So that's a no then.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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What does that mean
What if Klopp had won 3 more games which they threw away?This was our squad end Rangnick with players likely to be there next season marked in bold.
GK: De Gea, Henderson
FB: Dalot, AWB, Shaw, Telles
CB: Bailly, Maguire, Varane, Jones, Lindelof
Mid: Pogba, Matic, McTominay, Mata, Fred, DVB
FW: Rashford, Sancho, Lingard, Elanga (Greenwood was banned)
ST: Martial, Ronaldo, Cavani
Out of 400m we spent, you can argue we overpaid 100m-150m on these players. Possibly, but starting out from this squad, I can see why we panicked.
My point is that the differences are small enough to be considered random luck.
And when ETH heard that a massive fraction of his transfer budget was going to be spent on a mediocre Antony whom he knew quite well, I'm sure he went "you wot, mate?" and vetoed it.
Unless they're going for a out of left field option I'd say we're sticking with him, would be too unusual otherwise.
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Sounds like journalists have no clue. Perhaps the leaks have stopped.
I’m sorry mate but that’s an absolutely mad post.
If you go over the first couple of seasons for any of those managers there’ll be games they were unlucky to lose or threw away.
You're also skirting round the fact that we won numerous games this season we had no business in winning, which is more damning.
Post straight out of a Monty Python Sketch.
The comparison in league performance shows that the three managers had similar point tallies. The reason Ten Hag is criticized more than the other two is that performances and point tallies improved over time for Klopp and Arteta whereas they have gone backward for Ten Hag.
Players are usually back the last week of June, meaning for the ones not playing the Euros, they will have 4 weeks rest. (FA Cup was the 25th May, and in two weeks it will be Monday the 24th June.)
Today's the day or, maybe not the day. Actually, maybe tomorrow's the day but probably not because it's the weekend. So, Monday is the day or, possibly at some stage next week. It's on.
Agreed. I don't understand why some fans believe a manager operates inside a bubble when it comes to paying transfer fees.
There are those who believe that ETH tells the board which players he wants and then the board go out and spend whatever proportion of the transfer budget is available to acquire those players whilst ETH is blissfully unaware of how his transfer budget is being affected.
It's really not though. Here's why:
Arteta and Klopp showed progress and you could see their fingerprint on their teams performances on the pitch.
With ETH it's the opposite.
Here's the hard stats for Klopp, Arteta and ETH for their first seasons in the PL (For Klopp and Arteta I've added their first seasons and their first 2 full seasons dsince they both started mid season):
Klopp:
1st season (started 8/10 2015 - 30 games in the PL)
1,60 points per game (under performance by 0,1 points per game)
+ 0,5 goal difference per game (over performance by 0,03 gd/game)
2nd season (Full season)
2,0 points per game (over performance by 0,14 points per game)
+ 0,95 goal difference per game (over performance by 0,34 gd/game)
3rd season
1,95 points per game (under performance by 0,12 points per game)
+ 1,21 goal difference per game (over performance by 0,42 gd/game)
Arteta:
1st season (Started 22/12 2019 - 20 games in the PL)
1,65 points per game (over performance by 0,33 points per game)
+ 0,55 goal difference per game (over performance by 0,75 gd/game)
2nd season
1,61 points per game (over performance by 0,23 points per game)
+ 0,42 goal difference per game (over performance by 0,18 gd/game)
3rd season
1,81 points per game (over performance by 0,33 points per game)
+ 0,34 goal difference per game (under performance by 0,05 gd/game)
ETH:
1st season
1,97 points per game (over performance by 0,19 points per game)
+ 0,39 goal difference per game (under performance by 0,18 gd/game)
2nd season
1,58 points per game (under performance by 0,41 points per game)
- 0,03 goal difference per game (over performance by 0,35 gd/game)
So you see progress with the first two and the opposite with ETH.
