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GBBQ said:
He's 100% baiting United, they're even specifically mentioned in his quotes. The clubs he listed are a bit dubious, Barcelona are a mess, I don't know if Madrid could pull off Mbappe and Haaland with the other areas of their squad that need addressing, Bayern probably wont pay the fee and wages expected.

City makes sense but I also wonder does he fit in with Pep's style?

Even if he would never choose to go to united, Raiola will want us in the bidding because we will pay the fee and offer the top wages so other clubs will have to match it.
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Not sure he's baiting us, more trying to take the piss.

We obviously won't re-sign Pogba and bow to his demands so he's saying "ner ner ner ner" with his new shiny client.

As much as I rate Haaland, keeping that tosser away from our club is an even bigger step IMO.
 
Like I said in the Vlahovic thread, he’s the one.

Haaland is quality, no doubt, but he isn’t the player for us right now in our current state of still finding our way back to the top. Why would he want to leave Dortmund and join a project club? It’s clear his next moves are going to be about trophies as much as money, and we aren’t in the position to offer a clear shot at trophies right now.

The club doesn’t need Raiola and his antics (which yes, are done at the behest of his clients) in the next couple years. We need everyone pulling in the same direction without too much external agitation.
 
Tom Cato said:
The fetishising over the Premier League compared to the other leagues is really something. People are legitimately thinking that the PL is some sort of video game final boss where all other competitions have been weak leading up to the big one.

Outside of Manchester United, Manchester Shitty, Chelsea and Liverpool, no English team has had any notable success in Europe, because they keep getting beat by teams from smaller leagues that play better football than they do.

The quality outside the top 4 compared to average teams in the Bundlesliga, La Liga and Serie A is really not THAT big.

Haaland receiving criticism for not scoring at a similiar pace on the Norwegian national team vs Dortmund is plain weird. Norways national team is average on a good day. How do you even argue that a lot of his goals have come from lesser leagues so "lets wait and see". Come on.

Champions League: 19 appearances - 23 goals + 3 assists
Bundeliga: 51 appearances - 51 goals. + 15 assists

Its not stat padding either, he's scored against nearly every team he's played against except for City.

Is the Champions League a weaker competition than the Premier League or something?
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I think its abit harder to score goals in PL than BL, just asked Sancho and Werner.

And there’s no one criticizing his goalscoring record for Norway, there’s big difference between “not killing it” or “poor”. He has been quite good, but he is not killing it yet at that level.
 
For once I am less concerned about us not signing a superstar. Trust the Ralf process
 
Adam-Utd said:
Not sure he's baiting us, more trying to take the piss.

We obviously won't re-sign Pogba and bow to his demands so he's saying "ner ner ner ner" with his new shiny client.

As much as I rate Haaland, keeping that tosser away from our club is an even bigger step IMO.
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I agree, agents should be seen and not heard. We shouldn't know their names let alone their personalities. I think if we did sign Haaland then we'd be under pressure to let him move on to Real within 2 years so as much as he is going to do well in the game, I wont worry about missing out on him.
 
RedSemiPro said:
Second: As promising as this kid looks, and I watched him quite often, as I am from Germany and I like Borussia Dortmund quite well, I think that there are several questionmarks around him. I know it's early days, but he does seem prone for minor injuries, which is no surpirse at all given his playstyle.
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It's definitely something to consider. He's still very young so part of it could be growing pains, but his constant small injuries are something to flag.

I don't personally want Haaland, I prefer the no.9s with a bit more variance to their game. I know, crazy to say, when he scores at a ridiculous amount!

Plus he's a total non-factor for us until 2023 if Ronaldo sees out his contract.
 
Samid said:


This fat virus thinks football started in 2012?
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Which means he would most likely end up going to City then.

Bayern - already have Lewandowski, who is currently better than Haaland.

Real - they are signing Mbappe next summer. I just can’t really see them buying Haaland when they already have Mbappe, Benzema and Vinicius in their attack.

Barca - financially broke, and probably no CL football next season too

City - they are looking for a striker aren’t they? If they show Raiola the money, Haaland would be theirs.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I think its abit harder to score goals in PL than BL, just asked Sancho and Werner.

