia when they were playing well at that time. He just isnt that good
So you'd take alright over our current midfielders? Seriously? And thats Gago who, yes he was playing better and the prefered option over Biglia. I'll be honest till then I'd have had Biglia over Gago, but neither player would add to United.
Someone asked about Biglia. And I compared them simply because we've been linked with Biglia who is clearly a lesser player. It doesnt change whether I rate him or not, my point was simply that if we're being linked with more ordinary players like him then I'm not really sure whether we're linked with Banega matters or not. Because :
A) We wont sign Biglia because he wouldnt add to our team
B) We dont know who these players we are monitoring are that arent available
I still dont think we'll sign Banega, but there are reasons to think it could happen
In no way was I talking about us signing Biglia. I don't participate in transfer gossip and I have no idea why we would even sign him. You're breaking it down to much without reading into the content which is you making judgement on players without having really seen them play. You can't know how good a player is by watching him in less than 10 games over the course of more than 1 years. It doesn't say anything. By that logic Carrick and Evra are very average players and not United quality because of their inconsistency the last 2 seasons.
My rolleyes were also an indicator on how hung up you are on Banega. It's all well and nice for you but it makes you incapable of discussing possible transfers because he's all you see. Just look at your answer. You just assumed I wanted Gago or Biglia. I've got no interest in them. Seen Gago play a lot before his Real injury last season and didn't think too much of him. He has promise but also some flaws that I don't want in our midfield.
As for Banega. It would be wise to stay at Valencia for the time being. He didn't adapt quickly to Spain. He also has has a bit of trouble with injuries so he's only gotten 1 proper season under his belt in Europe. That's not good enough to warrant the fee he'll supposedly cost.
My rolleyes were also an indicator on how hung up you are on Banega. It's all well and nice for you but it makes you incapable of discussing possible transfers because he's all you see. Just look at your answer. You just assumed I wanted Gago or Biglia. I've got no interest in them. Seen Gago play a lot before his Real injury last season and didn't think too much of him. He has promise but also some flaws that I don't want in our midfield.
As for Banega. It would be wise to stay at Valencia for the time being. He didn't adapt quickly to Spain. He also has has a bit of trouble with injuries so he's only gotten 1 proper season under his belt in Europe. That's not good enough to warrant the fee he'll supposedly cost.
Pretty much same for me. The thing is, Ekeke is such a big Banega fanboy that his opinion is biased and he's not seeing it impartially in my opinion. I've seen him be pretty anonymous for Valencia and I'm fairly confident he won't ever be considered a top bracket midfielder.
Vcfcentral suggests that Banega, along with Jordi Alba, is in talks to sign a new contract at Valencia before the end of the season so that he wont have 1 year left at the end of the season.
When I read stuff like this it's hard to believe you have followed this guy with interest. First you have only see him good in one game, thats a remarkable statement for a player who's good enough to play for his country. To overshadow, even for a game or two, Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets you need talent. Show me another player who have done that the last 3 seasons. To only one I know cost's close to €35m.
There aren't that many outstanding creative midfielders available for less then €25m. Whoever club interested in buying quality knows that. If buying Young for approx €15-18m makes sense then I can't see why Banega would be cheaper, probably more expensive with his CV.
You list me 5 better creative midfielder who you think is available and under under 26 years and who would cost less in your opinion then €20m and I give up supporting us buying Banega. I can't find these players but maybe you can.
Who said I've followed him with interest?
I watch Valencia when my football subscription shows them. He's most often been okay or injured. He was quite poor in Copa. I saw every game there. Disappointing tournament that was.
I don't understand why you gave me this specific criteria? I also am not sure that he is an outstanding creative midfielder.
I watch Valencia when my football subscription shows them. He's most often been okay or injured. He was quite poor in Copa. I saw every game there. Disappointing tournament that was.
I don't understand why you gave me this specific criteria? I also am not sure that he is an outstanding creative midfielder.
According to many credible source's we where interested in Sneijder, and therefore I assume that Fergie and his scouts are looking for a creative midfielder who can slot right in to our starting eleven. Except him we have mostly talked about Modric and Nasri and non of them are available atm.
