A lot of people slating VDB… he’s not even had a fair chance with us as he hasn’t been given a run in the team… he was a massive part of ten hags Ajax team that got to the semis in the CL… there’s clearly talent there. A lot of people would love to see mctominay and Fred start week in week out because of what? They can run? What do they actually do with the ball?… there not that good of passers, ten Hag will want his midfield to control every game… I’m not saying we’ll do that with VDB because I’m sure he played most of his games as a number 10 for Ajax, which obviously he won’t for us because of Bruno but he deserves a chance to show what he can do under a manager that knows him and knows how to get the best out of him. People who are writing him of are probably the same people that wrote of sancho at the beginning of the season or wrote of fred after a few seasons, which this season he has probably been one of our best players… but if we want to win titles we need a better midfield then fred and mctominay.
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For Matic and Mata more likely it's due to age and consequent lack of playing time.
The worst part is Matic rightfully is moving on as he has been past it 2/3 seasons now but we never signed a replacement and he is still our best CDM
Sounds like the players are shitting themselves
He's doing it for a role.
How have you come to this conclusion?
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Maybe so, yes. But to knock his workrate and imply that vdb gets in ahead of him is utterly bizarre
There won't be a rebuild as long as we keep the same players like :
1. Maguire
2. Shaw
3. AWB
4. Mctominay
5. Rashford
6. Bruno
these are common denominators of our failures for the last 3 years or something, don't expect Ten Hag to get a tune out of them , you will end up disappointed, Ten Hag must be allowed to get rid of those players, if not we would only circling around the same sh*t.
1. Maguire
2. Shaw
3. AWB
4. Mctominay
5. Rashford
6. Bruno
these are common denominators of our failures for the last 3 years or something, don't expect Ten Hag to get a tune out of them , you will end up disappointed, Ten Hag must be allowed to get rid of those players, if not we would only circling around the same sh*t.
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Haha Bruno on that? He has been in poor form but come on, he was brilliant last season
You can argue that Rashford, Maguire and especially Shaw were good or even great last season too. The only one on that list being under real threat to get kicked out is AWB and possibly McTominay, but I doubt we get rid of Scott.
Bruno was player of the season. Maguire was ok to good, Shaw great. Rashford who knows…. I cant see the club selling McT
Agree with all except Bruno. Ten Hag loves a productive midfielder. Under a structured system and better coaching we'll see a better version of Bruno.
We're buying a CB and two Midfielders so McTominay and Maguire will be phased out
AWB is a problem we can't deal with immediately unfortunately due to other priority positions but Dalot will play more games. A new RB will be signed next year I'm certain
Next season will be the last chance salon for Rashford and Shaw(like AWB they're not problems we can deal with immediately)if they're average again they'll be on the chopping block next summer.
I would agree he didn’t have enough chances but most of the time he had one he looked lost
it’s not all on Ole. For all the stick McT get they’ve been our best midfield for the last few years, by and large ( not saying they’ve are good enough )
Donny has everything to prove still, but let’s see how he does. Everyone gets a clean slate now in my eyes
Donny isn't in a position to laugh at anyone and ETH isn't going to gift him a place in the team
I'm confident that he can get Bruno and Shaw playing well again given time. The others need to be phased out definitely.
I’d give rashford another chance also, there’s definitely talent in there. ETH will get the best out of most the squad. I don’t think he’d sell rashford, Shaw, Bruno or Maguire anyway. The others are debatable.
Absolutely, they should, we have had enough with this lot, you either give your all, perform or leave. This is Manchester United, not a retirement home.
This been posted already?
When things are going okay Fernandes looks great. When things are going badly he’s playing with all the composure of jelly in an earthquake; misplaced passes, awkwardness on the ball and literally pelting balls into touch in a blind panic. He’s not a player who you can rely on when chips are down as he plays very badly when the team are under pressure and chasing the game as under those circumstances he almost becomes a liability
I seen you post in the Jose thread and think you are a bit of a WUM.
You managing to big up Jose and be yearning for his return as he shouldnt be sacked and seems to be doing this wonderful job at Roma, and then pop up in here saying Bruno a problem, who been easily or best player since he came in. Something no adding up
Get rid of our best player the last couple of years?
Also its much easier to buy players than to rid them. And that's why the managers get the big bucks and the rest of us hammer away at the keyboard.
Ten Hag obviously hasn’t told his players he’s moving, which makes sense as he’d want them fully focused on finished the season well. Tadic said in his press conference he hopes ten Hag stays as he’s one of the best coaches in the world and he thinks tactically 2 steps ahead of the opponent. That’s good to hear… next season is going to be interesting, we’ve not had a modern manager since fergie left, they’ve all been old school. If he can hit the ground running straight away then we’re in for a good season.
If anything, when we are losing or needing a win, Bruno tries too hard.
So when Mou got second all other teams were in top form?
Also comparing points in different seasons is silly.
Seems to have a really direct style of addressing the press which is nice i guess, I wonder if he dabbles in mind games or not.
In my opinion Donny has had some good games and some games where he has been anonymous but he has played so little it's difficult to draw any conclusions.