And there’s no one criticizing his goalscoring record for Norway, there’s big difference between “not killing it” or “poor”. He has been quite good, but he is not killing it yet at that level.
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Yes but he's scoring at a similar rate in the CL, a competition even the greats of the game have a lesser production rate at similar age.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Which means he would most likely end up going to City then.

Bayern - already have Lewandowski, who is currently better than Haaland. But Lewa's not getting any younger and it would be a classic Bayern move

Real - they are signing Mbappe next summer. I just can’t really see them buying Haaland when they already have Mbappe, Benzema and Vinicius in their attack. True. Plus Mbappé wants to be the main ticket now and I have hard time seeing them accommodating those two.

Barca - financially broke, and probably no CL football next season too Absolutely.

City - they are looking for a striker aren’t they? If they show Raiola the money, Haaland would be theirs. YES
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Don't rule out Qatar Saint Germain though. If they lose Mbappé on a free the, the Qatari regime will be desperate not to loose face and might give Raiola a literal blank cheque
 
GBBQ said:
I agree, agents should be seen and not heard. We shouldn't know their names let alone their personalities. I think if we did sign Haaland then we'd be under pressure to let him move on to Real within 2 years so as much as he is going to do well in the game, I wont worry about missing out on him.
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We and the other big clubs should all come together and ban this guy.

Celebrity agents shouldn't be a thing.
 
Him going to City/Pool was always going to be the nightmare scenario. Looks like he’s off to City. Don’t think people realize how huge a blow this will be to other EPL title hopefuls.
 
DWelbz19 said:
It's definitely something to consider. He's still very young so part of it could be growing pains, but his constant small injuries are something to flag.

I don't personally want Haaland, I prefer the no.9s with a bit more variance to their game. I know, crazy to say, when he scores at a ridiculous amount!

Plus he's a total non-factor for us until 2023 if Ronaldo sees out his contract.
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Ronaldo - Haaland up top in the 4222?

NewYorkRed said:
Him going to City/Pool was always going to be the nightmare scenario. Looks like he’s off to City. Don’t think people realize how huge a blow this will be to other EPL title hopefuls.
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Gotta hope that Ole and Ralf will have a word with Erling.
 
:lol:.......you guys are mental if you don't want Haaland. this guys is a once in a generation type of goal scorer. Sell Martial in january and use that money to buy haaland in the summer. Ronaldo only has one year left and he can't play every match PLUS we won't be resigning Pogba so that weekly salary is available as well
 
DWelbz19 said:
Don't see how that works, really. I think you need more of the '9 and a half' that Rangnick was referencing to play alongside Ronaldo.
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Roger. I wonder if Ralf can work it out somehow. It would seem that those two up top would force opponents to keep four players pinned back around them at all times.
 
If we get super microscopic with his quotes, it certainly does look like an attempt to make Utd go above and beyond to pay what it takes to get him. Raiola knows full well that out of all the clubs, Utd are the only ones that will pay the extravagant agent fees and contract wages. It does seem like a means of getting Utd to start slapping the cash on the table.
 
bosskeano said:
:lol:.......you guys are mental if you don't want Haaland. this guys is a once in a generation type of goal scorer. Sell Martial in january and use that money to buy haaland in the summer. Ronaldo only has one year left and he can't play every match PLUS we won't be resigning Pogba so that weekly salary is available as well
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I find it incredibly bizarre how some fans don't want him and are content with seeing him go to a premier league rival. Whichever team Haaland ends up at in the premier league, they are likely to win the majority of the premier league titles during the period he is at the club.
 
Honestly I won't be too bothered if we don't get him. A superb player, but his demands and having Raiola as his baggage completely put me off. Even these comments are very disrespectful to Dortmund. I just don't want to see him at the PL. Will be content wherever else he goes.
 
In an effort to drum up interest Raiola reminds everyone of the baggage Haaland will bring with him.

It's a shame because he clearly has a phenomenal attitude as a player but this agent is just shameless. His shenanigans with Pogba must have made the club wary of dealing with him again.
 
