Are we getting him before the end of the season?
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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No. 1 of July
LVG is the one that comes immediately to my mind (though there may be others). I know Rinus Michels had a pretty decent managerial career after leaving Ajax, but that was so long ago that it doesn't really help prove a point one way or the other.
Not having him in place until 1 July would be ridiculous. As it was with Moyes. Doesn't give the manager enough time to integrate himself into the club.
I refuse to believe that. United will have learned and have him officially in place late May. I'm sure Ajax will be more understanding than Everton.
I'm also hoping that with Pogba, Lingard, Cavani, Martial, Mata, Matic, Bailey and Jones all leaving, the atmosphere in the dressing room will 'feel' different and more open to change.
Add some players that are Ten Hag's choice plus some kids from the reserves and you never know we might start to enjoy watching them again.
So are we all going to watch our first non CL Ajax game this weekend in the cup final?
PSV from what I've seen are quite good with Roger Schmidt as well these days, and he's also leaving at the end of the season so they're in a similar position. Should be a good game between 2 attacking coaches. Can see if Madueke is any good like he is on FM.
He's good, but is on his 5th muscle injury this season. For a 20 year old kid, that's a lot. I think he missed like 15-20 games in total.
Edit: just Googled it. Played 15 out of 29 league games, not a single one 90 minutes.
Imagine consulting the players who under a series of managers have only managed to be consistent under one metric: failure. Brain dead approach to begin with... fair enough if they had just won the treble.
All ‘possibly’ leaving.
I hope so too. We need as much time as possible. Ajax probably want to do the same with their new manager.
We have been saying most of the list are likely leaving for about 4 years. Matic was past his best when we signed him and I'd still be surprised if we actually get rid of him
Feck. Yeah just checked, Antony, Martinez and Mazraoui all injured. Let's see what he does without a right winger and a backup right back as that's what he'll have here
I wouldn't mind Matic staying on for another year. He's been one of our best performers in recent months. Not that that's saying much. I don't think he's the problem.
It'll be after the season is over/before pre season starts when he officially takes charge. The exact day between that period is pretty irrelevant as he'll be preparing the same way anyway.
He’s not a problem but what use is it having a player who only lasts 45 minutes?
Yeah I have no issue with Matic so long as he isn't starting and playing 90 minutes. For all his weaknesses he strikes me as one of the few players who actually care.
don’t really like the suggestions of United being a gamble. I mean, it’s not an easy job but it’s no more of a gamble than most major football clubs are. In fact, at United there’s an undeniable reticence when it comes to getting rid of managers when things aren’t working. The club has also pumped money into team, albeit badly, but still, and by large the fans here have fully bought into “back the manager” - sometimes to the detriment of the club - so it’s not as if handkerchiefs will come out a few months into the role for him. These days the media doesn’t even seem to pile on any more - now it’s just “United lost. Now here’s Jim back at the studio with updates on City/Liverpool” - at least it feels like that to me cause I’ve disconnected from most football outlets.
Yeah, agreed. I assume it will all be how we agree to end his contract with Ajax - buy out his last year? I assume the official start date might still be 01 July (due to his final year starting the same date), but by all accounts, ETH is a control freak, very detailed orientated and very prepared, so I doubt he'd take any time off between ending his Ajax stint and starting to prepare for the United job. He just doesn't seem to be wired that way.
A good backup player? There are like 8 players who I'd rather see leave.
If we have any iota of brain as a club, we should make sure they leave, maybe Cavani can stay to come on as a super sub, but rest of them should leave and free up the wages.
Cavani can definitely feck off too, we don't need part time players who are injured most the time or prefer playing for Uruguay, and only make themselves available for their clubs when they 'feel OK'. Would rather we give his spot in the team to a younger player who gives a shit for starters,
Exactly. feck them. They’ve been stealing a living serving up shit for years. Don’t like the new manager? Then feck off.
whats with Dutch managers and pants?
If Cavani can sort out his commitment issues with the club and can be regularly available, he can teach our youngsters a lot, a sudden decrease in experience level of the club players isn't also very good for a club, but yes, if he can't be regularly available, the he should definitely go off. Most of our club players are overpaid, we should starting making these norms of not paying extravagant salaries to players.
