I'm sorry but it's a bit delusional to think we've played this way since Ferguson's departure. It also appears you have no inkling about Pochetinno's style and approach.
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I'm sorry but it's a bit delusional to think we've played this way since Ferguson's departure. It also appears you have no inkling about Pochetinno's style and approach.
In his case, stats only backup the impression people have about him. He’s a manager with a clear idea of how his team should play. We have to build now from where RR leaves us. We need an iterative build-up instead of constant rebuild. I am convinced he’s the best manager for us to do that.
Ok, genuine question - what exactly is Poch offering more than ETH or Rodgers ? Care to explain ?
Seems like a majority of fanbase online prefer ETH over Poch.
They said he is the Bitcoin killer.
no i've already said we haven't....as i said i should have put the tradition/history of being an attacking style of team. We haven't really seen that sincd Fergie left outside of a small period with Ole. You knew Jose and LVG wasn't going to give that to you but that was more of a stability thing.
ETH plays a bit style of football than Poch as you've seen in Europe and in Holland. Poch is great with young players and bringing them thru but just in my opinion i don't think he's a guy that plays that attacking football we all want to see
It's just my opinion but I felt he made Spurs one of the most exciting teams to watch in the premier league during his tenure.
Kane came into his own and became world class under his touteledge. He also got a tune out of Delle Ali who genuinely became one of the best attacking mids in English football before he lost his way.
Not really for me.
14-15 Mourinho's Chelsea despite being a typical Mourinho team was still more exciting when Poch's Spurs still finding their feet.
15-16 Leicester was more exciting in the first half of the season, and yet Man City was the best team in this period until Pep arrival announcement mid season. Spurs only had a short period where they were the only team most likely give Leicester a chase that can be said to be exciting this season. Still Leicester held themselves under pressure, and showed a champion resilient grinding out result pragmatically, while Spurs eventually fell apart and finished third in a two horse race.
16-17 Spurs ended the season with least conceded goal and highest scoring team, but most exciting team they're not. It's all the media hype since the league had become much more competitive with all the Conte, Mourinho, Klopp, Pep having full season. Conte Chelsea walked the league always maintained a comfortable distance with Poch Spurs not really in position to challenge them. The hype about Poch's Spurs at this time is that they have a young team that already in high position, a bit more development and investment might have this team as a champion team. That later did not happen. Poch's Spurs even at their best was forever stuck in the level behind the very best of their time.
17-18 Pep Man City was dominating in the league, but Klopp Liverpool in the second half was rising rapidly to the very top level. Poch's Spurs was even comfortably behind our Mourinho team, which started to imploded in the second half of the season.
18-19 Poch Spurs had a very good start of the season, but they're completely overshadowed by City and Liverpool. On the second half of the season, Spurs was woeful. The way they crawled over the line to get top 4 is comparable to Ole getting third place with 66 points. It's more about the competitor having bad season than they did well. Strangely enough, they made CL final this season, with all their struggling league form. However, they're clearly not the most exciting team in CL. Ajax was a dark horse. Liverpool and City were most exciting teams. Dele already dropped off the cliff during this season under Poch.
19-20 The only exciting thing about Poch Spurs was ironically their transfer dealing. The hype about their signings was that with these new signings, they could recover their league form, while now having the required experience in CL to have final push for trophies. Then few months in Poch got sacked, while Spurs continued their decline of previous season...
So overall, if we can objectively focus on the football, and result alone, Poch's Spurs was never the most exciting team in PL. They were for a period consistently in top 4, but that was nothing new since Wenger Arsenal had previously had a longer period with same vibe: young team that finish in top 4 on shoestring budget; may require a few signings to challenge (when they money get spent however thing fall apart ironically).
Kane may feel grateful for having Poch during those years. However, the older Kane grows, the more these two tend to drift apart naturally. Kane can't sustain Poch's pressing style demand, especially Poch was not able to get a back up for him,a new rotate to keep him fresh. Kane unlocked another dimension to his game under Mourinho. Kane winning nothing so far would really take its toll on him. He may have no room to improve, while may as well be on decline, and Spurs unlikely be able to compete even with Conte.