Devil may care said:
Denyle isn't just a river in Egypt mate, at least we can admit our owners are poison to the game, anyone who saw Verratti's interview after his agent tried to get him a move to Barca said it looked like a hostage video, all that was missing was a newspaper with the days date, and the strops thrown publicly when Real Madrid made a huge offer for a player in the last year of his contract was totally unprofessional and stank of people with so much money they feel they aren't required.to show respect.
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I'm not the one in denial here, I'm fully aware of the facts. You're the one spouting nonsense and Veratti is still there 5 years later. He would have had plenty of opportunities to leave. The thing is, you speak about PSG without knowing much of anything about the club; I actually follow it. I watch interviews, I listen to the players, I'm aware of what's going on and I can be reasonably objective sometimes, and other times I'm biased. In this case, I'm telling you that it's nonsense. Veratti really loves being in Paris.

As far as the Mbappe situation, there's nothing unprofessional about choosing to turn down an offer, especially one made in the last few weeks of the transfer deadline with no time to properly get a replacement. What would have been unprofessional was refusing the offer, then not allowing Mbappe to play for the season as some kind of hold-up or punishment to get him to sign. It hasn't happened, and Mbappe's been their best player. If anything, it shows they knew they would get more out of keeping him than selling him and having Messi and Neymar struggling together to make an impact. Without Mbappe, PSG is in a far worse shape this season IMO.

That being said, I don't really want to derail the thread further since it has nothing to do with Haaland. We can continue this on the appropriate thread, but I'm not sure there's a point to it.
 
I hate that twat. As much as I would love Haaland, I really don't want any of our players associated with that scumbag. Don't think he would have said this if Haaland was a possibility though tbh. Guessing Rangnick advised the club to tell Pogba to feck off which is probably why he's decided to throw a tantrum. I expect he'll join City. Real want Mbappe and Barca can't afford him (and are in the process of becoming a nothing club anyway). I could see him going to Bayern, they seem to want to transition Lewandowski out of the team based on some of the reports over the last few months (why I have no idea because he's still absolutely amazing). Important to start playing Mason more with this news imo. Need to start moulding him into our starting striker.
 
Raiola is more than enough reason not to consider Haaland, despite being a wonderful player, to spend more than 200 million between what the club, Raiola, his father and who knows who else will ask... and a net salary of 25 or 30 million...

And already knowing in advance that every 6 or 12 months there will be some controversy with Raiola and requests for salary increases or moves to take him to another club.

In theory Bayern and City would be the most credible options, if they are willing to take with Raiola and these conditions, I think he would like to play in the Premier and that would be good for the Premier League.
 
DWelbz19 said:
It's definitely something to consider. He's still very young so part of it could be growing pains, but his constant small injuries are something to flag.

I don't personally want Haaland, I prefer the no.9s with a bit more variance to their game. I know, crazy to say, when he scores at a ridiculous amount!

Plus he's a total non-factor for us until 2023 if Ronaldo sees out his contract.
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In what way is Haaland not varianced enough for you? Would you like one that sits deeper and plays less direct? Then yes, Haaland is not your man.

I literally posted this 1 hour ago:

Haaland does a lot more than just pop up once or twice a game.

Like pressing:
2 x what our current #9 does
12,3 pressings/90 and 3,4 successful pressings/90 this season
vs.
Ronaldo's 6 pressings/90 and 1,23 successful pressings/90 for us

...or assisting:
0,29 assists/90 for Dortmund since he arrived there
vs.
0,13 assists/90 for Ronaldo the last 2,5 seasons and for us this season)

Then of course it's the goals:
This season:
Haaland in all comps for Dortmund: 17 goals in 1022 minutes - 1,5 goals/90 !
(....and for Norway this season: 5 goals in 268 minutes - 1,68 goals/90)
Ronaldo (Who appears in a lot of GOAT discussions) for us and apparently has been carrying us on his own this season: 12 goals in 1368 minutes - 0,79 goals/90

Unpopular opinion:
You'd be an absolute nutter if you started 36 year old Ronaldo over 21 year old Haaland. Haaland is by far the superior alternative of the 2, now, next year and for all future.

