Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Erik sacrifice full control of the game by playing McTominay. Having Bruno and McTominay in midfield is so stupid. I don't think any EPL coaches would go that and we have a smart alec who thinks he is started than anyone. Whether is it Mount with Bruno or McTominay with Bruno or McTominay with Mount it will not work. I think Erik has dementia because he forgets it doesn't work on a weekly basis. He also forget Antony is flop. Judy pack your bags and leaves maybe some Dutch lower team will hire you. Come back when that team wins the league or champion league.
 
The tempo in our game is the biggest problem for me. He wants to be the “best transition team”, but has us playing at a snail’s pace and zero pressing at any stage. At this stage, he does not know how to make us play. He knows he is done and the team knows it too, that’s clear as day. There is no fight or itensity or belief. We go a goal down and we know we will lose, that’s how much their heads drop. It is disgraceful and disheartening seeing this version of United every second year.
 
Blood Mage said:
When so many players are playing badly the manager is usually to blame. Who knows, under a better coach even Antony might look a bit more threatening.
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This is ALWAYS the case. Different players, same issues. It's so painfully obviously on the manager.
 
Klean said:
To be fair I support Ten Haag and think he is the coach to take us out of this dark period. But when you see the same mistakes and players not running back into position or even looking bothered about their performance its one or two things. Either he can't see the problem and fix it, or the fix that he is trying the players don't execute.

Feels like he is slowly losing the team, which is not like we haven't seen it before... (Mourinho, Ole, Ragnick).
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I said it back in September and it holds true now. The team wasn't playing for him then and not playing for him now either. Today's performance was pitiful. Players look like they couldn't even be arsed to do anything. When we went down 1-0 there was no response from this lifeless group of players. They know he is on borrowed time as it stands now.
 
13 defeats before Christmas. How the feck is he still in a job? The worst manager since SAF retired.
 
Are people serious when they say they’d have Ole back? Jesus wept.

Once Ten Hag has something that resembles a non-injury ravaged matchday squad and isn’t lumbered with players he wanted to exchange for better ones but was scuppered by pricks who put them on huge wages, then I can make an informed decision.

He is underperforming of course but give him a chance with more tools at his disposal and give him support in identifying talent and not leave it solely down to him.
 
Nogho said:
“Injuries eh”. “Looked good in 75 minutes eh”. Shakes head twenty times. “Players are behind me, see Liverpool game eh”. Shakes head. “We are almost there but need goals eh”.

Me, shakes head “Throw in the towel! eh”
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Please tell me he didn’t say all that?
 
V.O. said:
This system will finish him if he sticks with it. I don't understand how it's supposed to work even in theory.

Continuing to play Scott McTominay as a false midfielder in every game in the vain hope that he might get a touch in the opposition box at some point is insanity. Might be one of the bigger reasons our strikers never see the ball, as well.
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Easily the biggest reason imo. Any normal team would play 2 proper midfielders to pass between the lines, and have Bruno at 10 find pockets of space in between opposition defense and midfield from where he can create.

Now you have McT occupying so much of that space and doing nothing, while Bruno has to drop deep and try and find 40 yrd passes. Make it make sense.
 
He should only be sacked if there is an actual plan for afterwards. No point if we’re just going to make it up as we go. If not might as well just hang fire till there is one.
 
I'm not defending ten Hag. In fact, I'm partially blaming him for this problem. I just think any manager will struggle with this squad so saying it's purely down to coaching, which is a big part, is overlooking a problem just as big.

Who in our squad can:
Dribble
Shield the ball under pressure with strength and smart body positioning
Play in tight spaces due to their close control and strength on the ball
Quickly turn and/or feint away from pressure with their agility

You can probably count on one hand. I'm not against getting an interim manager in at this point but I can see it being another Ragnick situation because this squad is lacking so many necessary qualities in order to play entertaining football.

This is something I thought ten Hag would solve but, if anything, he's enhanced this problem of ours.
 
Fraud of a manager, whole career is based off one fecking game five years ago in the UCL.

Well done, you beat Madrid after one of your players got a haloed 10/10 in L'Equipe.

You then gave up a 3-1 lead against Spurs (f*cking Spurs!) inside a half to not make the final.

You then proceeded to get dumped out of the UCL the following year and then the EL by some minnows.

No style of play, awful "philosophy" (I must have a left footed centre back for "angles"). If I have to explain how fecking stupid this is; well done, now everyone knows which angles you're trying to create, now they can nullify your set up almost instantly, well done genius.

Wants to be a transition team yet buys two slow forwards who can't run with the ball (Antony and Mount) so we are unable to transition because the defending team just gets back and tackles/gets behind the ball.

