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OldSchoolManc said:
But we scraped a win at home against Brentford
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1) a win is a win. 3 pts was a must
2) we played some very pretty and dominant controlling football. The style of play was much improved
3) Brentford only scored because de Ligt was off the pitch for the set piece. Otherwise it would have been a comfortable 2-0
4) We aren’t going to become prime Brazil overnight. Fans are predisposed to be positive and hopeful regarding their own team so why not be hopeful we are starting a strong run? It’s only natural.
5) I’ve not seen a single post claiming this game was ‘it’, only that it was a vast improvement and a vital 3pts. Long may that continue.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
(I just watched the final episode of Brassic, so read this with the voice of Davey Macdonagh in your head)
I honestly hate being a negative Nelly. But we scraped a win at home against Brentford and people are proclaiming it as a turning point as though the last 3 years of league form were just a blip.
If, and I really mean IF we scrape something against Fenerbache and our next EPL game, then we might be turning things around.
But I very much doubt it.
I seriously think a lot of United fans enjoy a bit of self flagellation if they think any of this is good enough.
The gaslighting from ETH is complete if he’s being let off the hook with a 2-1 home win against fekkin BRENTFORD
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You don’t get to call out anyone unless you stop acting out after every draw/loss.

That is acceptable, but being happy about a win isn’t? :rolleyes:
 
Spoony said:
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What if we go on run?
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Then we pick up points. As much I want ETH out, as I've mentioned, I'm not against him finally getting his act together, changing the narrative and leading us on a barnstorming surge up the table.

If that happens I'll hold my hands up and agree we will have a decision to make come the end of the season.
 
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The game by game assessment is moronic. He’s already proven we need to replace him asap.
 
We looked solid in the second half for a few reasons, Martinez at LB brought so much stability and cover. He dominated that side which meant Eriksen wasn't drawn out too much from the middle so he and Casemiro could defend the middle better and they did excellently there. Dalot as well wasn't dropping into the middle, he played as an extra winger which meant Brentford always had to have a man wide to contain him.

Rashford then roamed inwards into the 10 role further dragging a Brentford player with him leaving room for Bruno to roam. Garnacho was able to then play off the ball more and this was deadly. All this movement was great for Hojlund who thrived off it and had a great performance himself.

Would love to see Martinez-Yoro-De Light- Dalot/Mazroui back four going forward. This should be the base going forward. Rashford too needs multiple reps playing this way, his playmaking is vastly underrated those passes were Rooney esque.
 
I’m not reading anything in that second half honestly. It wasn’t like it was unique. See what the next game brings, hopefully more second half than first half stuff.

Always nice to see us win and play a bit better though.
 
We performed well in the second half and credit has to be given to ETH for some of that. He played Rashford on the right which was a good decision. His balls into the box were dangerous and led to a goal. He also kept Eriksen and Casemiro close together which limited Daamsgard's ability to move on the ball. Similarly, Hojlund fell deep and was excellent with the ball at his feet and hold up play.

I feel that Brentford played into our hands however. This game had the City hallmarks to it with Brentford playing very narrow and through the middle making it easier for us to press and be organised. I think if players like Mbeumo had played better they may have stretched us further which would have affected our tactics.

As it was it.worked but I would need to see more development in games where teams change their set up and start to challenge us to have faith in ETH as a long term coach.
 
KjaAnd said:
The only thing today’s performance proved is that we have alright players who should be able to perform much better consistently than ETH has them. I still don’t see any reason to keep him. He has done nothing to prove he’s capable of even reaching the minimum requirements for a United manager.
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We have players like Garnacho, Hojlund, Amad, Zirkzee who are still young, raw, and making poor decision making on the ball in the final third, which is why they haven’t be able to perform consistently. Even yesterday, Garnacho had plenty opportunities in the opposition box but chose to shoot with his left foot on difficult angle while pass or cross would have been better.
 
You can see why he was so desperate for De Jong. When Eriksen plays we look so much better. I think he will be desperate to find a youg Deep Lying playmaker in Jan if he is still here. EG Stiller or Wharton. But the Left back situation is is a mess and we need another forward as we can score goals. The signing of Mount was a bit of a catastrophic decision. He should of used that window to find a younger Eriksen or a De Jong alternative.
 
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That spell in the 2nd half showed what we can do when we let loose. When we have to play football.

I'm convinced at this point the team is overcoached. Drenched in tactics and positions.
 
He will probably get the whole season now. I do think it’s his last season though. Better just get used to it. Hope we can produce some good spells along the way. Worst case scenario we jump back and forth between good and bad games throughout the season
 
A quick question.