We went from being the 2nd best team in England last season and getting 7 points in our 3 first games in the PL this season to suddenly imploding all over the pitch as soon as Ronaldo arrived. Football is constantly evolving and we live in a time where you can't afford any free passengers.

In the Premier League last season and the first 3 games this season we:
Conceded on average 1,12 goals/game - This is already too high
Scored on average 1,95 goals/game - Could also be better
Won on average 1,98 points per game - Won't win you the league.

In the Premier league since Ronaldo arrived (He played a full 90 minutes in every single loss we've had in the PL so far this season):
Conceded on average 1,83 goals/game - .....
Scored on average 1,5 goals/game - .....
Won on average 1,42 points per game......

We literally went from being a top 4 team to being a mid-table team with his arrival. Our whole way of playing changed, our midfield and defense became constantly overloaded, we don't win the ball in the opposition half anymore leading to fewer counters and we have to score almost all our goals against organized defenses because of this. I blame the management for making it happen of course, it isn't Ronaldo's fault that he through 20 years of top level football now gets away with his low workrate, but we desperately need a new striker. We need a striker with a better workrate, that doesn't duck under the ball when standing in a wall on set pieces in stoppage time in CL KO-matches and doesn't have such a negative influence on our allover play, while also being more lethal in front of goal.

Ronaldo is a classic dilemma for us, being both the saviour and the devil at the same time. I'd like to have a striker who is heavier on the saviour side and lighter on the devil side, please.
 
I'm surprised so many are saying they don't see how he'd fit at City, if anything he is the one missing piece to making them absolutely unstoppable. They are crying out for a player like him to just finish all this passing in the final third that doesn't go anywhere half the time.
 
Tom Cato said:
Yes but he's scoring at a similar rate in the CL, a competition even the greats of the game have a lesser production rate at similar age.
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Yes he is great in CL, hence I am big fan of him too. But I wouldn't take his BL record as same value as goals scored in PL.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Real - they are signing Mbappe next summer. I just can’t really see them buying Haaland when they already have Mbappe, Benzema and Vinicius in their attack.
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Real will sign both of them because the club's biggest values are excess, hyperbole, unruliness and voracity.
 
troylocker said:
Well this got a little too hypothetical for me, because we, as you said, know he already does a lot more than just score goals and pop up once or twice a game.

Like pressing:
2 x what our current #9 does
12,3 pressings/90 and 3,4 successful pressings/90 this season
vs.
Ronaldo's 6 pressings/90 and 1,23 successful pressings/90 for us

...or assisting:
0,29 assists/90 for Dortmund since he arrived there
vs.
0,13 assists/90 for Ronaldo the last 2,5 seasons and for us this season)

Then of course it's the goals:
This season:
Haaland in all comps for Dortmund: 17 goals in 1022 minutes - 1,5 goals/90 !
(....and for Norway this season: 5 goals in 268 minutes - 1,68 goals/90)
Ronaldo (Who appears in a lot of GOAT discussions) for us and apparently has been carrying us on his own this season: 12 goals in 1368 minutes - 0,79 goals/90

If Haaland keeps delivering numbers like this in a top 3/4 or better league + CL through out his career, he will of course be up there with the best in history. Not saying he will, but it is not impossible. It's impossible to know what the future brings, and all I've done is comparing his stats from the last couple of years (which is mindblowingly good for a 19-21 year old) with some of the greats, and found that so far his clubrecord in Bundesliga and CL is better than anything we have seen from someone his age since what Pele did in the stateleagues in Brazil in the late 50s/early 60s. I don't understand how you so bastantly can claim he won't. I would say there's a bigger chance he won't than he will, but nothing is 100%.


This one made me smile. Sure we have a good squad, but who can reach this level? I like Greenwood a lot myself, and I think he's a great talent, but do you get that "he'll beat all goalscoring records"-vibe from him? ...or are you refering to someone else.
Are there coaches out there that can make Greenwood tripple or quadrupple his current goal output for us when he plays up front (10 goals in 2201 minutes as a #9 for us in all comps - 0,41 goals/90. That stat includes goals against Tranmere, Rochdale, Astana, LASK....)?

