Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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DWelbz19 said:
Even 14th is terrible but when was the last time this football club was ever 16th in the PL???
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14th was basically our expected points last season.

Based on our performances and stats, we actually massively overachieved last season in the league.

Thats whats scary, is that actually the luck has run out and we are getting what we deserve.

We will probably see a slight upturn in results in the next few fixtures because of the poor quality opposition but we still wont take maximum points. And then we’ll play some half decent teams again and start losing or dropping points again as we have continually under him. Like that weird run last year where we played all the bottom 6 teams and kept scraping single goal margin wins and were top of the form table, only to fall apart again once the quality of opposition picked up a bit.

So it just begs the question why are they delaying the inevitable because at this rate by the time he’s gone its going to be a salvage operation to just finish top half
 
thegregster said:
650m spent and still needing to use Lindelof and Dalot.
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Exactly, the scary thing is 85% of the squad are players that have come in over the past three summers either through transfers or from the academy in which ETH has been in charge.

I honestly don’t think it’s exaggerating or hyperbole to say ETH is THE WORST manager we’ve had post Sir Alex and I’m including Moyes and Rangnick in that as neither of those had anywhere near the money or time that ETH has, I don’t think any United manager has ever been backed like ETH has either.

I’m just as furious at Ineos as I am ETH though as they proclaimed this big change and new era bollocks then bottled a simple decision in the summer based on a one off cup game and completely ignored what had had become clearly obvious by then and dated all the way back to the League Cup win against Newcastle, I truly believe even the Glazer’s and Woodward would have done a better and more ruthless job in regards to ETH’s job.
 
Jezpeza said:
14th was basically our expected points last season.

Based on our performances and stats, we actually massively overachieved last season in the league.

Thats whats scary, is that actually the luck has run out and we are getting what we deserve.

We will probably see a slight upturn in results in the next few fixtures because of the poor quality opposition but we still wont take maximum points. And then we’ll play some half decent teams again and start losing or dropping points again as we have continually under him. Like that weird run last year where we played all the bottom 6 teams and kept scraping single goal margin wins and were top of the form table, only to fall apart again once the quality of opposition picked up a bit.

So it just begs the question why are they delaying the inevitable because at this rate by the time he’s gone its going to be a salvage operation to just finish top half
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Bingo. A number of teams that finished below us last season actually outplayed us on one or both occasions when we played them. Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth, Palace were better than us in both games last season, West Ham and Brentford played us off the park at home. Meanwhile we did not really perform better in 1v1 against any team that finished above us bar Chelsea (who we outplayed at OT and went toe to toe with at Stamford).

Where he has got us 3 years into his tenure is closer to Bournemouth, Fulham and Brentford than Arsenal and Liverpool (won’t even mention City).
 
DWelbz19 said:
Is that actually right? I know we were outperforming the underlying stats but surely we were better than that?
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It’s not. Our xPTS was not 14th, it was 15th. At slightly under 45 points the only teams lower than that were the 3 relegated sides, West Ham and Wolves.

We have probably improved performance wise versus last season to a point where we should probably land at xPTS closer to 50 and I expect this to be our year end tally as well. Basically anything between 45 and 55 seems realistic.

https://understat.com/league/EPL/2023
 
DWelbz19 said:
Is that actually right? I know we were outperforming the underlying stats but surely we were better than that?
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No i’m wrong. Just checked, we should have had 40 points last season and finished 16th according to the whole expected points/position thing
 
Jezpeza said:
14th was basically our expected points last season.

Based on our performances and stats, we actually massively overachieved last season in the league.

Thats whats scary, is that actually the luck has run out and we are getting what we deserve.

We will probably see a slight upturn in results in the next few fixtures because of the poor quality opposition but we still wont take maximum points. And then we’ll play some half decent teams again and start losing or dropping points again as we have continually under him. Like that weird run last year where we played all the bottom 6 teams and kept scraping single goal margin wins and were top of the form table, only to fall apart again once the quality of opposition picked up a bit.

So it just begs the question why are they delaying the inevitable because at this rate by the time he’s gone its going to be a salvage operation to just finish top half
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I might be mistaken but I recall ETH got "manager of the month" award just because we scrapped some wins against garbage teams, it just hapenned this was all in one month first half of the season. Everything before that and after that was utter shite, what made this whole award situation quite ridiculous.
 
I still dont think he'll get sacked personally, i think Ineos set a plan at the start of the season with milestones and key points in time where they make decisions and it doesn't feel like we're at that point.

I think we're in for a few more tough weeks before the decision is made.
 
Things got worse. How can that possibly be, and what the hell is Ineos waiting for? He should have been replaced months ago
 
Sarni said:
It’s not. Our xPTS was not 14th, it was 15th. At slightly under 45 points the only teams lower than that were the 3 relegated sides, West Ham and Wolves.

