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He did a number on a lot of fans by blaming the media for hounding him out, with a bit of Mourinho-like posturing for good measure - the media were asking general and fair questions based on his completely mediocre performance as manager week to week the previous season. They were just saying what a lot of people thought - he’s not the right man for the job and nothing this season so far has suggested otherwise.It’s just times like tonight that genuinely make me angry at our supporters. Just thinking about the months on end many defended everything he did in the face of overwhelming evidence that hes shit.
Yes, all other concerns should be temporarily case aside, significant short term pain inflicted, in pursuit of improving consensus in our online fanbase. A thing that definitely matters a great deal.
People in desperate helpless situations take comfort in convincing themselves that they have more agency than they do. Meanwhile fan opinion is led by the decisions the club makes, or often the rumours that signal the decisions the club will soon make public, rather than the other way around.TBF the opinions of fans have seemed to matter a lot since Fergie retired, which is a problem because when fan opinion has been almost always wrong about United.
I'm genuinely scratching my head trying to think of a decision the club made that was actively unpopular at the time the club made it. Maybe Phil Jones and Jesse Lingard contract extensions and the Mount and Fellaini signings? But beyond that they've almost always gone for players fans were happy with and the overwhelming fan favourite for managers.
Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
“Heh, we won two cups so are the best team after City, heh.”And people are still defending this clown
That’s a huge disrespect to Wenger. ETH is nowhere near him.If SAF was the master of game management Ten Hag must be the extreme opposite of that. His original plan when it was on song was pretty enjoyable to watch but when opposition team made one or few changes he could hardly adapt. Hes Dutch's Arsene Wenger and just like Wenger's Arsenal we should be prepared for some big embarrasment losses.
He's had plenty of time and plenty of backing, he's just not good enough - it's as simple as that.Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
Its wild. It’s absolutely astonishing how flaky, indecisive, flippy floppy some people are. Like harsh reality is staring them in the face still they choose to ignore that.«Keep» went from 10 % to 22 % after beating a promoted team and some farts from the 3rd tier. This fanbase never ceases to amaze me.
Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
Fans pressure and INEOS unable to secure Tuchel / de Zerbi, but I think it’s mostly the former. Believe it or not I still expect fans to put pressure on them to keep him now because for some reason we have developed a collective sense of superiority over other fan groups which is heavily predicated on us ‘standing behind manager’. You still have people appearing here and saying we need to give him more years because Fergie only started winning after 5-6. It’s complete lunacy, levels of delusion unfathomable to a normal football follower.I really don't understand why/how we ended up with him in charge for this season.
With the very strong rumours he was getting the sack no matter what happened in the FA cup final, I was very surprised.
Is it because there were no other viable options to replace him?
Excellent post. Sums up my feelings perfectly. Agree with everything.One of the more frustrating points I've tried to nail in to people's heads around here is that you don't just magically score more goals "by bringing in better goalscorers". Especially in 2024 when chance creation is so systemic for many teams. Just because you stick Haaland up top instead of Zirkzee wouldn't mean we are magically contending for the league. Sure it would help but he certainly wouldn't hit his City numbers here and the attack would still be disjointed because we simply don't create any "easy" chances that are repeatable. Most of our creation comes from one of Bruno's 50 tries, or pure individual quality from a winger. But you rarely see the type of goal scored by Garnacho against Soton from our side.
It's also why I've constantly pushed back on the notion that Bruno is required for us to ever score/create as a team when people cite his huge creation metrics. There are hardly any other teams in the world that rely on a singular creator, much less a flawed one, yet a team like Arsenal scores plenty of goals because their team and system result in numerous opportunites and aren't just reliant on a few moments where if the player on the end of a random cross/pass doesn't ruthlessly finish it we lose and people lament our forwards.
It’s gone on a lot longer than ETH has been here. We’ve hit 70+ once I think and that’s purely because we played an entire game against 10 man Southampton. It would be interesting if someone can be bothered to work out the standard deviation of goals from each season, I’d assume the Mou 2nd season would be when we were the best.This team has had a goal scoring problem ever since Ten Hag became manager. This is the third season now and it’s not going to change no matter who’s playing. This is a managerial limitation.
That means very little - and I believe you're wrong if you don't think it was a factor. I mean, reports around the time came out outright stating Ineos were aware of a groundswell of support among fans for Ten Hag. It was evidently a consideration.
We can't just keep holding out and give every manager 5-6 years in case they turn into the next Fergie. It's not going to happen - Fergie was a one off. We need to move away from this fantasy. That being said I'm all for giving the manager adequate time - which I think Ten Hag has had now to start 'churning out nice football' or at the very least an improvement on the last two years.Let's give him a bit of time, folks. Fergie took 5-6 years before he started churning out nice football. if you can't support us when we're shite, you can't support us when we're good. I will reserve my judgement until the end of this year at the very least
Fans pressure and INEOS unable to secure Tuchel / de Zerbi, but I think it’s mostly the former. Believe it or not I still expect fans to put pressure on them to keep him now because for some reason we have developed a collective sense of superiority over other fan groups which is heavily predicated on us ‘standing behind manager’. You still have people appearing here and saying we need to give him more years because Fergie only started winning after 5-6. It’s complete lunacy, levels of delusion unfathomable to a normal football follower.
The ice has already cracked and he's fell through. Look at the poll, listen to the sentiment in here and online, look at our results and performances, listen to the likes of Andy Mitten and Laurie Whitwell try to spin positives while clearly referencing decent from match going fans. Many managers better than Ten Hag haven't been able to recover from this position.Big game v Spurs needed or else this ice will start cracking. This is where EtH needs to take the reigns and deliver some statement results. It's down to him and the team now, big results needed effectively 3 wins.
Suspect they'll go back to Tuchel when Ten Hag gets booted.Thomas Tuchel is still out of a job, and De Zerbi signed for Marseille in late june. I'm sure INEOS could've gotten one of them if they really tried. Not buying that explanation at all.
The Tammy Wynettes on the other hand... It is indeed surprising how parts of our fan base took the words of SAF a bit to literally.
We're at the point where even scraping a win at Tottenham or Villa would mean we're just delaying the inevitable, like when Ole beat Spurs in the middle of that terrible run that got him sacked. You would think that if we don't see some massive improvements, and I mean massive, in the next two games he'll be gone in the next international break.