...and we don't even know who will be our manager 8 months from now.

And by the way: I would love to have that circus in town for 3-10 years. Circuses are fun!
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I think Cristiano belongs in this tier because of what he displayed during the first half of his career. I also doubt that he would be compared to Messi had he just skipped the phase in which he was a lightning fast fercious dribbler and straightly became the efficiency driven goal machine he is/was during his later years at Madrid, Juventus and United.

And while it is true that Haaland's statistics at this age are unprecedented, there have been strikers who maintained a somewhat comparable quota over a few seasons and they aren't in the conversation either. Like Müller or Lewandowski now. I mean, this is the gold standard he gets compared with and the players in that stratosphere (to me Maradona, Pele, Messi and pre-injury R9) have so, so much more to offer than Haaland. I recently watched a 20 minute compilation of Maradona's 86 world cup and I just find it impossible that Haaland reaches that level. As I said in another post, to me it is irrelevant where a decisive play happens in a sequence that leads to a goal. And Maradona did incredible stuff 3-4 times a game that was deserving of a goal, only that he wasn't at the end of it. And you can make a similar case for Messi for almost every season he has played. Truly outrageous plays at an incredible frequency and I can't imagine Haaland replicating that.

I really watched a lot of Dortmund since Haaland was there. A lot. And most of the time I thought that Sancho was the more decisive player for Dortmund. When he left, many Dortmund fans named him as the best player to ever wear their shirt. And that's because he did so much in the build up and chance creation that Haaland just didn't. And I believe the bigger the hype gets, especially when he eventually signs for a top club (probably this summer) there will be much more lime light on him and people will start to bemoan the limitations he has, especially when he eventually goes through a rough patch of form or a goal drought.
 
Bayern are extremely unlikely to want to pay the kinda money that Raiola wants for his client.

He'll either go to City or he'll replace one of Mbappe or Benzema at their current teams. That's my take.
 
GatoLoco said:
Real will sign both of them because the club's biggest values are excess, hyperbole, unruliness and voracity.
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Well they could if they have the money. But Benzema has scored 17 goals 8 assist in 20 games this season, even better than Haaland. He absolutely has to start as main CF. Mbappe will start as he is Real Madrid no.1 target. That leaves only a WF position open, Vinicius has 12 goals 5 assist this season too, make no sense not to start him.
 
Manchester City are not going to sign Kane next year?
If Haaland asks for 25-30 net I don't think City will give them to him.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Real - they are signing Mbappe next summer. I just can’t really see them buying Haaland when they already have Mbappe, Benzema and Vinicius in their attack.
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They are getting Bale off their wage bill and getting Mbappe for free in his place. Jovic will also likely leave if not this January then next summer. Benzema is 33... 34 in a week. He'll also be entering the final year of his contract in the summer.

I'm sure Flo will be happy to upgrade to the next Galactico and get a forward like of Mbappe and Haaland along with Hazard when fit or Vinicius Jr. He might even keep Benzema for the extra year as depth.
 
troylocker said:
In what way is Haaland not varianced enough for you? Would you like one that sits deeper and plays less direct? Then yes, Haaland is not your man.

I literally posted this 1 hour ago:

Haaland does a lot more than just pop up once or twice a game.

Like pressing:
2 x what our current #9 does
12,3 pressings/90 and 3,4 successful pressings/90 this season
vs.
Ronaldo's 6 pressings/90 and 1,23 successful pressings/90 for us

...or assisting:
0,29 assists/90 for Dortmund since he arrived there
vs.
0,13 assists/90 for Ronaldo the last 2,5 seasons and for us this season)

Then of course it's the goals:
This season:
Haaland in all comps for Dortmund: 17 goals in 1022 minutes - 1,5 goals/90 !
(....and for Norway this season: 5 goals in 268 minutes - 1,68 goals/90)
Ronaldo (Who appears in a lot of GOAT discussions) for us and apparently has been carrying us on his own this season: 12 goals in 1368 minutes - 0,79 goals/90

Unpopular opinion:
You'd be an absolute nutter if you started 36 year old Ronaldo over 21 year old Haaland. Haaland is by far the superior alternative of the 2, now, next year and for all future.