Can you want Ten Hag out ASAP & still want United to win occasional games for him to keep his job rolling through the rest of the season.

I've been called a poor fan because I'd rather United lose short term so he can get out of here as quick as possible because another season is not going to convince me he is good enough as I have seen enough.

Is it bad that I'm happy when we lose so we can get this guy out?

I'd rather my kids fail one test in their younger days so they can learn and do their more senior levels tests better.

If there is benefit to losing or failing one test to show United or my kid how to approach the next test because they have not been working hard enough then being happy about the kid losing the first test is not bad support if it causes the kid to change their mindset and plan for their future test so they succeed longer term.

How does this make me a bad supporter?

Unlike most of the fans here I support all players are don't hate "the players mentality" or whatever people call it when they talk about Bruno, Rashford etc - however I do think these players like my kids could have a better teacher. If I know the teacher is not good enough, then I want him gone out asap for the benefit of my kids.

If that is going to happen by them failing a scrap test before their real exams start then I'm personally all up for it.

A United Fan.

A United Fan that has seen enough to know that the teacher Ten Hag won't get my kids to the next appropriate level and are willing for all of my kids to fail scrap tests so the headteacher can wonder if changing the teacher is the best way to get the best out of the players because this teacher definitely wouldn't/isn't.

I care for United to the point I'd rather we suffer a single loss so it helps us out for the rest of the season or even be ready for our next season by not having to continue with this guy in charge of my kids.

The quicker the better & I don't know why that makes me a bad United fan.
 
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AndyMUFC said:
I mean anyone that changes their opinion over one result regardless of whether they want him to stay or go isn’t worth listening in the first place :lol:

Believe it or not, we are going to win from to time. We are Man Utd after all. Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice to win and we were slightly better today, but the performance still wasn’t good enough for me to believe we’re doing anything but delaying the inevitable.
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We have had quite a few bad performances this season, however, credit should be given when there is a good performance. The first half I think was a meh performance but the second half was a good performance. A performance that I think we should be aiming to have as our base level. It wasn't a great performance but no harm in saying it was a good second half performance. Came out after the break and took control of the game, looked creative, good attacks and a good defensive display vs a good Brentford team. In a hypothetical United team that is challenging for the league that second half would still be seen as a good half of football, although again not a spectacular/great half.
 
We looked so much better yesterday with full backs playing as full backs and not drifting into midfield.Hopefully Ten Hag sticks to this way of playing,change to inverted full backs and we'll be fecked.
Second half yesterday was actually good football from United.That has to be the minimum standard going forward otherwise he's toast.
 
Joseunited said:
We looked so much better yesterday with full backs playing as full backs and not drifting into midfield.Hopefully Ten Hag sticks to this way of playing,change to inverted full backs and we'll be fecked.
Second half yesterday was actually good football from United.That has to be the minimum standard going forward otherwise he's toast.
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So you think that if he continues playing "decently" like he did yesterday, he should keep his job?
The guy has us in 11th place and we are well into the season. Under no circumstance should this be deemed acceptable.
He IS toast, regardless of what happens in the season now. He isn't good enough.

And for those of you who think ETH is good enough, here's a question: which club in the EPL would take ETH as their manager, right now?
If the answer is no one - he should be fired.
 
sunama said:
So you think that if he continues playing "decently" like he did yesterday, he should keep his job?
The guy has us in 11th place and we are well into the season. Under no circumstance should this be deemed acceptable.
He IS toast, regardless of what happens in the season now. He isn't good enough.

And for those of you who think ETH is good enough, here's a question: which club in the EPL would take ETH as their manager, right now?
If the answer is no one - he should be fired.
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Jesus christ. I said we looked better playing with proper fullbacks calm down.
 
TheBigLewandowski said:
A quick question.

Can you want Ten Hag out ASAP & still want United to win occasional games for him to keep his job rolling through the rest of the season.

I've been called a poor fan because I'd rather United lose short term so he can get out of here as quick as possible because another season is not going to convince me he is good enough as I have seen enough.

Is it bad that I'm happy when we lose so we can get this guy out?

I'd rather my kids fail one test in their younger days so they can learn and do their more senior levels tests better.

If there is benefit to losing or failing one test to show United or my kid how to approach the next test because they have not been working hard enough then being happy about the kid losing the first test is not bad support if it causes the kid to change their mindset and plan for their future test so they succeed longer term.

How does this make me a bad supporter?

Unlike most of the fans here I support all players are don't hate "the players mentality" or whatever people call it when they talk about Bruno, Rashford etc - however I do think these players like my kids could have a better teacher. If I know the teacher is not good enough, then I want him gone out asap for the benefit of my kids.

