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So I'm genuinely wondering, having only been able to watch the first half...
What went wrong/What did ETH do wrong the 2nd half? I mean , looking at the first half we were highly dominating and should have scored about 3.. What the hell happened in the 2nd half and how did ETH influence it (in a negative manner)?
He didn't adjust. In first half West Ham for the most part sat back and let us dictate midfield. For the beginning of the 2nd half it was the opposite. West ham brought more attacking players and kept more in possession. I thought he should have expected that. We should have pressed more as a unit when West ham started playing from the back because they hadn't done that all game. Put them under pressure and force them to play long ball. The longer we let them play and keep possession the more comfortable they were.
And in general this is the biggest problem at UTD. We do control games or dictate play for 90 mins. To do that, one we need to keep possession and play from the back. And two when not in possession, we need to more aggressive with the press and try to win the ball back. We are not a great pressing side and our midfeild doesn't dominate possession especially with Maino out
Erik the unsackable
that Chelsea one was unforgiveableThat was our 7th injury time PL defeat today under ETH. In the 21 years before he joined it only happened twice.
Last minute winners conceded in PL History:
06/07 – Arsenal 2-1 Man Utd (Thierry Henry 90+3 – 21/01/07)
19/20 - Man Utd 1-2 Crystal Palace (Patrick van Aanholt 90+3 - 24/08/19)
TEN HAG ARRIVES:
22/23 - Arsenal 3-2 Man Utd (Eddie Nketiah 90th min - 22/01/23)
22/23 - Brighton 1-0 Man Utd (Alexix McAllister 90+9 - 04/05/23)
23/24 - Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd (Declan Rice 90+6 - 03/11/23)
23/24 - Man Utd 1-2 Fulham (Alex Iwobi 90+7 - 24/02/24)
23/24 - Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd (Cole Palmer 90+11 – 04/04/24)
24/25 - Brighton 2-1 Man Utd (Joao Pedro 90+5 - 24/08/24)
24/25 - West Ham 2-1 Man Utd (Bowen 90+2 - 27/10/24)
It’s levels of shit I genuinely didn’t think was possible.
We came 3rd and 2nd in his Ole's full seasons. It was underwhelming and often felt directionless, but how you can even compare it to this is beyond me.I just have to laugh at this point. I was outraged with how low we got under Ole and how he kept surviving, but reading the this thread tonight and all the stats, we're considerably worse.
Suspect the only reason he wasn't sacked a couple of weeks ago is because SJR and the execs don't want to buy him out, especially as there aren't any viable managers to take over mid season. They could of course go with Ruud for the rest of the year, but are probably thinking "Would Ruud get us more success than ETH given the amount of pay out money we would lose by sacking the latter?".
That was our 7th injury time PL defeat today under ETH. In the 21 years before he joined it only happened twice.
Last minute winners conceded in PL History:
06/07 – Arsenal 2-1 Man Utd (Thierry Henry 90+3 – 21/01/07)
19/20 - Man Utd 1-2 Crystal Palace (Patrick van Aanholt 90+3 - 24/08/19)
TEN HAG ARRIVES:
22/23 - Arsenal 3-2 Man Utd (Eddie Nketiah 90th min - 22/01/23)
22/23 - Brighton 1-0 Man Utd (Alexix McAllister 90+9 - 04/05/23)
23/24 - Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd (Declan Rice 90+6 - 03/11/23)
23/24 - Man Utd 1-2 Fulham (Alex Iwobi 90+7 - 24/02/24)
23/24 - Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd (Cole Palmer 90+11 – 04/04/24)
24/25 - Brighton 2-1 Man Utd (Joao Pedro 90+5 - 24/08/24)
24/25 - West Ham 2-1 Man Utd (Bowen 90+2 - 27/10/24)
It’s levels of shit I genuinely didn’t think was possible.
They need to stop the rot now though and that means ethl needs to go now. He's not affecting games positively in any way so there's no reason to keep him. I've said it before but I believe when he's gone the whole place will get a huge lift including the players.
Looks like I need a new mouse matWake up doggy, new Manchester United DLC available! October defeat just dropped
That was our 7th injury time PL defeat today under ETH. In the 21 years before he joined it only happened twice.
