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moses said:
Well we don't know that. But there are so many new players personnel and departments bedding in there is a logic to letting those processes settle a bit. So that's basically why I don't think an interim (bar someone already here) or a anyone will do appointment will work.
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I don’t get what you’re getting at. I mean, okay I can see the point you’re trying to make, but that point would have made sense if we were let’s say 9th or so and actually looked like things might turn a little positive.

As it stands we are 14th with a negative goal difference, closer to one of the relegation spots than we are to sixth place, and things just look like they are going to continue getting worse. I don’t think it’s possible to say we don’t know if things can get worse, because the only way someone can do a worse job is if they come in and we lose every single match in every competition, rather than losing most matches and drawing here and there in all competitions like we’re doing right now. I genuinely don’t think it is possible for us to be doing worse than we are doing right now.

To be clear, I’m not saying bring back Moyes or hire Rooney, because those are generally not very good ideas beyond the immediate term, but in the immediate to short term there is no possible way things can get worse.
 
Cloud7 said:
I don’t get what you’re getting at. I mean, okay I can see the point you’re trying to make, but that point would have made sense if we were let’s say 9th or so and actually looked like things might turn a little positive.
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We are one win from 9th or 10th, so you'd understand it more if we beat villa?

Just taking stock of the opinion before people jump on my ass
 
If this guy survives the international break, I know Mourinho is cooking up something nasty for him
 
VP89 said:
We are one win from 9th or 10th, so you'd understand it more if we beat villa?

Just taking stock of the opinion before people jump on my ass
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I would understand the point a bit more, not agree with it. I still think that genuinely any of the other 19 managers in the league would do a better job than ETH in the short term, because the situation has spiralled beyond what he can try to get under control. However not all of them would be a good idea beyond the immediate term.

I am merely discussing the point that sticking with ETH right now is absolutely the worst thing we could be doing. Even if our preferred solution is not available right now, we need to arrest the current decline in some way.

Even if a new ship is the best solution to the issue of your ship sinking, temporarily plugging the leak while you try to get a new ship is better than leaving the ship to sink while saying “if we plug the leak then that might cause another issue somewhere else”
 
Tomorrow should be EtH last game as our manager regardless of the result. We've not been consistently good for a while and Erik doesn't look like the man to pull us back.

We've have some success in the cups but that comes with a few caveats. Favorable drawers, the littlest of offside calls and a few exciting ends to a match.

I don't know who is out there that can make us better but it's not my job find one. I just feel like EtH time at Old Trafford is over and he's just sat waiting for the call to come. It's a shame as I like the bloke and he talks a good game but his tactics are lacking as is his demeanor at the side of the pitch come match days. I long for a good, passionate manager instructing the players where to be, how to attack!

If he's not gone by the end of next week I'd be surprised and disappointed as it would surly mean more dark days ahead.

A new manager may not work but it would give us some hope to cling to and I haven't felt that, consistently, for what feels a lifetime.
 
moses said:
But nobody is saying that. I'm saying the calls for anyone but ETH are naive.
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So you're basically saying we need the replacement to be potentially better while knowing nothing is guaranteed and you have the proof in front of you that even someone as good as eth was expected to be can fail 100%?
 
Cloud7 said:
I would understand the point a bit more, not agree with it. I still think that genuinely any of the other 19 managers in the league would do a better job than ETH in the short term, because the situation has spiralled beyond what he can try to get under control. However not all of them would be a good idea beyond the immediate term.

I am merely discussing the point that sticking with ETH right now is absolutely the worst thing we could be doing. Even if our preferred solution is not available right now, we need to arrest the current decline in some way.

Even if a new ship is the best solution to the issue of your ship sinking, temporarily plugging the leak while you try to get a new ship is better than leaving the ship to sink while saying “if we plug the leak then that might cause another issue somewhere else”
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OK fair enough. There's a lot of people unwilling to give time even if we confidently win tomorrow. I dont think it's a unreasonable opinion from these guys, they've tolerated as much as they can.
 
hobbers said:
I would gladly trade that poxy league cup for not being humiliated in the CL later in the year and not experiencing the 7-0 a week later. No one will ever look back fondly on that league cup win. It only exists to make Ten Hag fans feel better.
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Yeah the CL humiliation was uncomfortable, however the 7-0 is a permanent scar especially when you think it was only 1-0 at HT
 
croadyman said:
Yeah the CL humiliation was uncomfortable, however the 7-0 is a permanent scar especially when you think it was only 1-0 at HT
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When I was saying this, almost full forum bashed me and said that mickey mouse cup is better even if it meant getting pornhubed by fkin liverpool scum. Here we are, almost 2 year from that point, still getting trashed.
 
If Villa score early tomorrow, we’re going to get flambéed. A big, red, sizzling plume of panic and despair. Emery has already said he wants to see a big performance from his side and not to act small time, revelling in the CL victory.

The atmosphere will be cracking and we’re well down on confidence with no leaders in sight on or off the pitch. If they score early, I think we’ll be lucky to leave with less than a 4-goal deficit. Fun times.
 
Fortitude said:
If Villa score early tomorrow, we’re going to get flambéed. A big, red, sizzling plume of panic and despair. Emery has already said he wants to see a big performance from his side and not to act small time, revelling in the CL victory.

