Surely not? Doesn't make any sense at all. Either it's a shit referee, or you're wrong about why it was retaken (or I've misunderstood something here, which I won't rule out because I didn't sleep that well tonight!). It shouldn't be retaken if the player scores, unless PAOK broke a rule there too (players running into the penalty area).
Europa League 2011/2012
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It was retaken because another PAOK player was in the area when he hit the penalty. Cudicini was well off his line (as he was for the retake) but refs don't care about that anymore.
I'm watching Birmingham v Braga on ITV4 at the moment (or BIR v BRA as the onscreen score has it). Apparently, Braga requested hundreds of tickets but only sold about 50.
Weird. You'd think "BRA" would provide better support.
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Weird. You'd think "BRA" would provide better support.
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You should have told us when it began.
Well I enjoyed it. Then again, I failed the 11-plus.
It began when I signed up to this crazy forum, dude!
Marlon King has just struck against BRA. Not for the first time eh? eh? He gropes women. Do you see.. Ah forget it.
1 win in the last 31 away games in Europe for Celtic.
The Beeb claims it was a "poor night for British teams" in Europe tonight.
I disagree. The mere presence of Shamrock Rovers makes it a good night for Irish teams, arguably the same thing for Celtic and Scottish teams, considering they're only there on appeal, and an away point is a great result for Stoke circumstances notwithstanding.
Too much London bias, with the focus on Spurs and Fulham.
I disagree. The mere presence of Shamrock Rovers makes it a good night for Irish teams, arguably the same thing for Celtic and Scottish teams, considering they're only there on appeal, and an away point is a great result for Stoke circumstances notwithstanding.
Too much London bias, with the focus on Spurs and Fulham.
Call Rovers British to one of their fans, see where that gets you.
ah cheers, if it's lot to write don't worry, or just take a pic of it or something!
They'd go absolutely hoopy.
This is indeed why it was retaken (PAOK player encroachment into the area before the ball was struck).
Aside from the fact that Shamrock aren't British, there's a bit of truth there. Stoke did fantastically well to get a point, and no-one can expect anything out of Celtic.
There's no apparent London bias in the media as far as I can tell, with most journalists falling over themselves with the new found title-race between the two Manchester sides, but the two biggest UK based sides in the Europa League are Spurs and Fulham, and thus it's obvious that there's a level of disappointment to be taken out from tonight. They both should have won comfortably.
Fair enough.
The facts are that they are a success because they are solvent in a league that is a financial disaster, and without Europe they are almost untouchable. Now while this is not their fault but the fact remains the league will become a farce with the money they get.
WP hates them due to rivalry, he supports another Dublin club. Me too as I support one too. Well used to if I'm being honest.
Only in theory, do you know about the finances in LOI this last 10 years or so? If you did you'd see the potential mess an injection of money into one club could do.
I was under the impression that when one club from a division proceeds in European Competition, some of the money filters into the rest of the league. I was pretty sure that was the case in Scotland, but I'm not entirely certain on it.
If you're right, then I'd happily admit that their progression isn't as rosy and romantic as it originally seemed.
I'll try to scan it for you Bread, its about four pages long, no way am I retyping it!
Basically Rovers will have their pick of resources for the forseeable future, will dominate our already limited coverage and become a much more attractive target for sponsors than the rest of us. They're going to become stronger than the rest of us, having the pick of our best players, making our league overall even weaker. Irish clubs struggle financially enough as it is without all this.
The trickle-down effect is a myth. To crib some lines from the fanzine article, "the likes of Salthill and Finn Harps selfom benefit from increased media exposure following an Irish club's Euro victory. The League of Ireland is unfortunately a bit of a zero-sum game, where the winner takes the spoils and the losers are left with feck all. So spare me the Sean Lemass rising tide bolloxology."
Basically Rovers will have their pick of resources for the forseeable future, will dominate our already limited coverage and become a much more attractive target for sponsors than the rest of us. They're going to become stronger than the rest of us, having the pick of our best players, making our league overall even weaker. Irish clubs struggle financially enough as it is without all this.