Last minute winners conceded in PL History:
06/07 – Arsenal 2-1 Man Utd (Thierry Henry 90+3 – 21/01/07)
19/20 - Man Utd 1-2 Crystal Palace (Patrick van Aanholt 90+3 - 24/08/19)
TEN HAG ARRIVES:
22/23 - Arsenal 3-2 Man Utd (Eddie Nketiah 90th min - 22/01/23)
22/23 - Brighton 1-0 Man Utd (Alexix McAllister 90+9 - 04/05/23)
23/24 - Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd (Declan Rice 90+6 - 03/11/23)
23/24 - Man Utd 1-2 Fulham (Alex Iwobi 90+7 - 24/02/24)
23/24 - Chelsea 4-3 Man Utd (Cole Palmer 90+11 – 04/04/24)
24/25 - Brighton 2-1 Man Utd (Joao Pedro 90+5 - 24/08/24)
24/25 - West Ham 2-1 Man Utd (Bowen 90+2 - 27/10/24)
It’s levels of shit I genuinely didn’t think was possible.
I believe ETH is doing everything in his power, to break every negative record that the previous managers failed to break.That was our 7th injury time PL defeat today under ETH. In the 21 years before he joined it only happened twice.
Incompetence on the part of INEOS is the reason. I don't think it has anything to do with cost.Nothing other than cost make any kind of sense for reasons not to sack him.
Nothing angered me more than the injury apologists here. The fact that ten hag used this excuse so frequently and so many people ate it up was beyond me. A manager that can perform only when all the stars align and he has no injuries is really not a good outlook. There are so many variables in football that hoping that all of them click at the same time, when you want it is really delusional. That’s why you should adapt to the circumstances, which is something the relegation magician cannot doOf course. It was clear last year that injuries had a marginal impact on our performances and the core of the issue lay with insane tactics but there was a huge group of fans who believed that once he got all his players healthy it would ‘click’. I think some still believe that it’s about to click, so deep is the delusion.
Ten Hag has no attacking strategy other than the ball over the top into space, normally down the wide channels, when teams are ready for it the attacking play is rendered highly ineffectual and relies entirely on individual moments of quality to make things happen.
It is an extraordinarily basic style of play.
The fascinating thing is just how bad it would to get for him to be sacked? Clearly it is not about 70-80 games of being consistently dreadful, do they have to drop into the bottom 3 or would Ineos still be holding on to promising 45 mins against Palace and West Ham and ignoring everything else?
Agree completelyBut even if we did outplay City, which I'm not saying we actually did, it was a total one off game anyway. The idea that one game means everything else gets ignored and " he deserved" another season is ludicrous. If we'd had the exact same PL season last year and won the CL I still don't think I'd have wanted ETH to keep his job. Certainly not with the FA Cup.
Last season was fecking grim and this year has somehow felt even worse.
I don’t either, but at the same time there’s something to be said that his tactical setup has Dalot and Bruno constantly closer to goal than Rashford. Or that he has Rashford playing in a roaming deep creator role with Dalot outside of him while Amad comes on (who is ideal as a roaming creator) and sticks him on the touch line with Dalot inverted. He seems to constantly misprofile his players to an inexcusable degreeI don’t blame ETH for the capitulation to West Ham, but he wore out his welcome long ago and yet the club owners dither and in dithering we continue to drop closer to the relegation zone than midtable.
They've got it but do they want to spend it adding even more financial losses is the question.Do we actually the have the money to sack him? For him and the rest of his saboteurs, we're probably looking at another £20 million in coaching compensation.
ETH is a fraud for sure. He has his favourites and he believes his favourites will come through for him, he has zero tactical strategies. I surprised that Amad has dropped out of the squad in favour of Rashford on the right. Why??? What happen to the promising start in the first few games? It was his cross that lead to the goal.
Neville speaking on his podcast, says ETH ‘can’t’ lose against Chelsea or he’s done, essentially. Even his language is changing lately, you can tell he wants him out too.
We feel marginally better about life.The "deserves another season"/"proper crack of the whip"/"under the INEOS structure" were some of the worst takes on managerial meritocracy I've ever seen
That's so funny, this guy has so many lives. Every two games is "the next two games are decisive for his future" guy goes 1 win in 8 and now it's "can't lose against Chelsea"
what happens if he doesn't lose against Chelsea?
and if he wins or draws against Chelsea.....Neville speaking on his podcast, says ETH ‘can’t’ lose against Chelsea or he’s done, essentially. Even his language is changing lately, you can tell he wants him out too.
Which is precisely what's going to happen.and if he wins or draws against Chelsea.....
This keeps coming up, but the £17m figure assumes we'd pay out the entirety of his contract as the severance, which in reality almost never happens.Do we actually the have the money to sack him? For him and the rest of his saboteurs, we're probably looking at another £20 million in coaching compensation.