We're writing next season off if we only bring three players in. Five signings needed at a minimum.
ESPN: Man United want evolution, not revolution under Erik ten Hag - sources
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Viva la revolución!
That's an odd way of saying ten.
Just rip the fecking thing apart. We don't exactly have some building blocks in place! Ten in ten out
But he didn’t say that did he, he said minimum of three windows, possibly 5-6.
I said at a minimum, obviously ten would be ideal. And they have to be the right players, not more duds like Telles, Fred, Lindelof, AWB and Maguire.
This strikes at the heart of our issues. Ralf was a proponent of revolution and he has been discarded. Ten Hag presumably agreed with the Evolution mindset and thinks there is enough here to build from. I like ETH, i think he's a good coach but if he chooses to build his foundation on shaky grown that will be on him. He has started with Martinez, get him his own keeper, midfielder and striker now. If we are still starting De Gea, Maguire, Ronaldo, Rashford,Bruno etc how different can we be?
Not even a revolution could save this club
Any manager would want a revolution. Our owners and leadership obviously didn't accept that as a viable option. 2nd not so long back etc
Our owners and leadership have been the problem this whole time.
It's the only thing that will.
1st tweet: Club will listen to offers for players etc etc
But the only players who left are the ones whose contracts run out or on a shitty loan where we pay them for the pleasure of not being here?
Nice. Keep bullshitting me, my beloved club.
But the only players who left are the ones whose contracts run out or on a shitty loan where we pay them for the pleasure of not being here?
Nice. Keep bullshitting me, my beloved club.
For a brutal demonstration why, make a quick sweep through the salary data on capology.com. I was always vaguely aware that United players were very well paid compared to most other clubs, but I never quite realised just how bad it was.
We have 7 players making more than 10m. Arsenal have 2, Spurs 2 (both just over 10m), Chelsea 4, Liverpool 3, City 5.
The biggest earners on the smaller clubs tend to make 3-4 million. The top earners on the big second-tier clubs (like Everton, Villa, Leicester) generally max out at around 7-8 m. These clubs have overall wage budgets roughly one third of United's. Anthony Martial makes 3m more than Harry Kane, who is Spurs' highest earner and plays for what is after all one of the richest clubs in Europe. The salaries of many of the players we've been actively trying to get rid of (Martial 13m, Wan-Bissaka 4,7m, Bailly 4,2) would make them among the highest paid players in most clubs outside the big 6. Martial, on that wage, would be the best-paid player in every club except Chelsea, City and Liverpool, and a close second at Arsenal (behind Jesus).
Yeah, the clubs needs to get away from big wages for mediocre players.
Where’s Kirk Franklin when we need a revolution?
I dont understand why they try to he smart arsed but using words like evolution, revolution, etc.
We're not an army, we're not a kingdom, we're not a fairytale.
Just fecking improve the bastard club.
We're not an army, we're not a kingdom, we're not a fairytale.
Just fecking improve the bastard club.
Everyone in football knows the drill by now. United will sit on those players all summer hoping for a tasty bid. Then, come the end of the transfer window, we'll accept a nice smile and a bag of crisps for a player we spent £50m on.
And we'll still pay his wages.
We should have agreed weeks ago to cancel Ronaldo's contract. AWB can go for £10m. Jones for free. Bailly for £8-10m, as long as it's abroad.
Then, and this bit is important..... don't offer the kids that come in to replace them £150k per week because they had 3 or 4 good games.
Where is Kirk Franklin when you need him.
The owners set the direction and the tone for any squad rebuild. They don't invest any of their own money so obviously a proper rebuild isn't an option, even for a club of United's wealth and stature.
Writing the next season off is the least of my worries at this point. It's a write off anyway. It's if we're setting ETH up to fail in 2-3 years and we'll get someone else only for them to complain about deadwood because of the transfers we make now.
At least they’ve abandoned “rebuild”, sick to death of hearing it.
I can’t validate any of this, and assuming the reported figures are correct (and kudos for collating it) jesus christ this is so brutal to read. Still I’m assuming the 7 are CR DDG Varane Sancho Bruno and Rash, martial.
Maguire makes 9.8 so that’s practically 8 players.
The mismanagement of financial resources in recent times is ridiculous. We’re looking at a club that has been heading for mediocrity for a long time but everything was put under a rag.
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Unfortunately I think I agree.
Those of us old enough to remember the early Tommy Doc. days will draw some parallels. Tommy was determined to change 'hearts and minds' when he first came in 'give everyone a chance' etc... he did eventually do it but by getting rid of many old stalwarts, drafting in some youngsters and one or two experienced but still willing older pros, but we still went down that season.
