Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

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The only reason it might be okay to be 14th as the manager of Manchester United is if you are playing a team full of 20 year olds and under building half a team for the future, or if you're a new manager who needs a few games to get going.

Neither of these are even close to true for ETH. Long past sack time now

Agreed but I would extend it to if you are build a highly promising new core. This isn't against these players but if you plan your season and the near future around Bruno, Casemiro and Rashford then you don't deserve time because you clearly chose short term options that have never shown the ability to elevate a team to the desired level.

All they’ve done by keeping ETH is waste more time, more money, brought more instability and made their jobs even harder.


A team full of 20 year olds with a promising core being built for the the future. Isn't that precisely what IS being done? Or

Ineos havent wasted money, and if ETH is sacked now or later, the squad will be left in much better position.

-- Hojlund (21) ---


Garnacho (20) ----- CAM ----- Amad (22)


Mainoo (19) ------ Ugarte (23)


LB ----- Martinez/MDL ----- Yoro (18) ---- RB


GK
 
A team full of 20 year olds with a promising core being built for the the future. Isn't that precisely what IS being done? Or

Ineos havent wasted money, and if ETH is sacked now or later, the squad will be left in much better position.

-- Hojlund (21) ---


Garnacho (20) ----- CAM ----- Amad (22)


Mainoo (19) ------ Ugarte (23)


LB ----- Martinez/MDL ----- Yoro (18) ---- RB


GK

I didnt say players in their 20s. That should be every team

I said 20 and under. If we were playing our u21 team 14th would be fine
 
I didnt say players in their 20s. That should be every team

I said 20 and under. If we were playing our u21 team 14th would be fine

The point still stands.

It's a particularly young team, being built for the future.
 
The point still stands.

It's a particularly young team, being built for the future.

As most teams in the league are, whilst doing a lot better than 14th

Brighton are starting 4 players 22 and under and theyre 6th

Chelsea started 5 players 22 and under last game and they're 4th

We started 3 players 22 and under against Villa and we're 14th. Most of the time its 2.
 
Exactly. Which is why I hope we lose most of ours matches coming up so we can be rid of him once and for all. Short term pain = long term gain.
I understand, yet if he performs a miracle upturn in form and entertainment I'd be happy.
 
In an alternate universe, ETH is taking accountability and admitting that last season was a failure, despite the FA-Cup win.
 
It astounds me how people still take answers at press conferences at face value
Is he not taking the piss when he keeps referring to last season as a resounding success? There's a line between not straight up calling it a failure and bigging it up to the extent he does. It's nauseating.
 
You don’t spend your summer interviewing multiple managers if you think you’ve already got the right man, it’s just illogical

Let me ask you something, do you keep a manager who’s regressing the team because you’re afraid that you might hire another crappy one? Again illogical
Exactly, you just sack the next one if they're also shit and move on. I don't understand why fans think we're the only club in football that has to have a year long review process or wait for the perfect candidate before sacking a severely underperforming manager.
 
We will have to stick to the plan and that plan is over once ETH decides he has a better offer elsewhere. The “plan” only exist because of ETH - he is the plan
 

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He seems extremely confident that there's been absolutely no thought of replacing him. In fact, it sounds like there's been a lot of confidence shown in him to the point where he comfortable to chastise and take the piss out of journalists for suggesting he could be sacked.

To me these are really bad signs that our club is not being run in the right way. The likelihood is that they're somehow happy with this clown in charge and it'll take a lot (more) for him to get the boot.

Yeah there are definite red flags
 
The only scenario I can image is that the club has decided to part ways with ETH but that the manager they want won’t be available until summer. Apparently, Amorim has a release clause that activates.

Can't we put an interim in place until then, mind you that's a very long time to be in charge
 
«We have a mountain to climb, but I am sure we´ll come out of it with success, just like the last two seasons»
«I see good things, good patterns…»

He actually thinks last season was a success!?

This level of denial and delusion is beyond compare.
 
«We have a mountain to climb, but I am sure we´ll come out of it with success, just like the last two seasons»
«I see good things, good patterns…»

He actually thinks last season was a success!?

This level of denial and delusion is beyond compare.

Perhaps any season finished where he did not get the sack is counted as success.
 
We will have to stick to the plan and that plan is over once ETH decides he has a better offer elsewhere. The “plan” only exist because of ETH - he is the plan

Yeah, but we keep fecking up recruitment. The plan isn't exactly difficult to see, it's just executed like crap.