The atmosphere will be cracking and we’re well down on confidence with no leaders in sight on or off the pitch. If they score early, I think we’ll be lucky to leave with less than a 4-goal deficit. Fun times.
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Imagine what it might be like against Brentford as well, who like to score within a minute.
 
Fortitude said:
If Villa score early tomorrow, we’re going to get flambéed. A big, red, sizzling plume of panic and despair. Emery has already said he wants to see a big performance from his side and not to act small time, revelling in the CL victory.

The atmosphere will be cracking and we’re well down on confidence with no leaders in sight on or off the pitch. If they score early, I think we’ll be lucky to leave with less than a 4-goal deficit. Fun times.
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Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
 
spwd said:
No but for a couple of seasons while we stabilise he would be ideal. Just depends if he'll go for a short term contract. But I guess we could extend it if he continues to do well.
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He wouldn't be the long term appointment for me, however definitely feel he could stabilise and make us a more attractive project in a couple of years
 
stevoc said:
Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
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Going to be a surreal game, methinks. Villa baying for blood and us, well, fragile and uncertain, at best.
 
VP89 said:
OK fair enough. There's a lot of people unwilling to give time even if we confidently win tomorrow. I dont think it's a unreasonable opinion from these guys, they've tolerated as much as they can.
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I’m not willing to give time if we win confidently tomorrow either :lol:

This disaster show needs to end. There’s more than enough evidence that it’s not going to get substantially better at any point even if it gets marginally better for a while.
 
Cloud7 said:
I’m not willing to give time if we win confidently tomorrow either :lol:

This disaster show needs to end. There’s more than enough evidence that it’s not going to get substantially better at any point even if it gets marginally better for a while.
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Yeah thats fair enough, I am almost there myself and I was one of the biggest defenders of giving him time.
 
Fortitude said:
Would rather not. It’s a very undignified end, and it dragging on beyond the international break would be rank humiliation.

Edit: it’s going to happen, isn’t it? :(
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We are in a terrible position. What do they do if we go and beat Villa? If we lose you hope they just get on with sacking him. If we win you would hope they realise it is likely another false dawn. The shambles at Porto should have made their minds up.
 
stevoc said:
Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
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We are really poor, Every single part in our game is subpar and our game and results reflect that.
 
If you watcg most of the league games these days you see teams who have a good structure and build from there. Just saw the Newcastle game and you can clearly see what Howe is doing with that team. It's crazy that 3 years into his reign we have no structure at all, we lose the ball in midfield every 10 seconds and then the attackers are 1 on 1 with Onana all the time
 
TsuWave said:
You don't even need to go that far. I know it in my heart that Emery and Glasner would be doing better. feck it, at this point I even believe that Iraola, O'Neill, Marco Silva and Thomas Frank would be doing better. I mean think of the resources and you could argue all of them are doing better comparatively
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Any of the above would be doing better at United. Ten Hag is legitimately a bottom half manager in the prem.

I don’t care about “2 trophies”. He’s the worst post Fergie (excluding caretakers - and even including them he might only better Ragnick, maybe). We were shit under the other guys too, but there’s just something about this Ten Hag side that’s just extra shambolic
 
moses said:
This is not a binary. There are degrees. The wrong appointment while so many new parts of the structure are bedding could be even more disastrous. It's very hard to know what is and isn't working. There is a logic to letting it settle and then letting the new guy coach rather than juggle and firefight. In my opinion that's what hindered ETH, and would've had a similarly negative effect on anyone who was appointed. Maybe less so or moreso, but it's a factor.
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On the contrary, it’s very easy to know a few the fundamental things that are not working - our tactics and our in game management. Those are very specific things that are clearly hindering us on the pitch that can be quickly changed with a change in manager.

And I really don’t understand this argument about “letting it settle”. Continuing with a failing manager as we drop further and further down the table makes it much harder for things to “settle” - it ramps up pressure on Ineos, using up what good will they have, places the club under even closer media scrutiny, and has a detrimental affect on the confidence of the squad. The longer that goes on the harder it will be for a new manager to come in, not easier. And if we rule ourselves out of Europe early, then it also makes the pool of potential managers and players that want to come here smaller.

Seems to me like if you let the fire get bigger, the harder it gets to firefight.
 
DJ_21 said:
Monday morning should be when he’s sacked. Or maybe Sunday night since the games at 2pm. However I read something the other day that said the higher ups are having a meeting on Tuesday?
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Yeah although wasn't there a suggestion the meeting had been arranged in advance, does make me think it won't happen on Monday morning though
 
Seems like it will be Ruud in pretty early, if ETH force Ineos's hands in the next few games, maybe as early as Villa...and then the unknown target for next season will take over in the summer. I don't think the media have any idea who that is, though.
 
stevoc said:
Manchester United going to play Villa with most of us having little hope for a win and all praying we don't get battered.

What has he done to us :(
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I'm filled with dread and a feeling of uneasiness when we play bottom table teams these days, Villa flying high at 5th is like playing prime Barca.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah although wasn't there a suggestion the meeting had been arranged in advance, does make me think it won't happen on Monday morning though
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I forgot the game was early Sunday. Could be as early as Sunday night or as late as Tuesday.
 
Berbaclass said:
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Look at how the ETH media mouthpiece is trying to frame RVN as a snake, by saying that RVN is 'worried about being thought of as a snake', according to some random guy in Holland, and that there's tension between them. These media rats aren't good at subtlety
 
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