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Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Lopetegui made changes. ETH wasn't able to adjust as per. A bit of momentum for WHU, a bit of VAR BS from the attention-w#$%e Oliver, and here we are.
I just have to laugh at this point. I was outraged with how low we got under Ole and how he kept surviving, but reading the this thread tonight and all the stats, we're considerably worse. And the dreaded 'R' word is now creeping in, which will be on everyone's mind if we lose next weekend and a couple of other results go a certain way.
I've been wanting rid of ETH for so long now that I just feel tired by it all. Seeing him survive that last break and come out talking is though he's bullet proof has me feeling indifferent to everything related to United right now. I didn't even come in here expecting to hear anything about him being sacked as I subconsciously know he's not going anywhere for a long time, and I'm at the point where I don't care what we do as this season is done anyway.
Every loss or dropped points just feels like nothing to me right now, a normality, and that's why i found the stats so startling as to how bad we've been. It's really crazy how far we've fallen, and it's criminal how INEOS have allowed this to happen. But here we are. Even my excitement and hope that they brought has now completely eroded. I'm looking at all their appointments through a different lense now and wondering how good these appointments actually are. Seeing United fans get excited by their arrival kind of feels like looking back on that excitement over things like the Alexis Sanchez signing...just another complete misplacing of hope. And the potential for that was always there when you look at the fact they are doing entirely different roles (Berrada, Wilcox) or just have never been part of a top, successful setup (Ashworth). We're fecking fecked, I can just feel it.
I've been wanting rid of ETH for so long now that I just feel tired by it all. Seeing him survive that last break and come out talking is though he's bullet proof has me feeling indifferent to everything related to United right now. I didn't even come in here expecting to hear anything about him being sacked as I subconsciously know he's not going anywhere for a long time, and I'm at the point where I don't care what we do as this season is done anyway.
Every loss or dropped points just feels like nothing to me right now, a normality, and that's why i found the stats so startling as to how bad we've been. It's really crazy how far we've fallen, and it's criminal how INEOS have allowed this to happen. But here we are. Even my excitement and hope that they brought has now completely eroded. I'm looking at all their appointments through a different lense now and wondering how good these appointments actually are. Seeing United fans get excited by their arrival kind of feels like looking back on that excitement over things like the Alexis Sanchez signing...just another complete misplacing of hope. And the potential for that was always there when you look at the fact they are doing entirely different roles (Berrada, Wilcox) or just have never been part of a top, successful setup (Ashworth). We're fecking fecked, I can just feel it.
Ten Hag has no attacking strategy other than the ball over the top into space, normally down the wide channels, when teams are ready for it the attacking play is rendered highly ineffectual and relies entirely on individual moments of quality to make things happen.
It is an extraordinarily basic style of play.
The fascinating thing is just how bad it would to get for him to be sacked? Clearly it is not about 70-80 games of being consistently dreadful, do they have to drop into the bottom 3 or would Ineos still be holding on to promising 45 mins against Palace and West Ham and ignoring everything else?
Erik the unsackable
That was our 7th injury time PL defeat today under ETH. In the 21 years before he joined it only happened twice.
Last minute winners conceded in PL History:
06/07 – Arsenal 2-1 Man Utd (Thierry Henry 90+3 – 21/01/07)
19/20 - Man Utd 1-2 Crystal Palace (Patrick van Aanholt 90+3 - 24/08/19)
TEN HAG ARRIVES:
22/23 - Arsenal 3-2 Man Utd (Eddie Nketiah 90th min - 22/01/23)
22/23 - Brighton 1-0 Man Utd (Alexix McAllister 90+9 - 04/05/23)
23/24 - Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd (Declan Rice 90+6 - 03/11/23)
23/24 - Man Utd 1-2 Fulham (Alex Iwobi 90+7 - 24/02/24)
23/24 - Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd (Cole Palmer 90+11 – 04/04/24)
24/25 - Brighton 2-1 Man Utd (Joao Pedro 90+5 - 24/08/24)
24/25 - West Ham 2-1 Man Utd (Bowen 90+2 - 27/10/24)
It’s levels of shit I genuinely didn’t think was possible.
