I personally thought he was class, not perfect obviously.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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I personally thought he was class, not perfect obviously.
He’s going to have a difficult this time season, every time he drops points the vultures will be circling. People are desperate to be proved right and happily gloat when we lose. The media will have a field day.
it’s going to be a long season if we don’t find goals from somewhere. He’s also going to struggle to manage some of these personalities. You can already see he is going to try and rest/rotate players and some won’t like it.
it’s going to be a long season if we don’t find goals from somewhere. He’s also going to struggle to manage some of these personalities. You can already see he is going to try and rest/rotate players and some won’t like it.
I think ultimately the dramatic overreaction to the result shows that it was the wrong choice to keep him. A new manager would have been given a lot more slack, perhaps fairly so, but people now have the narrative set about tactics etc even though it’s completely different.
Yes but that’s not because the media and fans are bad vultures and ETH is a poor victim under some unusual pressure. Third season in charge, hundreds of millions spend, numerous questionable former players signed and we lose more games than most of the fans can ever remember. If he was a manager for any major club with ambition “the vultures would be circling”, because he’s an easy target and opposition fans love the story of a bad manager overstaying his welcome. If this was happening at Pool or Arsenal we’d be actively cherishing the managerial troubles at the club, rifts among the fanbase and their hopelessness. It is what it is
Fear of failure tactics is the only pattern of play we have, enough is enough.
Bruno has improved under EtH.
I don't follow you here.
EtH has won honours, and qualified for three finals. Ole in two and a half seasons reached one final, and was outplayed by Villarreal.
You're taking the post-2004 Wenger approach of pretty passing beating hard results.
Yeah, Pogba got progressively worse and more injured over time but he was mighty impressive early on. His debut at OT created a huge buzz.
No it ain't mate! If it's any consolation..... It gets worse....
He still doesn't really seem to know how to set up a team that can score goals yet isn't incredibly porous which is not great for a manager in his third season supported by a huge transfer budget.
To add to that his in game management is really poor and characterised by weird substitutions made at the wrong time.
So yes I think we shouldn't have kept him on, particularly as it seems like the decision changed on the basis of him winning one game
Brighton hit the post and had a goal cleared off the line.
It could have easily been a 3-2 loss.
He’s lost a game in which we actually didn’t play badly at all. We showed some decent glimpses of football. Who’s going to wave a magic wand and make man United competitive again after 11 years? No one. It’s going to take time. Give him atleast the season unless of course it does turn into an absolute shit show.
I’m the biggest ETH in advocate and even I admit that this season has to be different.
Top 4 and a trophy would be a good season this season but don’t expect miracles.
I’ve been Ten Hag in but even I know this season is make or break for him, we can’t be inconsistent like we’ve been over the last 2 seasons in the league. It’s pretty much his squad now. The spine of the squad he’s signed, especially if we get Ugarte in. He’s signed the keeper, 3 centre halves, both midfielders and promoted Bruno as captain and signed 2 centre forwards. There are zero excuses for him now.
Early season promise given the performance against City and Fulham where we looked solid, I can’t help but have a sour taste in my mouth how poorly we defended the set piece for Brightons winner on Saturday. A result on Saturday, even a point, gives him a bit of breathing space going into the Liverpool game, I think pressures on now to get a result.
Early season promise given the performance against City and Fulham where we looked solid, I can’t help but have a sour taste in my mouth how poorly we defended the set piece for Brightons winner on Saturday. A result on Saturday, even a point, gives him a bit of breathing space going into the Liverpool game, I think pressures on now to get a result.
I agree, fully. I understand getting De Ligt up to speed, but he's a had pre-season, done at least half a dozen training sessions and should now be first choice.
Zirkzee is different, he's barely played all summer, plus he's more 'new' than De Ligt so I can see not expecting him to play 90. I'm also not sure the team know how to play with that kind of striker (alone) given we've never had one. I like him but he's very different as an option.
Dalot's clearance wasn't even off the goalline but yes, both sides had chances. Ten Hag also fecked up the subs by bringing on McTominay for Bruno instead of Casemiro.
I was firmly ETH at the end of last season but we need to see more this season before drawing any conclusions. It's not been an impressive start but there are small signs and when we have all our players available and have a string of games after the international break, we'll have a much better picture of where we are.