If that is going to happen by them failing a scrap test before their real exams start then I'm personally all up for it.

A United Fan.

A United Fan that has seen enough to know that the teacher Ten Hag won't get my kids to the next appropriate level and are willing for all of my kids to fail scrap tests so the headteacher can wonder if changing the teacher is the best way to get the best out of the players because this teacher definitely wouldn't/isn't.

I care for United to the point I'd rather we suffer a single loss so it helps us out for the rest of the season or even be ready for our next season by not having to continue with this guy in charge of my kids.

The quicker the better & I don't know why that makes me a bad United fan.
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It doesn't make you a bad fan. I feel the same way at times; short term pain = long term gain (hopefully). Your analogy is spot on but some on here will disagree with you.

If you feel that's the best way forward then good on you. Nobody can tell you how to support your team.
 
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sunama said:
So you think that if he continues playing "decently" like he did yesterday, he should keep his job?
The guy has us in 11th place and we are well into the season. Under no circumstance should this be deemed acceptable.
He IS toast, regardless of what happens in the season now. He isn't good enough.

And for those of you who think ETH is good enough, here's a question: which club in the EPL would take ETH as their manager, right now?
If the answer is no one - he should be fired.
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He isn't "toast, regardless of what happens in the season" though, is he?

It might seem unlikely, but there remains the possibility that we pick up our league form and comfortably finish in the top four, and could well win more silverware, given we're in three cup competitions.
 
Alex99 said:
He isn't "toast, regardless of what happens in the season" though, is he?

It might seem unlikely, but there remains the possibility that we pick up our league form and comfortably finish in the top four, and could well win more silverware, given we're in three cup competitions.
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Of course he’s not toast regardless of what happens, that would make sense. The fact we’ve kept him means we believe that he can turn it around and if he does, he will continue.
 
Sarni said:
Of course he’s not toast regardless of what happens, that would make sense. The fact we’ve kept him means we believe that he can turn it around and if he does, he will continue.
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Tell that to the poster I responded to.
 
Media giving a load of praise for United, coming back and De Ligt / Rashford

They’ll then crucify us on Thursday night

Reminds me a lot of England a few years ago. Every win, whoever it’s against, and they’re heroes. Any defeat and they’re all shite.
 
So what I've learned from this thread today is that Ten Hag either is or isn't toast, to be determined (or maybe already determined), we played better because our full backs didn't go into midfield (although Dalot did), some people want a back 3, some people want Adam Wharton, it's a lot to take in.
 
flameinthesun said:
We have had quite a few bad performances this season, however, credit should be given when there is a good performance. The first half I think was a meh performance but the second half was a good performance. A performance that I think we should be aiming to have as our base level. It wasn't a great performance but no harm in saying it was a good second half performance. Came out after the break and took control of the game, looked creative, good attacks and a good defensive display vs a good Brentford team. In a hypothetical United team that is challenging for the league that second half would still be seen as a good half of football, although again not a spectacular/great half.
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I will agree the 2nd half was a better performance, however, this was not an opponent in the top 4. This should have been a 3-0 game for us, easily, it wasn't. The question then is "why"? Wasted chances due to poor execution. This is an issue that hasn't improved week over week. In fact, Eriksen miss mirrors Fernandes miss a couple of games ago. The first half was the same old same old, multiple times had an opportunity to transition quick and they bogged down. In fact one play Fernandes is signaling to slow it down. They lack fluidity in the box and are disorganized on plays into the box, it's disjointed, no one knows where the ball is going. I would expect that from Brentford or Southhampton but not at Manchester United. I will credit they played well enough to win a game they should win. Reality is though, that is dropping expectations.
It was nice to see Rashford deliver some spot on aerial passes, he should work with Fernandes and show him how it's done.
 
Fun part of this season is; Spurs who play "great football and have great manager" have only 2 points more than "worst ever United".
 
Musclehead said:
I will agree the 2nd half was a better performance, however, this was not an opponent in the top 4. This should have been a 3-0 game for us, easily, it wasn't. The question then is "why"? Wasted chances due to poor execution. This is an issue that hasn't improved week over week. In fact, Eriksen miss mirrors Fernandes miss a couple of games ago. The first half was the same old same old, multiple times had an opportunity to transition quick and they bogged down. In fact one play Fernandes is signaling to slow it down. They lack fluidity in the box and are disorganized on plays into the box, it's disjointed, no one knows where the ball is going. I would expect that from Brentford or Southhampton but not at Manchester United. I will credit they played well enough to win a game they should win. Reality is though, that is dropping expectations.
It was nice to see Rashford deliver some spot on aerial passes, he should work with Fernandes and show him how it's done.
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This is where perspective is needed. You say it should be a 3 0 game for us easily. Pool beat them 2 0, City beat them 2-1 and spurs beat them 3 1. So 2 1 from us is about par for the course. So to answer your question of why we didn't beat them 3 0 easily, it's because they are a good team that other top clubs didn't beat 3 0 easily. Does that mean that everything is fixed and fine, no, but that shouldn't stop you from recognising that it's a good result and a good second half.
 
