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This feels like a season where Arsenal and City might not be at their best. A huge opportunity for someone else with a little consistency to take advantage.

Sadly we are nowhere near. Running on a hamster wheel called “The Process”
 
Amira said:
This feels like a season where Arsenal and City might not be at their best. A huge opportunity for someone else with a little consistency to take advantage.

Sadly we are nowhere near. Running on a hamster wheel called “The Process”
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This is what I don't understand from anyone who still wants to keep this guy around. We can't take advantage of rivals being under par because our consistency is still light years away from them even when they're not at their best.
 
Acquire Me said:
He will probably get the whole season now. I do think it’s his last season though. Better just get used to it. Hope we can produce some good spells along the way. Worst case scenario we jump back and forth between good and bad games throughout the season
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Yeah I have accepted he is here until then
 
VP89 said:
So the reason I asked this is because it appears if we were to sack Ten Hag, the next manager would be likely to be a stepping stone to say, a Nagelsmann after the world cup or similar. Unless of course we were going for Amorim.

If we were to look at Frank, Silva etc. then they would carry their own risks and I don't think there is that big a chance any of them would lead us to titles. If they were to make us relevant again, then sure, thats why I wanted to check expectation on Ten Hag.

Re. easy/hard fixtures, it was just to address your point about us allegedly having a 'decent' start fixture wise. I don't think that was the case, and thats irrespective of whether we talk about United or say, Liverpool with that set.
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So in your opinion should it be

Ten Hag/someone else to fill gap until Nagelsmann available after 2026 World Cup or go all in for Amorim at end of the season instead
 
croadyman said:
So in your opinion should it be

Ten Hag/someone else to fill gap until Nagelsmann available after 2026 World Cup or go all in for Amorim at end of the season instead
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Out of the two choice you've provided? A tricky one, both Nagelsmann and Amorim are good coaches. I think a smaller risk with Amroim because if we continue inconsistency under Ten Hag the change can be made earlier.
 
VP89 said:
Out of the two choice you've provided? A tricky one, both Nagelsmann and Amorim are good coaches. I think a smaller risk with Amroim because if we continue inconsistency under Ten Hag the change can be made earlier.
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Those two, alongside Inzaghi, are the three managers whom I’d most want to succeed ten Hag as our manager, as I’ve said many times before. Amorim is the most obtainable probably.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
Those two, alongside Inzaghi, are the three managers whom I’d most want to succeed ten Hag as our manager, as I’ve said many times before. Amorim is the most obtainable probably.
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I don't see the big value in Inzaghi if he can't even speak English.
 
VP89 said:
I don't see the big value in Inzaghi if he can't even speak English.
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Yeah, that is a big downside to him. It’s why Zidane was ultimately unlikely to come here as he doesn’t speak English either (he apparently does know a bit of English but is nowhere near fluent).
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
Yeah, that is a big downside to him. It’s why Zidane was ultimately unlikely to come here as he doesn’t speak English either (he apparently does know a bit of English but is nowhere near fluent).
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Zidane is unlikely because he just doesn't want to come to the PL on top. It's been suggested many times before.
 
The Spurs game was my turning point in regard to whether he should be relieved of his duties and replaced.

The 2nd half against Brentford was brilliant, but I was fooled into believing the performance we put in against City last season in the FA Cup final was what we were progressing towards as a team.

I'm like, 5% hopeful this will be a corner himself and team have turned, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
 
DatIrishFella said:
The Spurs game was my turning point in regard to whether he should be relieved of his duties and replaced.

The 2nd half against Brentford was brilliant, but I was fooled into believing the performance we put in against City last season in the FA Cup final was what we were progressing towards as a team.

I'm like, 5% hopeful this will be a corner himself and team have turned, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
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Last years game against Brentford with that late Mctominay double was described as some fans as the turning point, in fact we had several turning points during last season alone . I share your 5% optimism.
 
There’s a higher chance of Pep being our manager than this being a turnaround. I feel the same about Rashford.
 
West Ham game will tell us a lot. If we can get any points there, this could genuinely be a turning point that could fuel our march towards top 6.
 
Chose 'back', but would have chosen 'undecided'
if only I could.

We've played some neat stuff this season, in which, I think, we have been our biggest enemy, but the negatives are too pressing. Can't think of a decent replacement, either.

The one thing I'd commend is EtH showing faith in the starting eleven going into the second half on Saturday. We scored early and then took control. Fair play.

If it is was me the entire squad would have been transfer-listed and so forth.
 