It's fascinating we are a pressing side but only if this is high up the pitch, because if the opposition is around our box they get plenty of time to pass it around and get a cross in. Bizarre defending really.
He messed up the subs big time but also no denying that we look better than last season.
I feel even if the early part of the season has some patchy performances as the new players settle in, we should get much better from October onwards when the games start coming thick and fast
I feel even if the early part of the season has some patchy performances as the new players settle in, we should get much better from October onwards when the games start coming thick and fast
Teams aren't scared of us, can ETH develop us to the level were teams are scared to play us before they even take unto the pitch I doubt that.
In this case, "fabled" means imaginary. So, no, this team you propose won't play that either.
The half time sub seemed panicky and unnecessary as we were the better team by then. And then he took off the wrong player and it meant that our positional discipline in the press went out the window and Brighton then dominated for a good while after the half. He was going to make another wrong sub before Amad score surely, and that would have made it even worse for the team to maintain any sort of attacking cohesion.
On the positive the game plan and team play has had an improvement so far, but EtH's in-game and squad management is still massively questionable.
On the positive the game plan and team play has had an improvement so far, but EtH's in-game and squad management is still massively questionable.
There were games where pogba the imbecile strung about 10 passes about him. It will remain a pipe dream for legend that is antony.
My (stupid) hope is that with Ugarte who is much more mobile than Casemiro, we'd be able to control games without 2 attacking midfielders in front of the double pivot.
In only 78 matches, so we are losing 8% of his matches to injury time winners. His in game management really is extremely poor.
It’s because the players get knackered. Please value the ball Hag I beg you. Save yourself.
Shocking. This is what happens when every game is on a knife edge because we have no control and can't score goals.
Well, it didn't help.
But he's had enough time and spent enough money to get us passing the ball better than this, which is Ten Hag's responsibility. The lack of progress and improvement is worrying, but almost more importantly is I don't even think he's interested in building a side which can keep possession of a football.
6 in just over 2 seasons, terrible. On the other hand, just 2 defeats in 30 years is impressive. 30 years
It's not going to get better either because this is how Ten Hag wants to play. He's not a top four PL manager.
Bad manager, has no long term vision of what his team should be and seemed to have run out of ideas. Similarly, INEOS recruitment has no clear plan in terms of the recruitment
explain
Yes but it’s easy to explain and has nothing to do with the skill or in game management - Sir Alex and the rest were just lucky, Erik is very unlucky. The longer we stick with him, the higher the chances of turning the tides - just like in casino, you don’t leave the roulette if you see it landed on red 10 times in row, you keep betting on black because surely it has to eventually work.
Many think he's had more than enough time but also feel he deserved a chance under proper structure
I get so frustrated he doesn't value possession whatsoever, especially when the look at the stuff played by many other teams in league
Yes exactly. It is a results business and as you say, he is still in the job by the skin of his teeth.
I can not imagine that will continue if he isn't able to start winning consistently.
But it is always important to remember that it is the players who need to take responsibility as well. He can only do so much.
Yeah it's so annoying
Exactly. He seems dead set on counterattacking his way to a serial Premier League title winning dynasty That is just not going to happen, ever. It offers far too little control to be sustainable over longer periods of time. Not to mention how much energy it wastes and the amount of injuries it provokes.
Instead of just looking at the type of possession football that gives the best teams control, he wants to force something that just isn't viable. And it's perfectly exemplified by the types of players we value the most by giving them way too much playing time and luxury contracts: Bruno and Rashford. They are just not suited to controlling possession in the slightest. It will never work with either of them as focal points in the team, just as it won't work with a manager that doesn't value possession.
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Yeah stubbornness that will get him sacked
If he doesn't fix our goalscoring problem within like 2 months then we will know for sure keeping him wasn't the right call.
Can't go anywhere in football scoring as few goals as we do.
We've scored 57 and 58 goals in his two seasons. If it's even remotely trending that way again this can't continue as those are mid table club numbers.
Can't go anywhere in football scoring as few goals as we do.
We've scored 57 and 58 goals in his two seasons. If it's even remotely trending that way again this can't continue as those are mid table club numbers.