I do hope I am wrong!!
If the revolution entailed replacing the Glazers with decent owners we'd quickly see things change for the better
Yeah it's the only thing that can save us
Now it's more polish the turd than rebuild
Only thing that will probably see them go is some mass protests or them facing financial difficulty necessitating it
Despair is certainly warranted, have we not seen other clubs that looked utter shite right their ships fairly quickly after looking like they’d sink?
Have a bit of faith in Erik, mates.
Have a bit of faith in Erik, mates.
People are freaking out because we haven’t got the big names in or some 100m wonder kid.
It’s a rebuild. For all the chat about Brighton we still dont know what we’re going to look like under Ten Jag. It’s mental to think we can look at that match and think that’s it, that’s their level.
Let Ten Hag actually manage and coach, see how we develop and we can pick apart who we need and who we don’t as the season goes on. As we can see with De Jong, the CL money is basically spent on him or the majority would be back in Glazer pockets anyway when he turns us down. CL money isn’t that important to us. What’s important is Ten Hag being allowed to build the squad in his image over the next 2/3 seasons. That’s what a rebuild is.
Our fanbase is panicking because of one game under Eric and it’s not fair on him. We can’t be in this position year in, year out out,. Any sort of drawback can’t induce hysteria about how nothings working and it’s all fallen apart.
It’s a rebuild. For all the chat about Brighton we still dont know what we’re going to look like under Ten Jag. It’s mental to think we can look at that match and think that’s it, that’s their level.
Let Ten Hag actually manage and coach, see how we develop and we can pick apart who we need and who we don’t as the season goes on. As we can see with De Jong, the CL money is basically spent on him or the majority would be back in Glazer pockets anyway when he turns us down. CL money isn’t that important to us. What’s important is Ten Hag being allowed to build the squad in his image over the next 2/3 seasons. That’s what a rebuild is.
Our fanbase is panicking because of one game under Eric and it’s not fair on him. We can’t be in this position year in, year out out,. Any sort of drawback can’t induce hysteria about how nothings working and it’s all fallen apart.
They don’t care about the protests, it will all be financial.
Let's write off this season. It's clear the club is willing to sacrifice this season to get players for cheap next year during the deep recession. It does make sense from a business perspective.
TBH I think we are beyond that now; true somebody new as owner might well help us turn the corner, but the prospects look decidedly grim just now.
A manager who may well have some good ideas, but has not got PL experience, a bunch of players who have got away with it under two or three managers, and still look as if they don't know what they are doing. A management team getting taken for a ride (yet again) in the transfer business when it comes to top players. New players coming in who of course need time to settle, but based on the looks from Eriksen at times on Sunday, he is perhaps wondering what he has let himself in for!
Nothing for it will have to get my rosary beads out!
You and some others again completely miss the point. This is a glazer problem and the frustration is with them not ten Hag. This is not just about failing to spend £100 million this summer, it’s the decline of our club in general: Dated training ground and stadium; behind our rivals in club structure; failing to hire the best DOF etc etc.Its incredible that some still need to be convinced that the Glazers are the problem.
Yep, the 7 are those you name.
Agree!
I must say it seemed like the board, and potentially the manager himself, was panicking more than the fans after the Brighton game.
Most of us realise this will take time, but they were like straight in, emergency midfielder and striker NOW.
Nonsense reaction.
We couldn’t back Ten Hag any more though. Unless backing him means spending 100m on Antony then I just can’t see it. If anything we are backing him too much.
We are a few days away from bidding for Artautovic on his behalf for feck sake. Hanging on to his hope of De Jong as well.
Looking like a good prediction from back in April.
I don’t think that’s true. It was reported we had moves lined up in case De Jong failed and it looks as if that’s the case. The timing looks shit but that’s by chance imo. He literally said last week we aren’t signing players just to sign them.
A lot of this is the fanbase projecting.
I cannot imagine any scenario discussed at a self-respecting top club where Arnautovic is part of the long-term plan for the next three years.
Rabiot, meh. Whatever. If the board/Ten Hag thinks he's the replacement man for FdJ, get him in. Preferably not on a ridiculous contract.
But he can be a stop gap until a player he wants arrives or develops?
Not saying it’s a good idea but we have a huge problem of being bullied out of the attacking third with our back to goal. Ten Hag likes a physical forward, why not bring him in while our eyes are on long term? That’s one of the reasons he seems to like Martial imo