It gets even more interesting when we do the same with the underlying stats instead (from understat.com). In fact it gets really ugly:
Klopp (notice the almost linear improvement from season to season) :
1st season (started 8/10 2015 - 30 games in the PL)
1,70 expected points per game
+ 0,47 expected goal difference per game
2nd season
1,84 expected points per game
+ 0,61 expected goal difference per game
3rd season
2,09 expected points per game
+ 0,79 expected goal difference per game
Arteta (notice the almoxt linear improvement from season to season)
1st season (Started 22/12 2019 - 20 games in the PL)
1,32 expected points per game
- 0,20 expected goal difference per game
2nd season
1,55 expected points per game
+ 0,24 expected goal difference per game
3rd season
1,70 expected points per game
+ 0,39 expected goal difference per game
And then we have ETH - Notice the almost vertical drop from the first season to the second season:
1st season
1,74 expected points per game
+ 0,57 expected goal difference per game
2nd season
1,17 expected points per game
- 0,38 expected goal difference per game
The numbers in that post is meaningless because they don't show the trajectories the 3 managers had in their starting years at the respective clubs.
A graphical presentation of the results and play would be something like this:
Klopp: /
Arteta: /
ETH: \
It should be a stick to beat ETH with if anything. A big one.
Do you still want to find out where ETH's taking us next season?
Clarity is unclear. Pretty groundbreaking.
This journalist gig is easy. How do I sign up?
Breaking News: " No news today!".
So in other words you’ve no idea Jamie, but will have a stab in the dark anyway just incase.
Nope, the agreement was reached in December.
Sir Jim didn’t land at the club until back end of February.
The two cups aspect is fair enough if viewed for what it is, but ppg based on games played in cup competitions is daft. It could be based on games against league one or league two sides etc.
Agree, and hence why this whole debate about sacking exists (no one wanted to sack ETH last year). It will come down to whether the fall was because of factors he could control (tactics like playing AWB at LB instead of Amass etc) vs factors he could not (injuries, off the field issues etc) & how would other managers have performed under similar circumstances?
But we barely beat league one or league two sides
If Poch beat Pool and City to win FA Cup he’d stay at Chelsea. Simple.
Covered all bases there hasn't he?
What a twit
3 games against championship clubs, 2 against league one and 1 against league two, plus 2 games against Sheriff Trispol and Omonia. So over 10% of the data is from games that would be huge shocks to get anything but a win in.
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No news . Just sack him ffs
So people are now clinging to an imaginary deadline. See you Monday.
Well yes, he can't lose. If anything happens today he can claim to be the only one who reported it. If it doesn't he can say that he claimed it may not happen.
Going off memory alone, haven't all the big announcements under INEOS so far been on the weekend? Could be wrong.
Unclear clarity is my favourite sort of clarity.
taking Schrödinger's cat to new heights.
Supposedly Poch left Chelsea because Boehly insisted that all players including Gallagher were up for sale, Poch wanted to exclude certain players but Boehly's model relies on selling home grown players as a priority, in theory Palmer is available for the right price, but Gallagher in particular I think is moving into the final year of his current contract so was a sticking point
From a "business" perspective I get it, but my god would I hate to see us run like that. Such a hollow view, imagine getting excited about all these great homegrown talents and knowing they're the ones the big man upstairs would happily get out of the door first. Grim.
So in a wholly hypothetical situation would anybody pick ETH over either Klopp or Arteta given the choice, if either were available and willing to come to Utd lets face it we would to a man be jumping at the opportunity
Unless I'm mistaken based on your data Arteta's second season was worse than his first in terms of expected points and goal difference? Regarding EtH's data it highlights just how good a first season he had (taking over a 6th place united vs Arteta taking over a 5th place Arsenal) that his second season resembles Arteta's second season. If you compared Arteta's first 2 seasons and EtH's first 2 seasons is it safe to say EtH has had a better 2 seasons overall?
The Arteta myth is hilarious. He was fecking shite before it clicked. My brother supports Arsenal and couldn't stand him early days. It's also worth noting that he's been there 4.5 seasons and has 1 FA Cup to show for it...
He's shite now. We'll win a title again before Arsenal do.