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Sarni said:
West Ham game will tell us a lot. If we can get any points there, this could genuinely be a turning point that could fuel our march towards top 6.
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A draw would be a shit result though

Well, good for everyone who has had their expectations trampled on. Which judging by the reaction to a meh win over Brentford, is a majority. But shit in reality
 
LawCharltonBest said:
A draw would be a shit result though

Well, good for everyone who has had their expectations trampled on. Which judging by the reaction to a meh win over Brentford, is a majority. But shit in reality
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A draw would be a good result though. It’s a hard place to play. A win would probably cause huge surge in optimism though.
 
DatIrishFella said:
The Spurs game was my turning point in regard to whether he should be relieved of his duties and replaced.

The 2nd half against Brentford was brilliant, but I was fooled into believing the performance we put in against City last season in the FA Cup final was what we were progressing towards as a team.

I'm like, 5% hopeful this will be a corner himself and team have turned, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
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Likewise, Spurs game was the turning point for me, I am done with false hope with this manager.

Although we won, the first half we looked like same old so I dont have any confidence going into games.

Esp in 2 weeks we got Chelsea, that will be such a big game for us, I can already see a 2/3-0 loss.
 
Sarni said:
A draw would be a good result though. It’s a hard place to play. A win would probably cause huge surge in optimism though.
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I think their home record against the big teams, who are doing what we aspire to do, would suggest it’s actually an easy place to go and win. Usually quite comfortably

Upton Park was a hard place to go. The new stadium is bollocks. Can’t even see the match from the front row. Piece of piss atmosphere for clubs
 
Second half a lot better but that's not anything to hang your hat on. They still could have equalized with the last kick of the game. Always nice to see us win and play on the front foot, but I honestly don't think that means anything with regards to him deserving more time.
 
The last thing to happen is the only thing that's ever happened, according to a large chunk of fans, I'm convinced of that.

A striker that hasn't scored in five years has one go in off his bum, or a gaff-prone keeper will stop a penalty by having it smashed into his face, will both be greeted as a 'Ahhhh, shut you doubters up' moment by a depressingly large number of fans.
 
Malons said:
The last thing to happen is the only thing that's ever happened, according to a large chunk of fans, I'm convinced of that.

A striker that hasn't scored in five years has one go in off his bum, or a gaff-prone keeper will stop a penalty by having it smashed into his face, will both be greeted as a 'Ahhhh, shut you doubters up' moment by a depressingly large number of fans.
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It happens both ways

A naff win over a naff team who are out of form, and he’s suddenly turned a corner and deserves time

Lose a game and people remember we’re a bottom half team despite spending £600m and he wouldn’t get any other job in world football because he’s so bad

It’s when we draw to mid table teams and people act like it’s a decent result which annoys me most
 
Malons said:
The last thing to happen is the only thing that's ever happened, according to a large chunk of fans, I'm convinced of that.

A striker that hasn't scored in five years has one go in off his bum, or a gaff-prone keeper will stop a penalty by having it smashed into his face, will both be greeted as a 'Ahhhh, shut you doubters up' moment by a depressingly large number of fans.
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True. We saw in the summer by the reaction to the cup win that the majority can only remember the last game and forget everything that went before it.

One win against Brentford and we're seeing posts like "X player should be captain" , "Y is the best in his position in the league".
 
We have had many of these dawns in recent seasons, exception being it now takes a good half to instill a belief that we are onto something special whereas 2-3 years back it would have been predicated on a few games going the right way. It was the same last season after Chelsea game and we were quickly brought down to earth with a 3-0 loss to Bournemouth, then 3-2 against Villa at home was promptly followed by a 2-1 loss at Nottingham.

We managed to last 3 games after Wolves win but the landing wasn’t soft eventually either when we lost to Fulham at OT and won 1 of the next 7. A magnificent half against Palace this year was followed with a bad loss to Spurs.

Let’s wait a few weeks, be patient and see where we are at around Christmas. It might be a turning point, it may have clicked in this game and we may go on to finish 5th or 6th, or it may be just a flash in the pan and not lead to any visible shift in momentum.
 
Sarni said:
We have had many of these dawns in recent seasons, exception being it now takes a good half to instill a belief that we are onto something special whereas 2-3 years back it would have been predicated on a few games going the right way. It was the same last season after Chelsea game and we were quickly brought down to earth with a 3-0 loss to Bournemouth, then 3-2 against Villa at home was promptly followed by a 2-1 loss at Nottingham.