We have probably improved performance wise versus last season to a point where we should probably land at xPTS closer to 50 and I expect this to be our year end tally as well. Basically anything between 45 and 55 seems realistic.

https://understat.com/league/EPL/2023
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We are more ‘individual moments’ than ever then, obviously. As much as we berate some players, its obviously individual quality dragging us up over any sort of cohesive team strategy.

Weird how some podcasters still do podcast's praising ETH tactical setup and identity etc.
 
M Bison said:
I still dont think he'll get sacked personally, i think Ineos set a plan at the start of the season with milestones and key points in time where they make decisions and it doesn't feel like we're at that point.

I think we're in for a few more tough weeks before the decision is made.
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Of course he won’t get sacked after today, and with next 4 games after Chelsea looking quite okay he will probably do just enough to clear up any doubts over his future by December.
 
Borys said:
I might be mistaken but I recall ETH got "manager of the month" award just because we scrapped some wins against garbage teams, it just hapenned this was all in one month first half of the season. Everything before that and after that was utter shite, what made this whole award situation quite ridiculous.
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I didnt know that! It was a weird period because we were scraping past burnley with a jonny evans set piece goal and people were still ignoring what was obvious, pointing to the form table and claiming it would be the start of something when in reality we were always going to flounder again once the kind run of fixtures ended
 
M Bison said:
I still dont think he'll get sacked personally, i think Ineos set a plan at the start of the season with milestones and key points in time where they make decisions and it doesn't feel like we're at that point.

I think we're in for a few more tough weeks before the decision is made.
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This reflects on them now, whether they like it or not. They have chosen to back him on several occasions, so the incompetence is all their own now.

They are now 100% part of the laughing stock. Coming into a United that failed to win 9 of its last 13 games and making them worse? That is really something.

They are officially 100% to blame as of right now
 
We'll probably draw against Leicester and win on penalties, then beat Chelsea.

Ten Hag restocks on 1up Mushrooms/Flasks of Crimson Tears

Then after international break we'll draw to PAOK and lose to Leicester.
 
Maluco said:
This reflects on them now, whether they like it or not. They have chosen to back him on several occasions, so the incompetence is all their own now.

They are now 100% part of the laughing stock. Coming into a United that failed to win 9 of its last 13 games and making them worse? That is really something.

They are officially 100% to blame as of right now
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Wonder where the ‘if we sack him who do we get’ brigade have gone? That was meant to he the reason Ineos wouldnt get rid. At this stage, you could literally bring in Phil Jones as caretaker from the academy setup and things would improve. We lose most weeks, sometimes draw. This must be what supporting a bottom 6 club feels like
 
Three wins in a row and this is a different story but it i think it's best for all parties to part ways. It's on ineos, ten hag doesn't want to be seen as a quitter.
 
Maluco said:
This reflects on them now, whether they like it or not. They have chosen to back him on several occasions, so the incompetence is all their own now.

They are now 100% part of the laughing stock. Coming into a United that failed to win 9 of its last 13 games and making them worse? That is really something.

They are officially 100% to blame as of right now
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Im not saying i disagree and certainly not advocating for EtH to stay in-post but to play devils advocate; Ineos started the season with a plan which all management likely signed up to, and they are sticking to it. They're not letting fan-emotion or sentiment get in the way of that plan and their approach to running the club.

Again, not saying this is right IF thats how they're looking at it, but it must be what dictating their approach as there's no other reason for not cutting ties at this point.

To say they are 100% to blame for the position we are in i would disagree with though, wholeheartedly. This is 10+ years in the making, our chickens are coming home to roost and i dont believe changing one guy in the dugout will make things materially better personally, and i assume Ineos are looking at it the same way.
 
Martinez4midfield said:
Three wins in a row and this is a different story but it i think it's best for all parties to part ways. It's on ineos, ten hag doesn't want to be seen as a quitter.
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Its not a different story. We’ve picked up little runs of wins many times under him followed by a return to the norm of dirge performances and dropping points most games. Its almost as if he has to do something incredible like get us into the relegation zone or lose 15 on the bounce for anyone in a position of power to admit he’s the worst manager we’ve ever had
 
Jezpeza said:
We are more ‘individual moments’ than ever then, obviously. As much as we berate some players, its obviously individual quality dragging us up over any sort of cohesive team strategy.

Weird how some podcasters still do podcast's praising ETH tactical setup and identity etc.
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What losers are doing this?
 
I can't believe there's not been an announcement tonight tbh. Van Gaal got sacked quicker after winning the FA Cup for christ sakes. This fraud keeps dragging us lower and lower without a peep.
 
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