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You're naive if you think Boris will be good for the NHS.Rather have Boris & the NHS then Cameron and no NHS
You're naive if you think Boris will be good for the NHS.Rather have Boris & the NHS then Cameron and no NHS
That doesn't answer my point. Our leaving may have a small or negligible effect on the likes of Germany and France but a significant effect on smaller states, thus our bargaining power vs the EU may be rather stronger than is being stated - unless, of course, Germany and France organise things in their interests. They wouldn't do that though would they?
You're naive if you think Boris will be good for the NHS.
And the working poor will be beaten like nothing we've seen before.
Don't be so silly.What? Boris will tear the full thing down. Locums everywhere and deaths rates will rise.
Don't be so silly.
Anyway we still have a democracy left (well a bit of one) so if you don't want Boris or Cameron then vote Labour and stop with the incessant doom-mongering.
Cameron I could stomach, but Boris is a complete joke. He is the Kim Kardashian of British Politics, appeals to the masses despite not having a clue and both loved by the Daily Mail.
Anyway just saw John Oliver's Brexit video - absolutely nails it.
Don't be so silly.
Anyway we still have a democracy left (well a bit of one) so if you don't want Boris or Cameron then vote Labour and stop with the incessant doom-mongering.
It is worth noting that while they have to accept free movement of people they're also able to unilatterly enforce an emergency brake if they deem neccesary. Which is what Cameron wanted and failed to obtain.
I don't think it's unreasonable for all EU member states to have this as an option, there should be a minimum amount of migration they have to accept of course but at some point they should have control to halt it if it becomes detrimental.
The option alone probably wouldn't quell UKIPers but I think it would sway some of the undecideds.
You realise we're 1 year into a fixed 5 year term Parliament (thanks Lib Dems for letting them change that...), the only way in which you'd get a chance to vote for Labour over Boris is in 2020, or if he thinks the Labour party are so weak the Tories vote to dissolve their own Parliament?
No-one can be worse than Cameron and Osborne. Certainly not Boris anyway.Nothing silly about it. He's one of the most dangerous men in the UK, has been for a long time, and backed by his super-Tory elite he'll create a government the way in which he sees fit. That means the stripping apart (whether it's by the back door or not) of public workers.
People think this current government is bad? Under Johnson we will see strikes akin to the 70s and 80s, I can assure you.
You can be sure as hell I'll be voting for a Labour government, because I pity the poor, young and disabled in our society in a country ruled by Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.
No-one can be worse than Cameron and Osborne. Certainly not Boris anyway.
Rather have Boris & the NHS then Cameron and no NHS
No-one can be worse than Cameron and Osborne. Certainly not Boris anyway.
You need to read this, mate:No-one can be worse than Cameron and Osborne. Certainly not Boris anyway.
I agree with your assessment of Boris. He's ruthless, intelligent and supremely self-confident. Don't let anyone be fooled by the mad hair and occasional daft public comments.Nothing silly about it. He's one of the most dangerous men in the UK, has been for a long time, and backed by his super-Tory elite he'll create a government the way in which he sees fit. That means the stripping apart (whether it's by the back door or not) of public workers.
People think this current government is bad? Under Johnson we will see strikes akin to the 70s and 80s, I can assure you.
You can be sure as hell I'll be voting for a Labour government, because I pity the poor, young and disabled in our society in a country ruled by Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.
I can't actually begin to explain how much worse it is certain to be.
This isn't true either, really. Boris has managed to cultivate this impression that he's some kind of loveable idiot. He isn't. He's no joke or buffoon either. He's very intelligent, very cunning and has been working his way into No.10 for over a decade now. This referendum could well dictate his chances of making it.
The debate surrounding Europe doesn't interest me. It won't affect me in any great way. What does interest me (or bother me, rather) is disabled people committing suicide because they no longer have the money to fend for themselves. It's for that reason we need to remain in the UK, defeat the hard right in the Tory party, and live in hope that the other halfwit in charge of Labour gets his shit together, or gets booted out the door.
Rather have Boris & the NHS then Cameron and no NHS
Er, what?Rather have Boris & the NHS then Cameron and no NHS
what has caused you to drift away from your original position for Remain?I was originally very much in the favor of staying, but now I'm very much on the fence. I agree with some of the principles of leaving, but I've not actually seen many arguments (that seem believable or backed up by experts in any way) for leaving that actually say it'll make the country better.
Principles are all well and good, but not a lot of use if the arse falls out of our economy.
Sadly, pollsters are not that reliable in the UK. I'm basing my opinion totally on the last election cycles. I haven't been following much before then. However as with the Scottish vote -its polls were reliable-, many undecideds is good for the "conservative" choice, that is "Remain". Undecideds are risk averse. If they are around 10% as polls suggest, then I think it would break up to "8%-2%" in favor of Remain.
I'd say final vote would be something like 54-46% . A very rough estimate, mind you. But it won't be as close as the headlines suggest.
You need to read this, mate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Early_career
The following sounds like the worst of kneejerk exaggerations but my honest conclusion after reading the article is this: Boris Johnson would pose as a Nazi, a Communist, a Greenpeace protester, an anarchist or a Conservative if it meant access to power. He is shameless, cavalier and horribly unprofessional in virtually everything he does.
They are. Polls have shifted since Cox was murdered.
Can't remember precisely who did which surveys (had a quick look at the polls this morning). Was it YouGov whose data was suggesting the swing started before and continued at a similar rate after? I'm a bit sceptical.According to YouGov, the swing back to Remain (or reversion to the norm) predated the murder.
Can't remember precisely who did which surveys (had a quick look at the polls this morning). Was it YouGov whose data was suggesting the swing started before and continued at a similar rate after? I'm a bit sceptical.
Ahh, okay. Thanks.YouGov did two polls (can't remember who for).
One was finished before the murder, the second after with something like 1/3 of results tallied before.
Both gave the same result.
Yanis Varoufakis(The guy in the video I posted)has said when he was the former Greek minister of finance the euro group threaten him and he's government with the closure of Greek banks. Yes the expert right to say this doesn't effect UK as it one of the big 3 but he's wrong to view this is a positive part of the EU. There is simply a huge problem with democracy and the EU, now voting out won't help to fix any of this and will simply isolate the UK in my opinion anyway, so I guess that sort of makes my point a bit well pointless but it's worth mentioning.It is utter bollocks. Of course you trade something for influence but sovereignty isn't one of those things. The EU isn't a sovereign state. The UK is.
I'll be voting to leave, but I think it will only delay our inevitable joining the EU in the future. At least we may have a little more bargaining power if we vote to leave, instead of us falling over and kissing Brussels arse.
I think it'll be similar to the government's desire to change the Sunday trading law. The Sunday shopping proposal was defeated in parliament, but they eventually managed to force it through, because they wanted it so badly. If anything negative happens to the British economy after a possible leave EU vote, governments can blame brexit, and I can see re-votes happening until we eventually end up in the EU.
There are loads of warnings for and against being part of the EU, but the fact is, no one really knows exactly how it will effect us until it happens. But I'm certain whatever the result of the vote on the 27th, we will eventually end up in the EU. When Cameron says it's a one time vote, that's bollocks. When the government want something, they won't stop till they get it.
You realise we've been part of the EU for decades and we've voting for whether to leave it or stay in, not whether we should join it, right?
Sure, why do you ask?
Because the impression you give in your post gives the impression that you think we're voting on whether we should join it or not not that we're voting to leave it. Just making sure.