ESPN: Man United want evolution, not revolution under Erik ten Hag - sources

First day at Carrington

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Hoping he injects United with a lethal dose of POOOOOIIIIIOSSSSOOOOOON
 
I just know already that I’m in for another season of being subjected to watching Scott McTominay start 30+ games in midfield for us.

There's no way ETH will not address the midfield. I don't believe these rumours, but even if the club is leaking this information out, it is probably because we have a reputation for overpaying for players. Plus, it's never easy to go out in the market by admitting that you need a whole new squad. It makes you look desperate. I think we have our eyes set on Rice, De Jong and Haidara. I don't know how many transfer windows it will take, but i believe we are actively working on all three transfers.
 
If we have a football team that can and will not follow Rangnicks instructions, is regularly getting butchered by our rivals ans the dressing room is a disaster then we need a revolution not an evolution.
 
Even 3 might do us if we’re able to bring in some of those that were out on loan. I’m pretty sure ralf is just going to relay to Erik which players need launching into the sun so he doesn’t have to waste his time. Shift 8-12 players, bring in 3 he trusts and give Garner, Laird, Menghi and the rest a chance to come in.
 
i mean i just dont see how this squad cant need 4 new starters minimum. Are we assuming somehow a front 3 of rashford-ronaldo-sancho somehow works perfectly with a new boss in? Midfield needs 2 new starters but so help me god if mcfred is expected to be our starting central mid. Our fullbacks really have been utter trash. DDG isnt a ball playing gk but with the rest of the squad being trash at that as well no point in having an ederson type at this moment or else it will cause more harm than good. Hopefully just a shit story that has no merit
 
Other teams aren't just going to stand still either.

City are about to get Haaland, they've already got J.Alvarez and will surely sign another couple of big names.

Liverpool will do their usual 'plead poverty before dropping close to £100m on a couple of signings'. Diaz and Konate last year.

Arsenal spent nearly £150m last summer and The Athletic said they'll have a similar budget this summer.

Even Newcastle are going to be consistently dropping a lot of money in future windows.
 
Before Rangnick came in, the mantra on this forum was that the players only needed coaching.

The squad isn't that bad. It just lost direction early in the season and two different managers couldn't drag it back. Hopefully, third time's a charm.

Imo, we don't need a massive clearout beyond the players who were going to leave anyway. There'll still be enough talent here to challenge for 4th place. A handful of additional signings will cement that.
 
Well I’m personally looking forward to Fletcher taking over as caretaker at Christmas
 
The state of this thread shows why people like ESPN do clickbait articles like this.

Toys all over the floor.
 
Another season wasted on us giving new chances to our awful players waiting for the new manager to miraculously make them world beaters.

Nothing is changing. Good thing we knew that earlier so that we don't put much hope on the team from the start.
 
Its not surprising if you actually read the article. They are saying we won't sign 10 players. Obviously. Our budget is between 100-150m with outgoings adding to that which is more than enough. A summer of 3-5 players in total makes sense for me, and is realistic. Players we've been linked with in some capacity that I've noticed:
  • DM - Tchouameni/Kamara/Phillips?
  • CM - De Jong?
  • ST - Darwin?
  • RW - Antony/Nkunku?
  • Defence - Timber/Pau Torres/Kounde?
  • GK - Johnstone
Even this is unrealistic to be honest. I doubt we get more than one midfielder, and we won't get 4 starters. Probably 3 starters (DM, ST and RW hopefully), a backup goalkeeper and a squad player/developmental guy like Timber.

Neves/Tielemans are affordable too?
 
We are not getting more than 3 established players and maybe 1-2 on loan.

What the feck do you think this is, Fifa? For ETH to be backed with a shit ton of players in a window he needs to be Klopp or Guardiola.

Jeez this forum has become an utter disgrace. You lot and your Fifa brains wouls give ETH 300mil and let him spend on whoever he wants just because he won a few titles and got to a UCL semifinal with Ajax?

All of you complaining at this are just begging for the club to do the same mistakes they did with Ole and Mourinho by allowing them to spend left, right and center.

Some of you lads really do not understand what the issues are at this club or you're just blinded by the Glazer hate or poor results in the last 10 years.

For once this club is doing what is needed to do and you still moan, moan and moan again.

I'll also say it from a different point of view : Everyone and their dog knows we will buy players. Getting more than 3-4 in a single window is suicide in terms of overpaying and stupid agent fees.

Wake the feck up. It"s amazing that Ralf saying we need 10 players(with no timeline on that) and now this "perfectly placed" article started the Redcafe moan, like you're some sort of kids or something. You're being controlled by social media like hungry rats.
 
Neves/Tielemans are affordable too?
Tielemans is too inconsistent, we need consistency more than anything, we've had too many streaky players in the last decade.
 
Before Rangnick came in, the mantra on this forum was that the players only needed coaching.

The squad isn't that bad. It just lost direction early in the season and two different managers couldn't drag it back. Hopefully, third time's a charm.