Last minute winners conceded in PL History:
06/07 – Arsenal 2-1 Man Utd (Thierry Henry 90+3 – 21/01/07)
19/20 - Man Utd 1-2 Crystal Palace (Patrick van Aanholt 90+3 - 24/08/19)
TEN HAG ARRIVES:
22/23 - Arsenal 3-2 Man Utd (Eddie Nketiah 90th min - 22/01/23)
22/23 - Brighton 1-0 Man Utd (Alexix McAllister 90+9 - 04/05/23)
23/24 - Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd (Declan Rice 90+6 - 03/11/23)
23/24 - Man Utd 1-2 Fulham (Alex Iwobi 90+7 - 24/02/24)
23/24 - Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd (Cole Palmer 90+11 – 04/04/24)
24/25 - Brighton 2-1 Man Utd (Joao Pedro 90+5 - 24/08/24)
24/25 - West Ham 2-1 Man Utd (Bowen 90+2 - 27/10/24)
It’s levels of shit I genuinely didn’t think was possible.
Is he gone yet
Complete coward of a manager we hired. Doesn’t even come out swinging after that farcical penalty decision. Just meekly stands on the touchline and accepts every decision. Do you think he inspires the players? Just a dour, insipid dullard with zero personality and charisma. He’s not a united manager. Never was never will be.
Sad times. The right thing to do is so obvious. Sporting wise they must know. So it’s only about saving money then?
that Chelsea one was unforgiveable
We came 3rd and 2nd in his Ole's full seasons. It was underwhelming and often felt directionless, but how you can even compare it to this is beyond me.
When it all completely fell apart for Ole, he was rightfully sacked, well before it could descend into mid-table finishes (or worse).
It feels like there must be some sort of sunk-cost fallacy logic going on with ETH at this point. Half a billion quid invested on his Ajax mates.
They need to stop the rot now though and that means ethl needs to go now. He's not affecting games positively in any way so there's no reason to keep him. I've said it before but I believe when he's gone the whole place will get a huge lift including the players.
Obviously slightly skewed by ETH being there for the era when they suddenly decided to add 10 minutes to every match, but still a crazy stat.
I am positive that things will change when ten Hag is out. Ruud might not be the permanent replacement, but at least short term we would be better off than now.
Looks like I need a new mouse mat
That is just staggeringly bad.
So we went from 1992 to 2023 with it happening twice and in 2024 alone it's happened 4 times?
Just appalling. We're an embarrassment.
Nothing other than cost make any kind of sense for reasons not to sack him.
ETH is a fraud for sure. He has his favourites and he believes his favourites will come through for him, he has zero tactical strategies. I surprised that Amad has dropped out of the squad in favour of Rashford on the right. Why??? What happen to the promising start in the first few games? It was his cross that lead to the goal. Why Marouri plays as no. 10 when Bruno is suspected? Why is Ugarte sitting of the bench after the board spent 54 mil to get him? We are constantly beaten by teams below us and he finds excuses after excuses. I hate his press conference, it is a proud and arrogant idiot who knows that he is backed but I hope Ineos sack him this week and put Ruud in-charge. Worst manager that we have hire for last 40 years and I cannot understand why he still has a job.
I believe ETH is doing everything in his power, to break every negative record that the previous managers failed to break.
Incompetence on the part of INEOS is the reason. I don't think it has anything to do with cost.
I genuinely believe the INEOS don't know what to do and are hoping (absolutely crazy to think that the board are living in hope) that things improve under ETH.
Nothing angered me more than the injury apologists here. The fact that ten hag used this excuse so frequently and so many people ate it up was beyond me. A manager that can perform only when all the stars align and he has no injuries is really not a good outlook. There are so many variables in football that hoping that all of them click at the same time, when you want it is really delusional. That’s why you should adapt to the circumstances, which is something the relegation magician cannot do
Do we actually the have the money to sack him? For him and the rest of his saboteurs, we're probably looking at another £20 million in coaching compensation.
Worst manager across Europe's top 5 leagues.
But at this point, the board is to blame. He should have been sacked numerous times by now. They will wait until it's too late and another season will be wasted.
I fear it'll be a very long time until we challenge for the Prem again.
But at this point, the board is to blame. He should have been sacked numerous times by now. They will wait until it's too late and another season will be wasted.
I fear it'll be a very long time until we challenge for the Prem again.
So in our last 38 games we’ve accumulated 58 points (W15, D11, L12, goals for 57, goals against 58).
Keep going like this and we’re heading for around 44-50 points this season.
Absolutely no excuses. ETH has to go.
Keep going like this and we’re heading for around 44-50 points this season.
Absolutely no excuses. ETH has to go.
Yep. And yet we’ve still had posters here claiming that Ten Hag employs the same tactics as Liverpool, it’s just that our players can’t execute his plan. Absolutely laughable.
I don’t blame ETH for the capitulation to West Ham, but he wore out his welcome long ago and yet the club owners dither and in dithering we continue to drop closer to the relegation zone than midtable.
We all expected ManUtd would lose against fenerbache , against Brentford and West ham..