He cannot appraise talent, his transfers have been woeful, this leads me to believe it's dodgy dealings with his agency SEG along with his agent having inappropriate access to the club.

It all stinks. Get rid of him.
 
Heinzesight said:
Are people serious when they say they’d have Ole back? Jesus wept.

Once Ten Hag has something that resembles a non-injury ravaged matchday squad and isn’t lumbered with players he wanted to exchange for better ones but was scuppered by pricks who put them on huge wages, then I can make an informed decision.

He is underperforming of course but give him a chance with more tools at his disposal and give him support in identifying talent and not leave it solely down to him.
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fecking I would.
 
Yagami said:
I'm not defending ten Hag. In fact, I'm partially blaming him for this problem. I just think any manager will struggle with this squad so saying it's purely down to coaching, which is a big part, is overlooking a problem just as big.

Who in our squad can:
Dribble
Shield the ball under pressure with strength and smart body positioning
Play in tight spaces due to their close control and strength on the ball
Quickly turn and/or feint away from pressure with their agility

You can probably count on one hand. I'm not against getting an interim manager in at this point but I can see it being another Ragnick situation because this squad is lacking so many necessary qualities in order to play entertaining football.

This is something I thought ten Hag would solve but, if anything, he's enhanced this problem of ours.
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If we had those players we would only drop them for a slight against the manager or drop them because they aren’t playing well in a system that doesn’t work while underperforming teammate skate on by.
We tried to sell Scott in the summer and now he’s a starting number 10 keeping our best attacker deeper on a role he obviously can’t perform in.
 
I wonder how many more games McT must feck up in midfield before ETH's Excel spreadsheet gives the green light to bench him again.
 
This season is just horrendous. The worst since SAF left
 
Yagami said:
I'm not defending ten Hag. In fact, I'm partially blaming him for this problem. I just think any manager will struggle with this squad so saying it's purely down to coaching, which is a big part, is overlooking a problem just as big.

Who in our squad can:
Dribble
Shield the ball under pressure with strength and smart body positioning
Play in tight spaces due to their close control and strength on the ball
Quickly turn and/or feint away from pressure with their agility

You can probably count on one hand. I'm not against getting an interim manager in at this point but I can see it being another Ragnick situation because this squad is lacking so many necessary qualities in order to play entertaining football.

This is something I thought ten Hag would solve but, if anything, he's enhanced this problem of ours.
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None of the players ETH spent 400m signing.
 
mav_9me said:
Easily the biggest reason imo. Any normal team would play 2 proper midfielders to pass between the lines, and have Bruno at 10 find pockets of space in between opposition defense and midfield from where he can create.

Now you have McT occupying so much of that space and doing nothing, while Bruno has to drop deep and try and find 40 yrd passes. Make it make sense.
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We're basically voluntarily playing with 10 men when the ball isn't in either box. McTominay just doesn't exist when the ball is in the middle of the pitch.

It's baffling, and if he can't see this and apply the obvious fix, I've completely lost faith in Ten Hag.
 
What is most worrying is he had both Kudus and Antony at Ajax and genuinely went all out for Antony.
 
You'll see from my previous posts that I never got on the ETH hype train as I felt he was unproven but I'm at the point where I can't even be bothered to consider a new manager. They will also just sign rubbish players for club record amounts and we'll repeat the cycle
 
Heinzesight said:
Are people serious when they say they’d have Ole back? Jesus wept.

Once Ten Hag has something that resembles a non-injury ravaged matchday squad and isn’t lumbered with players he wanted to exchange for better ones but was scuppered by pricks who put them on huge wages, then I can make an informed decision.

He is underperforming of course but give him a chance with more tools at his disposal and give him support in identifying talent and not leave it solely down to him.
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Yet another one with his head stuck in the sand.

No goals scored in 4 games. 8 losses in the PL. 4 losses in the last 5. Out of Europe. -5 GD at the half way stage.

And your retort to these facts - “he needs more time and better tools to have us improve from 8th”?
 
Yagami said:
I'm not defending ten Hag. In fact, I'm partially blaming him for this problem. I just think any manager will struggle with this squad so saying it's purely down to coaching, which is a big part, is overlooking a problem just as big.

Who in our squad can:
Dribble
Shield the ball under pressure with strength and smart body positioning
Play in tight spaces due to their close control and strength on the ball
Quickly turn and/or feint away from pressure with their agility

You can probably count on one hand. I'm not against getting an interim manager in at this point but I can see it being another Ragnick situation because this squad is lacking so many necessary qualities in order to play entertaining football.

