RedDevil@84
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Hope we "stick to the plan" in next 3 games.
If this is true, I'll be shocked if he's here at the start of next season. Could possibly be gone as early as Nov/Dec too IMO.
So a very good performance wouldn't ease your nerves around Ten Hag remotely?Here’s the thing, we might just do that. You know why? Southampton so far are the worst team in the league and look like they won’t a scratch card competition to play in the PL this season. The problem is we’ll be right back to this shite as soon as we come up against a semi decent team from the top half of the table.
Before I engage with you further please watch that video from 13 mins on. You’ll understand the point I was making is nowhere near the one you are arguing against.Have to disagree. I could take over right now and ask the team to play 2011 Barca style tiki-taka with Casemiro playing the Messi role. Same principles that Pep gets lauded for. Not sure I'd be offered the same praise after getting walloped by a cricket score at home to Ipswich.
Either ETH has to coach a system that the players at his disposal can competently execute or he teaches them to play his complex but rewarding system or he signs players who arrive already knowing the 'ETH way' and can hit the ground running from day one.
Considering he seems to be pretty shit at the first two, we can hardly blame the club for going with option 3 and signing a bunch of players who already know him and his so-called style.
Yes, I agree!Fewer shots on goal would definitely help Onana, but he needs to improve every aspect of his play -- positioning when under threat, shot stopping itself, command of the box, organizing his back line, short and long ball distribution. There's no aspect of his game about which one could plausibly argue meets the standard of what is expected of a United keeper. Or even a Spurs keeper.
Players are still hung over from international breakA defeat and another bad performance......Ten Hag can't survive that.
I’m open to him turning things around but the performances have been the same for the best part of 18 months. We play well against these shite teams that haven’t got a clue, get schooled by the big boys and are hit or miss against the mid table teams. The consistency at which that happens doesn’t suggest anything is being turned around or improving, it’s just a very expensive squad battering a very inexpensive squad due to individual ability.So a very good performance wouldn't ease your nerves around Ten Hag remotely?
I dont have any issue if this is the case, and I'd understand your school of thought. But curious to know how hardened the stance is.
Players did not "stick to the plan"A defeat and another bad performance......Ten Hag can't survive that.
I didn't say that, did I?
Last season we sucked against the bottom teams too, sadly.I’m open to him turning things around but the performances have been the same for the best part of 18 months. We play well against these shite teams that haven’t got a clue, get schooled by the big boys and are hit or miss against the mid table teams. The consistency at which that happens doesn’t suggest anything is being turned around or improving, it’s just a very expensive squad battering a very inexpensive squad due to individual ability.
What credibility does this handle have?
It’s easy to excuse as well. They weren’t his signings, they were club signings.We cannot say "he doesnt have the players to play his style" anymore. He spent over 600M to recruit a team he wants. If Casemiro cannot play the way he wants his #6 to play, that's on Ten Hag.
InjuriesA defeat and another bad performance......Ten Hag can't survive that.
Would that be a man management issue? He isn't very good at that is he.Players did not "stick to the plan"
At this point I think that the plan is just a drawing of some lemmings walking off a cliff, with Ten Hag hovering above them, wearing a propeller hat with his willy hanging out.Hope we "stick to the plan" in next 3 games.
Pre-season bulking on an exclusive diet of greasy fish & chips or kroketten ?-People in the club think ugarte is ahead of some of our players in terms of fitness already.
Called it. We'll see how long he holds up against Ten Hag's anti-fitness regime.
So a very good performance wouldn't ease your nerves around Ten Hag remotely?
I dont have any issue if this is the case, and I'd understand your school of thought. But curious to know how hardened the stance is.
Fun fact lemmings don’t do that. I can neither confirm nor deny the Ten Hag allegations.At this point I think that the plan is just a drawing of some lemmings walking off a cliff, with Ten Hag hovering above them, wearing a propeller hat with his willy hanging out.
Yep. Nothing to suggest we'll suddenly turn in a good performance. Particularly in an away game under Ten Hag.I'm not so sure. Sheffield united were beyond terrible last season, and in the away game vs them last year we looked pretty shite. There was large periods of the game where they were the better team.
Yep. Nothing to suggest we'll suddenly turn in a good performance. Particularly in an away game under Ten Hag.
Agree. Something I can't remember the last time we saw it from us.“Good performance” is also an extremely vague and subjective term. If we create a few big chances, tuck away a couple but still get sucked into an end to end game where Soton just feck up the final action enough times where we win 2-0 or something that’s hardly a good performance.
For me, “good” would be consistently putting pressure on them in the final third, snuffing out attacks quickly with minimal exertion, and in general having a level of control on the match that makes it seem very comfortable.
All good pal! Fingers crossed we pick up significantly later this season.If I've misinterpreted your post that I was referring to mate apologies.
All good pal! Fingers crossed we pick up significantly later this season.
One good game would not change anything, no.
I did watch the video. It was interesting, so thanks for linking it!Before I engage with you further please watch that video from 13 mins on. You’ll understand the point I was making is nowhere near the one you are arguing against.
Yeah I am talking about my perception not the general public. I agree with you and I had said before that getting a draw against Southampton will improve his support to 25-30% and winning may get it to 40-50%.It will though, because that's who we are. It's how football discourse has gone too. A striker can be dreadful for months and one deflects in off his bum and it's "take that, doubters"
A win will absolutely change everything. It shouldn't, but it will. Managers doing just enough at crucial junctions in a failed season to avoid getting the sack and instead ploughing on until the next point where they need a win to alleviate pressure, is our speciality.
If we win there'll be a massive upsurge in people wetting themselves at the nerve of those who dared to doubt.
It’s easy to excuse as well. They weren’t his signings, they were club signings.
I mean, people have convinced themselves that Antony and Onana were club signings so what can you do.This mad narrative has been a thing since the Jose days. It's used to suit agendas: player plays well, manager wanted him, player doesn’t play well, club signed him.
The ready made excuses have been used across 3 managers too. It's bonkers.
FA cup final showed no vibes and no tactics? Feck off.Would be an improvement on Ten Hag's zero vibes and zero tactical nous.
Yes and no. He abandoned his system after it failed to produce goals and entertainment. Instead we went for a more pragmatic style.I've just thought of something. Out of all the post Fergie managers we've had, Van Gaal was the only one who actually managed to implement a system. One of the features of Van Gaal's time at the club was promoting young players and being rid of the older ones who uncoachable.
None.What credibility does this handle have?
I mean, people have convinced themselves that Antony and Onana were club signings so what can you do.
Anyone who was a bit naff after being signed by Jose, Ole and ETH was absolutely a club signing.
Painful isn’t it? People have to be extreme on here now, you’re either in one camp or another, no in between.Is ‘Agenda’ a new word for ‘Opinion’ or ‘Point of view’?
Does everything have to be so combative and polarised?