Imo, we don't need a massive clearout beyond the players who were going to leave anyway. There'll still be enough talent here to challenge for 4th place. A handful of additional signings will cement that.

It was assumed the players are talented and needed direction. I think we will soon find out. Some of them are not good enough. The ones that are, dont have the workrate, hunger and desire for success. That is the bigger issue.

Dont know if that was the case years ago or developped recently and exposed now, but player power and doing whatever they want is a recipe for disaster.
 
Three players who are/can be undisputed starters, recovering one or two of the players who've been terrible, should be enough, at least until the winter transfer window. I don't think this is beyond the abilities of a good manager.
 
Before Rangnick came in, the mantra on this forum was that the players only needed coaching.

The squad isn't that bad. It just lost direction early in the season and two different managers couldn't drag it back. Hopefully, third time's a charm.

Imo, we don't need a massive clearout beyond the players who were going to leave anyway. There'll still be enough talent here to challenge for 4th place. A handful of additional signings will cement that.
I think the Ralf era has exposed how utterly broken the dressing room is, which runs far deeper than just coaching. Mercenaries brought in on crazy money, players desperate to leave but retained/ renewed then still not paid, still no great coaching (what are Fletcher and Phelan doing....), zero football philopsophy or strategy. The rot is deep, and the source of the infection is the board. It will take time. I have said before we got rid of a lot of decent home grown talents over last few years, replacing them at much higher costs with players who were no better and in many cases worse. This needs to end.
 
10 was never happening, that was a ridiculous suggestion. There's just no way you can get the quality and the pricing right on that in one window. Not to mention 10 bouts of negotiation.

I do think 4 and especially 3 is cutting it too fine. I might think otherwise depending on their genuine quality but it's hard to say we're 4 players away from looking competent at the moment. Albeit we know what a difference a few quality players make. I was hoping for more like 5-6 to really give the manager a shot.
 
Yep "evolution"... we should always be at least 2-3 signings short from being a competent team. Never change.

They'll piss that money away on de Jong, a new RB and a back up goalie, and think McFred, RW, CB and LB will all sort itself out
 
If Ten Hag doesn't get 2 CM's, a RB, a CB and at least 1 starting Forward he's fecked before the season begins, the amount of drizzling shit in this squad cannot be underestimated and listing a bunch of kids coming back off loan is irrelevant to the task at hand.
 
Definitely need to do something about a fullback. As others have mentioned maybe he needs to take a look at Laird in preseason. However we would still need another, maybe one who can cover either side or a CB who is cover for a fullback position as well.
Our entire squad is like that. We got players but those players are either not good enough or injury prone. I agree we cannot change the entire team overnight but there are issues that are more pressing than others. IMO that is a full back and midfielder. Striker is important too but Ronaldo can probably bail us out for another season and we can get some minutes from Elanga and Rashford there.
 
What the fans needs to be next season is patient as you simply cannot expect a whole host of changes to the first team to produce consistent results immediately. It's going to take time to settle and form a proper unit, some of the new signings won't work out, some youngsters might not make the grade. Realistically, next season will be the fight for Top 4, the following season when new signings have had 12 months to settle and get used to England/United will be where we'll see proper progress (hopefully).

We will probably see a very erratic first 4/5 months at United. Made worse by the fecking World Cup.

Couldn't agree more. Will be a disaster of a season. But that's fine as long as ETH is backed. Give him the time to work.
 
I think the Ralf era has exposed how utterly broken the dressing room is, which runs far deeper than just coaching. Mercenaries brought in on crazy money, players desperate to leave but retained/ renewed then still not paid, still no great coaching (what are Fletcher and Phelan doing....), zero football philopsophy or strategy. The rot is deep, and the source of the infection is the board. It will take time. I have said before we got rid of a lot of decent home grown talents over last few years, replacing them at much higher costs with players who were no better and in many cases worse. This needs to end.

Agreed and not just homegrown players. We have bought players and then gone sideways with their replacements. Fred, for all his effort, is arguably inferior to Herrera. Alexis ultimately offered us nothing that Mhkitaryan couldn't and Mkhitaryan ultimately provided little Mata couldn't. Memphis was a downgrade on Di Maria. Lindelof came in after Bailly and I doubt our results would be much better or worse if Bailly had played Lindelof's minutes this season.

In so many cases our spending hasn't improved the team and, then when we've had a second bite at the cherry we've also failed. There are very few cases of our signings over the past decade where you can say a signing has obviously improved on what was there before. Bruno playing at #10 instead of Lingard and Pereira is probably the only one. Darmian looked good for a tiny period but ultimately lost his position to Valencia and neither of Dalot or Wan-Bissaka is significantly better than late stage Valencia. Its been a whole lot of spending to stagnate.

All highlights how spending is not the core issue. Its the system behind that, the lack of coherence about our strategy and who we're targeting, that's the issue.
 
Pretty sure 3 players for starting XI before selling players. If we can sell players, we could get additional of 1 or 2 starting XI players which makes it 4-5 quality of starting XI. Something I expect for first summer transfer window.