This is something I thought ten Hag would solve but, if anything, he's enhanced this problem of ours.
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All true
 
I'm not worried about the results today as West Ham away isn't an easy place to go. I'm more worried about the chances we create in the final third. McT has been a disaster in that role. If you want his goals, then bench Hojlund and play McT as a striker.

Rest no complaints. We have 14 first team players injured. I doubt anyone would do better.
 
We all know that these players aren’t good enough to win us a league but there’s no way that the manager isn’t a big problem either.

He’ll have to be gone soon.
 
He is not suffering from imposter syndrome, he actually is one. Sack him!
 
Heinzesight said:
Are people serious when they say they’d have Ole back? Jesus wept.
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It's madness running rampant, total reactionary fanaticism mixed with sentimental attachment. There's not a single manager I'd wish to bring back post SAF and Ole only gets that mention because of his player connection.

I'm not sure who is out there that can right this sinking ship.
 
I’ve got sympathy with the injuries. 14 players out or whatever it is, and our 10th different centre back pairing this season.

But they weren’t the problem - Willy and Evans played well. It’s the front 4 that worries me as they’re all first choice, yet we haven’t scored a goal for 4 games. And he continues to pick McTominay rendering midfield useless. He comes across as someone just hoping Scott can bail him out for another week, rather than someone with a grand plan.
 
Stacks said:
You'll see from my previous posts that I never got on the ETH hype train as I felt he was unproven but I'm at the point where I can't even be bothered to consider a new manager. They will also just sign rubbish players for club record amounts and we'll repeat the cycle
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Well that’s clearly not true because a new structure is imminent.
 
Yagami said:
I'm not defending ten Hag. In fact, I'm partially blaming him for this problem. I just think any manager will struggle with this squad so saying it's purely down to coaching, which is a big part, is overlooking a problem just as big.

Who in our squad can:
Dribble
Shield the ball under pressure with strength and smart body positioning
Play in tight spaces due to their close control and strength on the ball
Quickly turn and/or feint away from pressure with their agility

You can probably count on one hand. I'm not against getting an interim manager in at this point but I can see it being another Ragnick situation because this squad is lacking so many necessary qualities in order to play entertaining football.

This is something I thought ten Hag would solve but, if anything, he's enhanced this problem of ours.
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They are both true. The players aren't good enough. Equally, he is not coaching the players at his disposal well enough. Only 3 teams in ALL of europe's top 5 leagues have lost more games than us. One of them is Burnley, who are in the relegation zone.

I am all for backing the manager but this is never acceptable. The standards have dropped massively.
 
NK86 said:
Yet another one with his head stuck in the sand.

No goals scored in 4 games. 8 losses in the PL. 4 losses in the last 5. Out of Europe. -5 GD at the half way stage.

And your retort to these facts - “he needs more time and better tools to have us improve from 8th”?
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Whenever someone says "it's not his fault because he has to use players he didn't want" that just tells me that these players are shit but other managers were able to get better performances out of them than what Ten Hag has managed
 
Heinzesight said:
Are people serious when they say they’d have Ole back? Jesus wept.

Once Ten Hag has something that resembles a non-injury ravaged matchday squad and isn’t lumbered with players he wanted to exchange for better ones but was scuppered by pricks who put them on huge wages, then I can make an informed decision.

He is underperforming of course but give him a chance with more tools at his disposal and give him support in identifying talent and not leave it solely down to him.
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We would be going from shite to little less shite.
I can only dream of that period of Bruno as a 10 behind Rashford , Cavan / Martial and Mason.
 
Klean said:
I said it back in September and it holds true now. The team wasn't playing for him then and not playing for him now either. Today's performance was pitiful. Players look like they couldn't even be arsed to do anything. When we went down 1-0 there was no response from this lifeless group of players. They know he is on borrowed time as it stands now.
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This is such a cop-out argument. Were the players downing tools when they got a draw at Anfield or when they beat Chelsea the other week?
 
Yagami said:
Who in our squad can:
Dribble
Shield the ball under pressure with strength and smart body positioning
Play in tight spaces due to their close control and strength on the ball
Quickly turn and/or feint away from pressure with their agility
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Everton fans probably thought the same about their players when Lampard was their manager.
 
spiriticon said:
I wonder how many more games McT must feck up in midfield before ETH's Excel spreadsheet gives the green light to bench him again.
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Is there something I have missed because this is the second reference to “Excel” I have seen.
 
I just don't get why he continues with McTominay. It would be like SAF keeping Djemba for a decade and continually playing him. At least Djemba had a motor, McTominay is a damn snail out there. That loose ball at the halfway line that eventually went out, his reaction to and attempt to race towards the ball was like slow motion real time.
 
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