In my opinion Banega is a special talent, in the right environment he can become a world class playmaker who can make the difference. It's worth gambling buying him because there are so few players out there with his quality's. Future will tell what we will do but I'm close to dead certain that a player like him, or Modric or Sneijder, would make us better and give our play a new dimension. So as long he's available I part ekeke in his judgement regarding Banega until someone find us a better option. And so far you haven't change my mind.
For me the issue is that some people watched him in 09/10 where he was Valencia's man of the match about 85-90% of the time. And in that season he got a lot of assists and was only truly outshone in la liga by Xavi. So someone who like me or others who watched him a bunch of times during that, his best season so far, know what hes capable of and when a johnny come lately on this subject comes in and talks about only seeing one good game from him or that we probably marked him off the list when Anderson played a game brilliantly against his team, well its absurd and its no point arguing with someone talking about those things because its not possible and not even worth it, to change their minds.
Point is, Banega has shown he's an incredible talent in the past and now he's getting towards his best again after injury. The players who seemed like other options have pretty much all moved to other clubs while Valencia have held on to Banega. And obviously Modric seems to be off the table because Spurs wont even accept £40 million for him and he wanted to stay in London, so there are few options even close to as talented as Banega. That doesnt mean we'll sign him though. We probably wont. But we'd be incredibly well off if Banega was one of those mystery names on Fergie's list that is being monitored but hasnt been available.
Point is, Banega has shown he's an incredible talent in the past and now he's getting towards his best again after injury. The players who seemed like other options have pretty much all moved to other clubs while Valencia have held on to Banega. And obviously Modric seems to be off the table because Spurs wont even accept £40 million for him and he wanted to stay in London, so there are few options even close to as talented as Banega. That doesnt mean we'll sign him though. We probably wont. But we'd be incredibly well off if Banega was one of those mystery names on Fergie's list that is being monitored but hasnt been available.
I tend to form my own opinions on players based on what I've seen. I also make sure to add what I've seen to them and explain when I can't make a judgement on them myself.
I stand by what I said, which you quoted. I think Valencia is the right place to be for now. At least for the remainder of this season. It's too much of a risk to buy a player for big money that hasn't shown consistency over few seasons. Just look at our own purchases. Anderson for example.
And your point is?
I feel very comfortable in my opinion regarding Banega, and for Anderson too. Two great talents you have dismissed who, if they can stay injury free, can became very influential for their teams in the next couple of years. Lets agree to disagree and future will judge our opinions.
My point is not to form opinions based on what other people say.
I haven't dismissed Banega. And I didn't dismiss Anderson either. I compared the two because of their certain similarities. Anderson was great at Porto. He had rarely been in Europe before we bought him. Today he is alright, inconsistent and injured a lot. Banega is similar. Buying him would be a risk like when we bought Anderson. He wasn't cheap and hasn't really payed off yet.
Banega rarely plays 90 minutes. And he gets a decent amount of yellow cards. To me that suggests he isn't quite ready. Like I said. He's had one proper season under his belt. He needs more. He's the same age as Anderson and yet he has less games. He didn't exactly adapt straight away to Spain so whose to say he'll do it here. For me those uncertain factors are too many to take a chance.
But I've already made myself clear on what I base that on.
I haven't dismissed Banega. And I didn't dismiss Anderson either. I compared the two because of their certain similarities. Anderson was great at Porto. He had rarely been in Europe before we bought him. Today he is alright, inconsistent and injured a lot. Banega is similar. Buying him would be a risk like when we bought Anderson. He wasn't cheap and hasn't really payed off yet.
Banega rarely plays 90 minutes. And he gets a decent amount of yellow cards. To me that suggests he isn't quite ready. Like I said. He's had one proper season under his belt. He needs more. He's the same age as Anderson and yet he has less games. He didn't exactly adapt straight away to Spain so whose to say he'll do it here. For me those uncertain factors are too many to take a chance.
But I've already made myself clear on what I base that on.
Anderson played in a different position. If we were to buy Banega and play him at right back, sure similar story. But Banega has international and champions league experience in central midfield. Entirely different.