We went from being the 2nd best team in England last season and getting 7 points in our 3 first games in the PL this season to suddenly imploding all over the pitch as soon as Ronaldo arrived. Football is constantly evolving and we live in a time where you can't afford any free passengers.

In the Premier League last season and the first 3 games this season we:
Conceded on average 1,12 goals/game - This is already too high
Scored on average 1,95 goals/game - Could also be better
Won on average 1,98 points per game - Won't win you the league.

In the Premier league since Ronaldo arrived (He played a full 90 minutes in every single loss we've had in the PL so far this season):
Conceded on average 1,83 goals/game - .....
Scored on average 1,5 goals/game - .....
Won on average 1,42 points per game......

We literally went from being a top 4 team to being a mid-table team with his arrival. Our whole way of playing changed, our midfield and defense became constantly overloaded, we don't win the ball in the opposition half anymore leading to fewer counters and we have to score almost all our goals against organized defenses because of this. I blame the management for making it happen of course, it isn't Ronaldo's fault that he through 20 years of top level football now gets away with his low workrate, but we desperately need a new striker. We need a striker with a better workrate, that doesn't duck under the ball when standing in a wall on set pieces in stoppage time in CL KO-matches and doesn't have such a negative influence on our allover play, while also being more lethal in front of goal.

Ronaldo is a classic dilemma for us, being both the saviour and the devil at the same time. I'd like to have a striker who is heavier on the saviour side and lighter on the devil side, please.
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I think you need to calm yourself abit on analysing those per minutes stats based on limited number of games from 4th ranked league in Europe.

To be claimed as GOAT, not only you need to have great impact on the pitch (ie goals or performance or both), you also need to win something big and achieve something great. Numbers alone wouldn't be enough.

For example, Pele won 3 WC, more successful than anyone in football history, was talented and playing football well ahead of his time, scored alot of goals ahead of everyone from his time, hence he is GOAT.

Messi won 7 Ballon D'or, among most talented player ever, has more assists and MVPs than anyone by records, and among elites all time top goalscorer too, hence he is GOAT.

Ronaldo won 5 Ballon D'or, won 5 CL, and first ever major trophy for his country, was talented and clutch, and he is all time topscorer in almost every category too, hence he is GOAT.

Maradona is probably the most talented player ever, singlehandedly won the WC for his country, and carry his team a few Serie A titles during the hardest era in football, achieve greatest things in the most legendary manner, hence he is GOAT.


Then, we also have players like Bican from Austra-Czech, who reportedly scored more goals than Pele during 30s-50s, with over 1812 goal in 1089 games (include regional level and unofficial friendlies etc), and scoring ratio of 1.8 goals per game! No one consider him anywhere near the greatest.

We also have players like Ferenc Deak, scored 795 goal in 511 games (include regional level), scoring ratio 1.5 per game. No one rate him as greatest.

Peyroteo, 597 goals in 369 games, scoring ratio of 1.6 per game, vey very few consider him anywhere near to the greatest.

If Haaland won nothing major, nor achieve anything great/legendary individually, he won't be considered as same tier as Pele, Messi, Ronaldo or Maradona, even if he has somehow managed near to 1.5 scoring ratio (currently on 0.78). Rather, he might be ranked alongside with other prolific top scorer, such as Bican, Deak, Peyroteo etc.
 
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RedRonaldo said:
Well they could if they have the money. But Benzema has scored 17 goals 8 assist in 20 games this season, even better than Haaland. He absolutely has to start as main CF. Mbappe will start as he is Real Madrid no.1 target. That leaves only a WF position open, Vinicius has 12 goals 5 assist this season too, make no sense not to start him.
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They both had a great seasons so far, but since when is 17 goals and 8 assists in 1687 minutes (0,91 goals/90 - 1,33 goals+assists/90) better than 17 goals and 4 assists in 1022 minutes (1,5 goals/90 - 1,85 goals+assists/90)?
 
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