Dele already dropped off the cliff in 18-19 under Poch if not earlier. His best role is a second forward behind Kane. As Spurs midfield weakened, Dele was tasked with more responsibilities and he failed to live up to it.
Poch earned himself the PSG job, but he really needs to prove himself that he can progress to the elite level. His Spurs "potential" hype is waning fast.
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Then lets give him a smart contract
Cavani too. Potentially add Jones, Mata, and Matic. That’s some clear out.
Maybe it's too early to guess - but the only reason I can think of Rangnick loaning out so many players is to balance the squad and utelise young players more.
This gives me a bit of hope that maybe we go for Ten Hag next as the Ajax DNA manager than the Pochettino PSG DNA manager.
Since Rangnick isn't here just for himself as a manager but also an on board DOF type advisor - then again I hope this is all linking up to ten Hag.
This gives me a bit of hope that maybe we go for Ten Hag next as the Ajax DNA manager than the Pochettino PSG DNA manager.
Since Rangnick isn't here just for himself as a manager but also an on board DOF type advisor - then again I hope this is all linking up to ten Hag.
I think the club will be hoping for Pochettino Tottenham Days DNA rather than the PSG variation and seem convinced that's what they'll get
TenHag + De Jong for 22-23, please. He's useless at Barca.
You are not aware that you responded to a comment from 2018, are you?
The 2-4 years passed and he still looks good.
I was, until you felt the need to proclaim it before my edit.
Sorry
It's not the only reason I want him, but I also think Ten Hag plays a different style of football to alot of managers.
It would be good to have a possesion football manager again and hopefully help us finally build a creative and sufficient midfield for once after SAF.
I think about how Ten Hag may leave us after he eventually gets sacked - and how Pochettino leaves us after he gets sacked;
One just seems a little bit better to me.
Pochettino beat ETH head to head, but this is pretty damning considering the teams they have managed.
I wont bother going back and forth about who is the better manager, at the end of the day I would be very happy with either of them for next season.
People on here seem to have put ETH on some kind of higher pedestal than Poch which i think is unfair.
ETH has never managed a huge club, he's done very well for Ajax but there are countless managers out there that have done well in lesser leagues and bombed in the Premiership.
Personally .. I think both would be a huge upgrade on what we have had lately so lets choose one and bring on next season
People on here seem to have put ETH on some kind of higher pedestal than Poch which i think is unfair.
ETH has never managed a huge club, he's done very well for Ajax but there are countless managers out there that have done well in lesser leagues and bombed in the Premiership.
Personally .. I think both would be a huge upgrade on what we have had lately so lets choose one and bring on next season
I wont bother going back and forth about who is the better manager, at the end of the day I would be very happy with either of them for next season.
People on here seem to have put ETH on some kind of higher pedestal than Poch which i think is unfair.
ETH has never managed a huge club, he's done very well for Ajax but there are countless managers out there that have done well in lesser leagues and bombed in the Premiership.
Personally .. I think both would be a huge upgrade on what we have had lately so lets choose one and bring on next season
The thing is though, you can be sure if we don't go for ETH, one of our big rivals in the league or in Europe will snap him up within the next couple of seasons. I don't see that being such a case with Pochettino
Ten Hag . . . and Van der Sar!
I understand that you would like VdS, but how should that work when Arnold just starts working as the new CEO, why should he be immediately replaced?
You are discrediting the size of Ajax and what he has achieved in Europe so far on quite consistent basis.I wont bother going back and forth about who is the better manager, at the end of the day I would be very happy with either of them for next season.
People on here seem to have put ETH on some kind of higher pedestal than Poch which i think is unfair.
ETH has never managed a huge club, he's done very well for Ajax but there are countless managers out there that have done well in lesser leagues and bombed in the Premiership.
Personally .. I think both would be a huge upgrade on what we have had lately so lets choose one and bring on next season
I fear that PSG will get knocked out of the CL and hire Ten Hag. We should nail down our next manager right now.