Exactly this! Most managers will have similar stories about them. It's hard to manage at the top level and not be obsessed by football and preparations. It takes more than that. I wish him, and us, well. We've suffered enough.
Something something hipster coachAmadeus is on life support right now
A better question is who was the last Ajax manager to seriously impress on this scale!
- Before Ten Hag they went 4 years without a title win, with Ten Hag they have won the league every full season he has been there (well 19/20 they were first and then the season was null and voided).
- They hadn't reached the knockout phase of the CL since 05/06, though they finished 4th that year in the league. Before that was 02/03, but again, weren't champions. Before that was the 1994/95 - 96/97 team under Van Gaal where they won it once, were runners up once and then semi finalists once with 2 title wins in that time too
- They hadn't gotten a league and cup double since 2001/02, while with Ten Hag they have done it twice in 3 seasons and might do it this year
- His 2018/19 team with Ajax scored 119 league goals, only bettered 3 times in their history (85/86 with 120 goals, 72/73 with 120 goals, 66/67 with 122 goals).
- Their goal difference in 18/19 of +87 was only bettered twice in their history, and they've averaged 3 league goals per game since he took over and conceded roughly 0.75 goals per game
On the flip side before we get carried away, in terms of league title wins at least, Frank De Boer did well in the league with Ajax and won 4 in a row, however he flopped in the cups and the CL got eliminated in the group stage every time, and his league domination stats weren't as impressive.
The working structure has been there for both Mourinho and Solskjaer, but both decided to instead have their own personal recruitment staff. You had Brendan Rodgers who did similar at your club with the only difference being he was more in-tune with the modern coaching concepts.
But the ultimate difference is that you hired Klopp and he understood his role as the head coach and not manager. Which meant he embraced your recruitment team and worked with them rather than side-lining them by having his own independent staff like what happened at United under Mourinho and Ole.
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Yep! It'll feel like our own cup final since I'd imagine all of us will be rooting for Ajax. Must be a nice feeling after the season we've hadSo are we all going to watch our first non CL Ajax game this weekend in the cup final?
PSV from what I've seen are quite good with Roger Schmidt as well these days, and he's also leaving at the end of the season so they're in a similar position. Should be a good game between 2 attacking coaches. Can see if Madueke is any good like he is on FM.
Don’t give a feck what the players want. The right decision. He’s a gamble but certainly a leap of faith I’m willing to take. Something needs to change and it’s going to be one hell of a long process.
Its very relevant. I'm sure Moyes is on record himself as saying not physically being in office until July set him back a lot.
Sure he can do things like thumbs up a signing, but not being at the training ground, meeting the backroom staff etc.. these little things are important.
Moyes may have said that but he was probably deflecting blame/finding excuses for his own failures. You can't make a mid table/average manager into a big club manager out of sheer will and a perfect situation, which was the problem with Moyes. He just wasn't the right level, nowhere close.
Pep Guardiola for example was officially appointed on July 1st, as that is when the season officially begins.
So, who have Ajax lined up as a potential replacement ?
Good post, thanks for this. Really intrigued to see how this goes, for my reckoning it's the best choice out of all the realistic coaches available. I'd certainly have taken a chance on him at Arsenal as next coach that's for sure.
I wonder how Tedesco feels about this. He's been doing a splendid job at Leipzig so far, and now he hears that the club are trying to make a speculative attempt to displace him with Ten Hag? Pretty poor form on their part.
https://theathletic.com/3223408/2022/04/13/the-education-of-erik-ten-hag/?source=user_shared_article
Nice piece on Ten Hag’s background
Nice piece on Ten Hag’s background
Just seen what his predicted line up could be for start of next season… it was Henderson, Shaw, Varane, timber, dumfries, Phillips, VDB, Fernandes, rashford, Ronaldo, sancho. I actually like the look of that, midfield would be decent. Still think we need a right winger though if we’re planning on playing sancho on the left, rashford is awful on the right.
If ETH cant get rashford back to his best we need to sell him ASAP and buy a right winger.
Everyone will get a fresh start under him. I believe there’s no better manager at the minute to get him to his best form then ETH. He’ll spend a lot of time coaching and developing young players… a lot of our team will hit new levels next season.