Apparently he's lost more away matches in the league than he's won.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Does Ten Hag even know sign language?
Does Ten Hag even know sign language?
Heh, you got me heh. It was meant to be singing (blame butterfingers), but starting to consider sign language as a necessitated comms channel for him to get the point.
Heh!
Ruud is already “coaching” this team.
- I said at the start of the season, if its bad after 3 games, sack him.
Any longer was a big risk and now we would need something really special to get top 4. I just don't think we’ll get that type of appointment, and it would be unreasonable to expect that.
Tuchel a few weeks ago would have given us that chance but I don’t see us paying out for a manager to move to us mid-season.
This is exactly what happens. Unless it’s written into the context, which is inconceivable, there is no lump sum jackpot payout to a sacked manager.
Jim cost-cutting Ratcliffe couldn't even afford to send two players to the Ballon d'Or nominees, let alone pay 20m to sack his summer mistake.
He has completely obliterated any remnants of a fear factor we had left.
I see we’re at the stage of banning posters for having the gall to point out ETH may have been unlucky this match.
Should just rename this thread to “anti ETH 2024/25” and be done with it
Should just rename this thread to “anti ETH 2024/25” and be done with it
Yeah they won't hesitate to pull trigger unlike us
Yeah, that was the reason he was banned. Not the 3000 posts of flagrant trolling.
Side bar - if you're not anti ETH at this point, you are anti United. And this is after all a United forum.
I’m fine if he gets sacked. But I’m also fed up of constantly laying the blame at the door of each manager that steps up to the job when the same issues keep resurfacing. At some point you have to stick with one of them for longer than the customary 2-3 years to see if anything else can be changed.
I don't see how trying to stay positive for once makes anyone anti United or a troll.
You say 'steps up to the job'. I say he's been paid £9m a year to turn us into the biggest laughing stock in football at a cost of well over £600m.
A club that sticks with a proven fraud of a manager for longer than 2-3 years is a club run by idiots, who will run that club into the ground. If they think it takes longer than 2-3 years to affect positive change at any club, let alone one that gives you £600m to play with over 3 summer windows, they do not understand anything about the game.
And there's a clear difference between staying positive and deliberately trolling the thread after every defeat relentlessly for a year.
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The manager who has overseen our worst league and European performance in over 30 years whilst being backed to the tune of over £600m?
Seems like a strange choice for us to blindly invest 5 or 6 years in whilst things just get worse and worse. You would probably want to at least see gradual improvement.
Oh yeah he knows that why he's got the injury and dodgy penalty excuses to call on it makes his position even more safe with INEOS
What are the same issues that keep resurfacing?
You really don't. You don't stick with an underperforming manager just because you didn't previously stick with other underperforming managers. I mean, what the hell.
Entirely different squad, coaching team, medical staff, transfer set-up, managerial and even ownership structure. What else do you want to see changed? Badge, stadium name?
I have no idea why people keep trying to apply this logic to Utd, is it purely because of what happened with SAF.
And imagine deciding to actually attempt it with someone who is doing this badly and has been producing the same shit for 18 million months.
Jesus man, please.. not today.
The thing I don't get is if we change from a "customary" 3 years then what do we move to? 5 years? 10?
What if we don't hire the right manager twice in a row, we just have to be rubbish for 20 years.
It really doesn't make sense.
If you've ever watched two midtable sides slug it out, this is exactly what this game was like. Poor finishing from one, a swing in momentum second half, fine margins, atrocious officiating. Then one struggling side prevails over the other in the end. Hard luck stories. Except one side has invested 600 million, is historically the biggest club in England, and the other has a manager newly installed.
The sackings should continue until results improve. Same as with any other job. We give failing managers too much time. 18 months should be the max one gives before making a decision to retain or fire. That's 2 - 3 windows and enough data to see/not see progress. I get performance reviews every six months at my job, so why shouldn't they get similar?
When people getting laid off from the club are saying their positions would've been retained if the club had been doing better on the pitch (see Mitten on Talk of the Devils), and you're out here saying its fine to let underperforming, well-compensated managers just go on for years, I do have to ask whether you have the club's best interests.
Be as positive as you like, but reality doesn't care.
All but one London based team… Chelsea next week..
Wouldn't be so sure about that Gary
100%. First thing to do is stop the rot, meaning Ethl out. Then put Ruud n Roy in or Potter and Roy or big Sam in then they can judge how we go from there. If it doesn't work. We try someone else. Plus while this is happening you look for a more longer term appointment which suits the players we have. It's not rocket surgery is it.