I was working so only listened live and caught MOTD, MOTD certainly made it more positive for us than the full commentary sounded.

Rashford and in particular Hoijlund impressed, makes me wonder just how much they and Garnacho can carry us, they are all very exciting and talented.

Am glad for the win and even more the 2nd half performance which I reckon was the best half of football I have seen us put together for 12 months or more, and still Brentford could have easily stolen a draw.

Changes nothing for me yet, ETH has a long way to go to change anything, playing Case and Eriksen together worked well, Eriksen actually has had a good start to the season, but this is not a sustainable partnership given their age, still maybe finally Ten Hag has decided to use a midfield,, fullbacks playing fullback, almost like football 101!

Also finally you have movement between the flanks Rashford, Garnacho and Hoijlund all swapping around.... Surprise surprise a right footed player on the right wing is able to cross the ball and make cross field passes instead of cutting inside or having to go a long way around.... Wonder if Antony would actually be any better on the left???
 
The result and performance should naturally not change the mindset of those wanting him out - there needs to be a good run of form. Brentford wasn't easy and nor will Fenerbache, West Ham and Chelsea.
 
sunama said:
So you think that if he continues playing "decently" like he did yesterday, he should keep his job?
The guy has us in 11th place and we are well into the season. Under no circumstance should this be deemed acceptable.
He IS toast, regardless of what happens in the season now. He isn't good enough.

And for those of you who think ETH is good enough, here's a question: which club in the EPL would take ETH as their manager, right now?
If the answer is no one - he should be fired.
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Did you actually read their post, or did you just fancy a rant?
 
VP89 said:
The result and performance should naturally not change the mindset of those wanting him out - there needs to be a good run of form. Brentford wasn't easy and nor will Fenerbache, West Ham and Chelsea.
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My mindset won't change unless he genuinely goes on a winning run. Can't even remember the last time he did so in the league. I don't care what's easy and what's not, he needs to start winning games and proving he's a manager who can actually win titles at United. We've had a relatively decent start all things considered fixture wise anyway, with an almost full squad available.
 
Shark said:
My mindset won't change unless he genuinely goes on a winning run. Can't even remember the last time he did so in the league. I don't care what's easy and what's not, he needs to start winning games and proving he's a manager who can actually win titles at United. We've had a relatively decent start all things considered fixture wise anyway, with an almost full squad available.
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What is the current mindset toward him now?
I think weve been here before but our fixtures weren't "decent" in my opinion (objectively for any club not just ours). Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, Brighton as part of the first 7 is not a 'decent' run in my books. The 7 we had including Brentford sounds decent though - Ipswich, Everton, Leicester among those.
 
VP89 said:
What is the current mindset toward him now?
I think weve been here before but our fixtures weren't "decent" in my opinion (objectively for any club not just ours). Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, Brighton as part of the first 7 is not a 'decent' run in my books. The 7 we had including Brentford sounds decent though - Ipswich, Everton, Leicester among those.
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If he's a manager who in the future you believe can win titles at this club, or maybe you don't believe that, I don't know. Why are you going on about easy and hard fixtures? He's managing one of the biggest clubs on the planet and you're talking about fixtures as if we're Everton.
 
Shark said:
If he's a manager who in the future you believe can win titles at this club, or maybe you don't believe that, I don't know. Why are you going on about easy and hard fixtures? He's managing one of the biggest clubs on the planet and you're talking about fixtures as if we're Everton.
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So the reason I asked this is because it appears if we were to sack Ten Hag, the next manager would be likely to be a stepping stone to say, a Nagelsmann after the world cup or similar. Unless of course we were going for Amorim.

If we were to look at Frank, Silva etc. then they would carry their own risks and I don't think there is that big a chance any of them would lead us to titles. If they were to make us relevant again, then sure, thats why I wanted to check expectation on Ten Hag.

Re. easy/hard fixtures, it was just to address your point about us allegedly having a 'decent' start fixture wise. I don't think that was the case, and thats irrespective of whether we talk about United or say, Liverpool with that set.
 
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