And pochs teams were by far better and far more expensive on paper.
PSG just want Zidane.
PL is the only way for some people. Managing the biggest club of a football crazy country where almost half of the football supporters supports that club while also being scrutinized by every media outlet isn't a big thing of course especially when you're at at club that needs you to win prizes and play entertaining football, otherwise you're out, even if you win prizes. You should first manage a team like Burnley before you're suited for United.
The only way a manager of a club like Ajax will go for a lesser club is when they are fired by a club like Ajax. For any successful manager at those clubs a club like Everton or West Ham is at best a lateral move. So United will never get a manager like ETH if they follow what some fans think about them not being proven in the PL
ETH has never managed a huge club, he's done very well for Ajax but there are countless managers out there that have done well in lesser leagues and bombed in the Premiership.
Personally .. I think both would be a huge upgrade on what we have had lately so lets choose one and bring on next season
I agree that both would be the best managers we have had since Fergie left but there does come a point where you have to gamble on an up and coming manager who is ticking all the right boxes. There is a very finite window where managers are considered "proven" but are not at the very top clubs. The likelihood of you being in the market for a manager at that precise moment are slim.
I don't know what else ETH would have to do to convince people other than have another top club take a punt on him and then for some reason he wants to leave and come to us. Hes very unlikely to come to england, manage a 2nd tier club (lets say WHU sort of level) and win something and blow everyone away. You can see what Bayern did with Nagelsmann. He was doing really well and they took a chance on him. If he doesn't keep delivering in a year or two they will change again.
Thats simply how top clubs operate. No manager is a guarantee so you make the best choice and move on if it isn't working. The most important part is stylistic and personnel continuity.
ETH wouldn't touch PSG with a barge pole and PSG wouldn't even think of ETH. They want Zidane, they will probably get him and he will do exactly what all their other managers have done. Do pretty well in the league and fall at the CL hurdle.
Exactly. The perfect manager for a show pony club.
Just some daft logic that gets throwm about here all the time.
Because people think VDS does the DoF role at Ajax when it’s Overmars.
VDS probably doesn’t have a scooby how to do the DoF role
What does "ten Hag" mean anyway? If it has a meaning, that is.
So? Are we hoarding players and hiring managers to keep them from our rivals or are we actually utilizing a vetting process to select the best candidates?
The risk our rivals would take in signing him is no different to the risk United would be taking for doing the same. Do you think Ten Hag will be a guaranteed success anywhere he goes?
I think the poster meant ETH is more in demand than Poch.
People are asking for a proven manager in PL.
Mourinho was a proven manager in PL before he joined us wasnt it?
Mourinho was a proven manager in PL before he joined us wasnt it?
Which teams were far better than the current Ajax?
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I'm sick and tired of us settling whilst our rivals reap the benefits of giving players chances and managers like ETH chances whilst we sit here and say stupid things like "hipster choice"
Neither Hag or Poch look anything like a hipster. Potter though has potential.
What are you basing this idea that he's more in demand than Pochettino on? Paper talk linking him to our rivals? Online chatter on this forum and elsewhere online? I have nothing against the man but the hype around him in the media and among a multitude of supporters who I'm sure don't even watch Ajax regularly is pretty astounding. He's Guardiola 2.0 innit? This is why I say he's the hipsters choice. He clearly is.
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There's some seriously broken people in here.This is what a decade of failure does to us
Ultimately any coach can fail, you dust yourself off and move on to the next one until one clicks - as long as the reason you hired them for a good reason.
I think LvG was hired for good reason.
Mourinho maybe - even if he wasn't a logical follow up style-wise - he did win the title + league cup with Chelsea and had a pedigree of winning.
We had no reason at all to hire Ole but a stint with one of the ex-United players seemed inevitable given the club's culture (e.g., Giggs was almost our next manager after LvG had he done well).
Now the reason is proactive football - not trophies, winning etc. Let's see how that goes.
They can barely get themselves up to care anymore.