The trickle-down effect is a myth. To crib some lines from the fanzine article, "the likes of Salthill and Finn Harps selfom benefit from increased media exposure following an Irish club's Euro victory. The League of Ireland is unfortunately a bit of a zero-sum game, where the winner takes the spoils and the losers are left with feck all. So spare me the Sean Lemass rising tide bolloxology."
There can be knock on advantages if the structure of the league is suitable, but there is no divvying of the cash as far as I know. The LOI is a shambles though, almost uniquely bad I'd wager.
I know you have a wage cap (last I heard), but surely Shamrock Rovers will, with their new found riches, be forced to pay over the odds for a few players in an attempt to "go to the next level", and those teams will stay in business, develop players, buy players etc.
As long as they don't do what City did which is cause the wages to go to stratospheric levels and completely undermine all the good they do buy spending a lot of money on players from other clubs (when those clubs then have to raise their wages to challenge), then the other clubs will benefit.
Of course you're probably going to tell me that unlike the leagues I watch, 90% of the clubs running costs aren't because of players and cannot be recouped from selling players either.
As long as they don't do what City did which is cause the wages to go to stratospheric levels and completely undermine all the good they do buy spending a lot of money on players from other clubs (when those clubs then have to raise their wages to challenge), then the other clubs will benefit.
Of course you're probably going to tell me that unlike the leagues I watch, 90% of the clubs running costs aren't because of players and cannot be recouped from selling players either.
That is only feasible if there is more than one club with money, why would they be paying over the odds if nobody is bidding against them? In theory they could tap up every player in the league they want and let them run down their contracts if they are certs for the title and a euro jaunt each year.
That's true I guess. You'd still expect them to have to pay more, if there is a player they really want and the selling club knows they have money you can expect that they'd hold out for a bit more and they know they'll go higher before walking away.
That tapping up and waiting for contracts to run out thing is a problem though I guess. You'd imagine its up to the league to deal with the success in a constructive way. Designated player rule and a luxury tax? Kinda joking.
Sky saying Braga onlyv sold 13 tickets for their away match at Birmingham. The Europa is a joke. Do even the fans of smaller clubs really get a kick out of these 'glamour ties'?
The Shamrock Rovers fans are beside themsleves with joy, well they were before tonight anyway.
I'll be cheering them on against Spurs. We get a bit arrogant in the Premier League to be fair.
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I went to Wisla v Odense game today and there were about 10 Danish fans in their sector. They beat the crap out of a poor Wisla side though and I got to see Djemba-Djemba so it was a good evening.
rcoobc, we don't have a wage cap. The players are all part-time and given contracts by their clubs that last from the first week of the season until the last. When the season ends you retain who you want to keep and cast off the rest. Multi-year contracts are rare and generally reserved for young players you think you can get money from an English/Scottish club out of. Transfer fees between Irish clubs kinda never happens.
The competition's actually got potential for second and third tier clubs who don't have a chance of winning the CL (that's all but half a dozen clubs). It's far more competitive than the CL, but needs far more investment. If UEFA are serious about the Europa then they need to boost the prize money. €600,000 for reaching the semis of the Europa is pretty meaningless when you get seven times that for reaching the group stages of the CL.
Sion, going away quietly? Not even slightly.
There is UEFA rule that means rulings cannot be challenged in local courts by the way. Just give up Sion!
BBC Sport - Sion claim court win invalidates Celtic participation
There is UEFA rule that means rulings cannot be challenged in local courts by the way. Just give up Sion!
Reminds me of Hicks getting an injunction in Texas 
Rovers holding their own so far.
A few of these players will follow the likes of Long, Doyle and Coleman into English football
A few of the Spurs players might end up following Ricketts in the other direction. lol.
Well, Enda Stevens who's just come on for Rovers is heading to Villa in January.
Rovers beating Spurs!!
Gooooooooalllllllll!
Shamrock Rovers!May as well say they're fellow members of the Greater Norman Archipelago.