We managed to last 3 games after Wolves win but the landing wasn’t soft eventually either when we lost to Fulham at OT and won 1 of the next 7. A magnificent half against Palace this year was followed with a bad loss to Spurs.

Let’s wait a few weeks, be patient and see where we are at around Christmas. It might be a turning point, it may have clicked in this game and we may go on to finish 5th or 6th, or it may be just a flash in the pan and not lead to any visible shift in momentum.
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5th or 6th would be shite though.

He's spent £600m and had 3 years.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
5th or 6th would be shite though.

He's spent £600m and had 3 years.
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It would be an improvement over last season and don’t think we can expect much more. We are not catching any of the top 3, and there are 3 teams better than us going for 4th - finishing 5th means we would outperform two of them.
 
It's incredible that it only takes 1 win and everyone changes their minds on him. This is exactly the problem with the fanbase right now.

After a decade of going through various managers, it's become like Stockholm Syndrome, it's mind blowing that a win against a mediocre side and all is forgiven. What a lot of fans are falling for is 'hope'. Human beings are hot-wired to respond to hope, everyone needs it to keep going, but the trouble with it, is that its only a short term solution before reality kicks back in. A loss next week and that hope will have vanished. As the old saying goes, 'Its the hope that kills you'.

It's important to see the much bigger picture when it comes to ETH. The results over 3 years, the money spent, the style of football being played. Not a single result against a side that, quite frankly, Everton or West Ham should be beating. By all means, if you want to give ETH another chance, then do so at the end of the season, based on results and league position. Don't be suckered in by a 2-1 win over Brentford, just because the first seven games have been appalling.
 
Jock Steins Boots said:
It's incredible that it only takes 1 win and everyone changes their minds on him. This is exactly the problem with the fanbase right now.

After a decade of going through various managers, it's become like Stockholm Syndrome, it's mind blowing that a win against a mediocre side and all is forgiven. What a lot of fans are falling for is 'hope'. Human beings are hot-wired to respond to hope, everyone needs it to keep going, but the trouble with it, is that its only a short term solution before reality kicks back in. A loss next week and that hope will have vanished. As the old saying goes, 'Its the hope that kills you'.

It's important to see the much bigger picture when it comes to ETH. The results over 3 years, the money spent, the style of football being played. Not a single result against a side that, quite frankly, Everton or West Ham should be beating. By all means, if you want to give ETH another chance, then do so at the end of the season, based on results and league position. Don't be suckered in by a 2-1 win over Brentford, just because the first seven games have been appalling.
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Is that the case?

My opinion remains that he's not good enough and is destined for the sack. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
 
RedRover said:
Is that the case?

My opinion remains that he's not good enough and is destined for the sack. Nothing will convince me otherwise.
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Im of the same opinion. I've nothin against the guy as a person, but purely from a football perspective he's not the right man for the job.

Even if he went on a 10 game unbeaten run, I still wouldn't be convinced. If he finishes 4th and goes on a 20 game unbeaten run and wins a cup, then I might start changing my mind on him, but Im certainly not doing it after one game.
 
Crostien said:
Chose 'back', but would have chosen 'undecided'
if only I could.

We've played some neat stuff this season, in which, I think, we have been our biggest enemy, but the negatives are too pressing. Can't think of a decent replacement, either.

The one thing I'd commend is EtH showing faith in the starting eleven going into the second half on Saturday. We scored early and then took control. Fair play.

If it is was me the entire squad would have been transfer-listed and so forth.
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I never understand people saying this. 75% of squad has already been changed.
Its up to the coach to get a tune out of them
 
There will be no turning point I'm 100% sure of that.
We will still win a game here and there, but the damage is already done and cannot be undone by the same manager. I see this season exactly like the 6 months of Rangnick's tenure, just get on with it and onto the next step.
 
I don’t think ETH is a bad manager, he’s proven he’s competent.

But the question remains is he the man to take us back to the top 4 and to challenge for the league?
On the evidence he’s not delivered so far and doesn’t look likely to deliver,

Transfer policy has been shocking and a lot of the players where his choice,

Anthony remains a shocking decision.
 
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Sarni said:
It would be an improvement over last season and don’t think we can expect much more. We are not catching any of the top 3, and there are 3 teams better than us going for 4th - finishing 5th means we would outperform two of them.
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This really is plumbing the depths. There may be three better teams than us going for fourth but that says a lot about ten hags ineptitude given he has been in place longer than the managers of those clubs and had more money to spend than anyone bar chelsea
 
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