Banega plays 90 minutes often. Once again you're making assumptions based on what you've seen during a season disrupted by a couple of injuries.
If someone watched Hernandez this season they'd wonder what the fuss is about. Scored some goals, injured plenty of times and doesnt play 90 minutes often. Wouldnt be worth buying then right?
Of course they'd have to be stupid to ignore last season where he was more fit and less unlucky with injuries. Where he scored lots of goals and won matches. Thats my point. You're ignoring what Banega has done in the past because you dont know about it and judging him based on what you saw in a couple of games during a time when he's had some injuries. Few players look that good if you ignore what they've done in the past and judge them on a handful of games when they are coming back from injury. It wasnt too long ago that Rooney looked shit.
No he doesn't. He did that one proper season he's played. Last season he managed to play 90 minutes two games in a row twice. 11 of his 41 games he played 90 minutes. 4 times in 07/08. How is that often?
I don't know what Rooney has to do with Banega. I often find Rooney to be in poor form. I also don't rate him as highly as some.
What a load of rubbish! Laughable stuff and a poor attempt to re write the history. But I'm quite satisfied you choose Ando as an example.
Anderson wasn't always great playing for Porto, and btw he broke his leg and was away for six month just before we bought him, but he was one of the hottest talent in the world at that time. Sir Alex saw potential and said at that time the 18 year old boy was a investment for the future.
With United he have won more medals then some players do in their lifetime and he have outshone established world class players almost every time when he's fit and on form. I give you that he's injury prone and inconsistent but he's still very young and with lots of good years in front of him, hardly a poor investment if we look at it long term.
There is always a risk buying players, ask Chelsea. But when a great talent is available is often worth the chance to take the risk, the opposite would be to stagnate and lose ground because of lack of courage. Can you succeed in 2 out of 3 investment you should consider yourself a wise man.
Ever Banega is one of the very very few who have leveled Xavi and Iniesta in playmaking ability under a whole game. Almost every game he delivers moments of magic and his top level is world class of highest level. He have all the skills to open a tight game and his vision is top notch. A lot of times playing for Argentina he and Messi shows what he's capable of if he's so rounded with quality.
Our problem against the top teams is to keep possession and dominate the midfield area. We have more or less being a counter attack team the last seasons. Almost every team knows that the key to destroy our build up is to put high pressure on our central midfield, we don't have the players to cope with that and our savior is that we have such a solid defense.
A player like Modric, Sneijder or Benaga would give us a new dimension regarding coping with that kind of play. They can all beat a man one on one and they can operate under thigh situations and under high pressure.
This is not rocket science and every top team knows that a deep lying playmaker a'la Xavi Hernadez is worth his weight in gold. Banega has the talent and is still young and don't cost a fortune like Modric or Sneijder. Well worth the gamble if you ask me.
Staying on for now
What ever happened with this a few years ago?
BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | E | Everton | Everton secure Banega work permit
BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | E | Everton | Everton secure Banega work permit
Valencia backed out of the deal, as they wanted to keep him. They made the right choice!
They didnt back out of anything. He was never available to Everton. Everton were just being extra cautious because they signed a guy on loan the summer before and he was unable to get a permit (Obinna) so they wanted to make sure they could get a permit first. A useless exercise because Banega had come back from his loan the season before and been Valencia's best player by a mile in pre-season and the president had stated he was staying. He then carried on that form for the vast majority of the season.
So yeah, Everton were just unlucky... That Banega was never available to them
So yeah, Everton were just unlucky... That Banega was never available to them
Benega would be a perfect player for United imho.
I think we'll find someone better eventually.
I've always wanted to post in this thread and say "No, never".....
I've done that now.
I've done that now.
Agree 100%. Probably the most talented midfield player outside Barcelona.
But he really isn't though!!
He's not that far off though. He'd probably get into every side in the world apart from Barca.
First team??
Wouldn't get in ours. Wouldn't get in City's. Wouldn't get in Bayern's. Wouldn't get in Madrid's. I'd question with a fit Wilshire if he'd even get into Arsenal's.
Stop overrated this guy people. Seriously it's actually annoying now.
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