I think the main issue Donny has faced is that he came from a team with a clear system in place and moved into a team focused on individual moments to win games. I've seen many occasions where Donny gets himself into good positions and wants to play a quick one two but is ignored.
Not saying he will magically turn into a world beater overnight but you'd have to think if there was one player who would benefit from ETH it would be him.
Get rid of our best player the last couple of years?
Also its much easier to buy players than to rid them. And that's why the managers get the big bucks and the rest of us hammer away at the keyboard.
Don’t want to derail the ETH thread, but this is lazy narrative. Bruno has certainly not been our best player this season and he wasn’t good last season, certainly not from January onwards at least.
Since this is the ETH thread do you see him fitting in to ETH’s philosophy? I think if he can revert to the Bruno who played for us the end of the season he signed, the period that he still lives off, then he could be sensational in a functioning system. If he plays like he has for the last 16 months, and I couldn’t care less about his personal stats, he will ruin the system.
You want to get rid of one of the most highest chances creating players in the league including this year?
Firstly I didn’t write the post saying get rid of him, there is, for me, however a genuine question mark over how he will fare under ETH. As I said I don’t care about personal stats. He throws enough shite at a wall every game to rack up individual stats.
As for the stat you then proceed to mention…What are the chances he has created? What are the quality of them? Has anyone got a compilation clip of them? How do they compare to other players? For me United as a team do not create great chances regularly. Since Ralf took over we’ve played 22 games and in 16 of them we’ve scored 1 goal or less. So somebody telling me that Bruno has created more chances than any other player in the league, with no context whatsoever, means nothing at all. It could actually be part of the reason we struggle to score goals.
He’s right. Bruno is something of a luxury player who’s very capable of destroying a systemic side because he plays totally instinctively and takes every risk known to man. Bruno fits the way we have played, there’s absolutely nothing to suggest he’ll transition.
Nobody is saying he should be first out the door, but his position could be very very different in 18 months time.
First of all, we struggle to score goals because Cavani and Greenwood have vanished, Rashford has forgotten how to play football and we are entirely reliant on an ageing Ronaldo who has been poor more often then not despite the goals. None of that has anything to do with Bruno and the chances he creates. He is the epitome of “the last of our worries”
Second, ETHs way of playing demands, above all, energy and stamina. it’s odd you would think that there is a question mark over our only attacker who has both of those. Rashford, Ronny, Sancho - all lazy in comparison - Elanga? Bolloxed after 60 minutes - he is a kid. So how could you be concerned about Bruno more than the others? Bruno made his name at Sporting where he was given free reign in a shite team. He then became our main man and was also given reign. If anything, we should be excited by how much better Bruno might be under the right guidance and management in an actual system.
Why do we struggle to create good chances? You don’t think it’s possible that we play the final pass at the wrong time?
Also I’ve not said anything about being more concerned by Bruno, I said he hasn’t been our best player this season and wasn’t good last season. However Sancho I’m more confident in than Bruno for the reason you stated. I feel that Bruno needs free license and that is good for him but perhaps not for team structure. Sancho is a player who thrives with coordinated runners. He understands better when to play the final ball. He is also far from lazy. He will be great at a coordinated press. Something Bruno might need to learn also.
I could be wrong, time will tell. I’m very excited for ETH. I feel we might finally have the right manager.
The struggle to create chances is a recent thing. Prior we were creating lots but not finishing (due to having no forwards)
Its as if morale has just dropped during this period and those creating gave up.
If we had kept Greenwood and Cavani available during January and February I’m certain we’d be comfortable in 4th
Im sure ETH would love to have a player like him. Its another tool for a top quality manager, why would he let go of Bruno? but of course he has to improve. Every player currently in the club has to improve. ETH loves pressing. Bruno always runs like a madman up front. He just needs to be told how to do it properly, he needs guidance. I think it will be the lazy players that have to go.
I don't know if you value it but we never actually created loads or scored significantly less than expected. Currently our expected goals is 0.22 goals above the actual amount of goals we scored and last season we scored 9.83 more goals than expected. We simply don't create enough good chances and it's not a new trend.
We went through a spell of creating plenty but not delivering. I didn’t make it up despite what the average xG might now look like.
Essentially the point is we’ve had one CF since January; Ronaldo. A man who at 37 was brought in to be the icing on the cake not starting every minute of every game.
Loosing Greenwood, Cavani and Martial has crippled us along with Rashford’s complete lack of form.
I don’t think teams who create lots of chances, really good chances, score 0-1 goals in 75% of matches that they play. We had 3/4 games in jan feb and then faded but it’s not the case that we create lots of chances week in week out and we simply need a CF, we actually have Ronaldo and Sancho so something isn’t working. Like I said I’d be open to a compilation clip of all the chances Bruno has created this season.
Anyway enough of Bruno here, ETH will hopefully be the man to finally transform us from the mediocre team we have been since SAF. Those that don’t suit or don’t want to be part of it are welcome to go.
That’s tragic. We really are a poor team when it comes to creating and scoring goals.
ETH has his work cut out.
I’m just giving you my take. As we’ve struggled in this department due to losing Greenwood, Cavani and Martial along with Rashford dropping off a cliff.
Ronaldo, Sancho and Elanga every week is nowhere near the level and depth needed to play PL and CL football