Stop it!
The "deserves another season"/"proper crack of the whip"/"under the INEOS structure" were some of the worst takes on managerial meritocracy I've ever seen
That's so funny, this guy has so many lives. Every two games is "the next two games are decisive for his future" guy goes 1 win in 8 and now it's "can't lose against Chelsea"
what happens if he doesn't lose against Chelsea?
I can't see anything other than a thrashing to be honest. I just watched their goals
Palmer can score from anywhere. I'd put money on him getting a hat trick.I can't see anything other than a thrashing to be honest. I just watched their goals
Equal the record of 5 in a match odds?
Nevermind waiting until its too late. If we continue to keep drawing or losing any more games, we'll find ourselves in the relegation zone.
Its the unthinkable. Hovering around the bottom 5 in the league. Jesus wept.
Very possible. Watch his goal and think how we'd even see that coming.
Is he overtraining the players in terms of fitness? Hear me out. He gives opportunities to play to the players giving their all in training and holding nothing back. These are the players he then sends out to play. So they seem tired, lacking composure and sharpness because they already are tired before the match begins. I am not making excuses for lazy ass players. But there surely must a balance. I of course have not attended his coaching sessions. But the most recent example is Antony. He trained better than Amad and so he played. He also only lasted 10 minutes before his ankle gave way. Coincidence? I think not. There needs to be proper recovery before matches. Does he not realise that?
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Apologies to derail the thread just have to reply to this.
I honestly don’t understand why Jim was soo desperate to acquire the club that needed a lot of investment and cashflow to bring it back to the top.
He could have stayed out of the way and let the guys with funds to acquire the club because he seems he will be a problem and not a solution.
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You believe what ETH says? Last season, this same guy claimed Amad, despite training very well (and performing in actual games!), was 'unlucky' not to start ahead of Antony, who'd been utter shite in games.
Man just says whatever he needs to say to explain his BS decisions/favouritism.
Oh you meant that... well yeah, I 100% agree with you. That's kinda what I meant in my original post as well.
But anyways, I'm actually sick off talking about ETH and his ineptitude, until we let him go I think my apathy towards the team won't go away sadly, I couldn't even celebrate like I used to yesterday (when Casemiro scored), becuase I genuinely didn't feel much and also didn't expect to win (yet again). Becuase I just know that we don't have the game management from ETH to make it happen or the mentality from the players (which I suspect comes a little from ETH but also some of the players).
I think the only reason he's still at this club is because INEOS haven't able to attract the right manager. But surely they know most United fans are tuning out which will hurt their bottom-line.
We have 11 league wins in 11 months, btw.
8 last 2nd half of the season, 3 wins this season.
He thinks, rather he believes he turned it around last season, when we lost 9 out of our last 13 games.
I tend to agree with Ole on this, trophies are for egos. It’s serious small club mentality that winning a cup competition that is not Champions League is being gauged as one by him.
8 last 2nd half of the season, 3 wins this season.
He thinks, rather he believes he turned it around last season, when we lost 9 out of our last 13 games.
I tend to agree with Ole on this, trophies are for egos. It’s serious small club mentality that winning a cup competition that is not Champions League is being gauged as one by him.
He has to be one of the worst in game managers I've ever seen.
If the opposition ever change their approach within a game we're often totally fecked... Well more fecked then we normally are
If the opposition ever change their approach within a game we're often totally fecked... Well more fecked then we normally are
Think he’s gone if he doesn’t win the next 2 games. Excuses are running out, he can’t fix the midfield, which has been an issue throughout his tenure.
My god man. This is a delusional take. United are the opposite of chopping and changing managers. We give every failing manager 1 year too long. For as bad as United have been, the top clubs around Europe would have been through almost double the amount of managers. That would be considered normal. So instead of going towards that, you want us to stick with managers even longer? That's completely insane. Our strategy with managers has not worked. The other strategy works far better.
Who can you point to where this strategy has worked? Arteta and Fergie in the last 40 years? That to me sounds like a fluke, not a winning strategy. Meanwhile, unlike those situations we're outspending what they had to start with. Fergie was also kept here because he had to rebuild the youth set up. Our youth set up is completely fine right now.
To this day, every time I hear people wanting to back the manager longer than we have, I never see concrete evidence cited by posters that would explain their backing of a manager. It's pure hope that somehow they will magically turn into Fergie. That's not a great way of running a club.
Why wait just give it Ruud for Leicester
Cheese and beans and chewna please.Tomorrow morning, we live in hope.
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