Now he won against Brentford and drew away to Fenerbache
So the board should back him
Now he won against Brentford and drew away to Fenerbache
So the board should back him
Agree completely
According to ETH we came back last season to finish with more than 30 points less than the winner and we will do so again. He can really just f... off. Keep this up and we will struggle to get 50 points and have - 12 goals.
He needs a reality check his head has gone.
He needs a reality check his head has gone.
At this point I am assuming the board are waiting to have the next manager all agreed before pulling the trigger with Ten Hag. We are still speaking to managers if certain journalists are to be believed. He is interim manager.
I don’t either, but at the same time there’s something to be said that his tactical setup has Dalot and Bruno constantly closer to goal than Rashford. Or that he has Rashford playing in a roaming deep creator role with Dalot outside of him while Amad comes on (who is ideal as a roaming creator) and sticks him on the touch line with Dalot inverted. He seems to constantly misprofile his players to an inexcusable degree
Neville speaking on his podcast, says ETH ‘can’t’ lose against Chelsea or he’s done, essentially. Even his language is changing lately, you can tell he wants him out too.
They've got it but do they want to spend it adding even more financial losses is the question.
Dropped out in favour of Rashford? Forget that: he has dropped below Antony because of Antony's 'training performances'. This is the same man (ETH) who last season claimed that Amad was 'unlucky' not to start more games ahead of Antony because he had been training very well. He is such a liar, gas-lighter and fraud.
I have no time for Sancho, but it's looking increasingly likely that he had a point re: favourites.
The "deserves another season"/"proper crack of the whip"/"under the INEOS structure" were some of the worst takes on managerial meritocracy I've ever seen
That's so funny, this guy has so many lives. Every two games is "the next two games are decisive for his future" guy goes 1 win in 8 and now it's "can't lose against Chelsea"
what happens if he doesn't lose against Chelsea?
That's so funny, this guy has so many lives. Every two games is "the next two games are decisive for his future" guy goes 1 win in 8 and now it's "can't lose against Chelsea"
what happens if he doesn't lose against Chelsea?
We feel marginally better about life.The "deserves another season"/"proper crack of the whip"/"under the INEOS structure" were some of the worst takes on managerial meritocracy I've ever seen
That's so funny, this guy has so many lives. Every two games is "the next two games are decisive for his future" guy goes 1 win in 8 and now it's "can't lose against Chelsea"
what happens if he doesn't lose against Chelsea?
and if he wins or draws against Chelsea.....
Which is precisely what's going to happen.
This keeps coming up, but the £17m figure assumes we'd pay out the entirety of his contract as the severance, which in reality almost never happens.
More likely we'd settle on around a year's worth of wages (around £10m), or we'd just keep him on the books and keep paying his wages until he gets another job.
You have put into words perfectly how I feel
It's the hope that kills, I thought he was finally the right fit manager wise. I thought Ineos said the right things and wanted to get us back to the top
Husband who supports Liverpool said surely he's gone if we go out the cup midweek and lose to Chelsea. Honestly, I don't think even that will do it, Chelsea will be passed of as the level we are aspiring to in Moyes style. He's survived humiliations by what used to be fellow top 6 clubs before
I honestly think it will take an utter humiliation by a lower table club in the same way it was a pumping by Watford that finally sent Ole packing as they quite simply couldn't ignore such a disgusting result. (We've had a great number of those but it seemed even they couldn't ignore that)
Let's not forget a vast majority of us on tne forum wanted him gone after the FA cup even if we won. I said before we could won 10-0 and I'd still sack him because of everything that had gone before, yet they bowed to pressure and kept him on so only have themselves to blame for now having a greater compensation package due.
I get he can't sort the shocking finishing and shocking decision making but we are in free fall and have been for a very long time.
Could a win ever be as bad as a loss? As that's what the FA cup feels like
If they do finally sack him only to replace him with Southgate I give up hope completely
I'm past the point of being sick of the sight of this guy now. I feel like I can't give a shit any more.
I have no clue what INEOS (or whoever the f**k it is that runs us) have planned for us. But we're in the mud right now sinking deeper and deeper, we need a decision to be made but they just seem to be sat around with their thumb up their arse.
Can't be any worse than the Glazers, can they? Well, surprisingly they actually appear to be.
I have no clue what INEOS (or whoever the f**k it is that runs us) have planned for us. But we're in the mud right now sinking deeper and deeper, we need a decision to be made but they just seem to be sat around with their thumb up their arse.
Can't be any worse than the Glazers, can they? Well, surprisingly they actually appear to be.
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