  1. We want a striker who can both score goals and involve other players, preferably someone who can drop down, win aerial duels, hold the ball and link the midfield and attack while creating disruption in the forward line.
  2. We want wingers who drive wide and provide crosses and through balls into the middle, and that can cause disruption by beating man or two on the wings to get down to the line. But we also want them versatile enough to interchange with attack and midfield. (See Tadic). The Right winger should be able to interchange as an attacker and be the "front-man" when the team "rolls".
  3. We want a deep lying midfielder who can pick the ball up from deep and progress through the middle, and that is ready to recycle the ball when we lose it and the press further up is triggered. He also needs to be competent defensively.
  4. We want a left back that functions as a third ball-playing central defender and that can beat a high press by beating a man on his flank (see Gvardiol).
  5. We want the right back to bomb forward and act as a winger when the team rolls.
  6. We want two box to box midfielders who can provide physicality and cover the huge spaces in the middle.
  7. We want players who are physically capable of pressing and dominating the opposition physically.
  8. We want a goalkeeper that is involved in build up and help beat the high press.
What we essentially want is:

Kane
Grealish -------------------------------- Rodrygo
Guimares - Goretzka
De Jong
Shaw - Martinez - Van Dijk - Mazraoui
Onana​

We just haven't built a team that is capable of doing anything near what we have been trying to do for the past 3 years. It's not that he hasn't tried either. Antony, Malacia, De ligt, Zirkzee, Hojlund, Mazroui, Mount, Amrabat and Martinez all fit the "profile" - but they aren't of sufficient quality. The best we have been able to do, is build a very expensive mid-table side with a sprinkle of young players who may one day become good enough and a few injury prone players. Why on earth we haven't recruited another left back given how important that role is for build up, is also quite bizarre.

The thing that boggles the mind is why on earth Ten Hag doesn't just adapt to what he has. We play counter to the strengths of our best players - Bruno, Casemiro, Rashford. We sell players who fit the style (McT), AWB (if we inverted what he is trying to do to accomedate Rashford(!)), and we recruit a midfielder who doesn't fit in anywhere (Ugarte). I have no idea how any of them is supposed to fit into his master-plan. From tactics, all through recruitment, it is just a big mess.
 
There's a middle ground though that he's never found. He's come off as delusional for a long time, and you've hinted at this when you said you don't get why people "still" read into these things. There's another approach that he could have taken, one that doesn't offend the intelligence of fans. Last season he got people's backs up when he was asked why fans aren't happy and he said because they listen to the media. Do you recognise how that antagonised people? It's basically saying that fans can't form their own opinions based on what they're seeing.

No matter what you say, he's a PR disaster. Absolutely nobody buys what he's saying, so he's just digging his own hole.
I hear what you're saying but I do think you've gone a bit far - for example can you share the press conference where he said fans can't form their own opinions?

He may well have said something similar but I'd like to know, because on this forum there have been posters concluding something that wasn't said. For example when he said yesterday that the media were making fairytales, I saw a post say he was excusing us being shit because of the media. I don't think what he was doing.
 
Simply making the CL next season easily makes up the £17m with plenty left over. Hell, we instantly lose £10m just from the Adidas sponsorship when we don't make the CL. Other sponsors likely have similar (albeit smaller) clauses in their contract. That's not to mention the significant tv money while in the CL, the higher attendance income, and simply the extra prizemoney at the end of the season purely for finishing higher up in the PL table. All up, not making the CL next season will probably cost us something along the lines of £40m (and that's just making the group stages, it'd be higher if we could go deeper into the tournament).
Agreed, finding the exact amt was like a needle in a haystack, but looks like close to 19 mil on qualifying, the only issue, will they qualify with or without him? The fact is there was a trend that was evident. It was not positive nor progressing. I do not see this trend changing with ETH at the helm. We can talk the process all we want, he was involved in several moves that one would believe would move the team forward, it hasn't. Doing the same things the same way expecting a different result is insanity. Brentford today, who sit above us should be a telling point. The expectation should be a 3-0 win in our favour. If ETH does not lay out this expectation and drive the players to execute successfully it could mean the season is done.
 
I don't understand why we think the only time that pace is of use is out wide. Love to see Garnacho or Amad running through the middle at opposition defences.
 
Stop crying over it. McTominay is as average as it gets.

Well if he likes him so much, then why get Mount ?? His first season, McTominay was completely benched and looked like was going to be sold. It was not until he started scoring for his NT that ETH tried him in a new position and he scored some crucial goals for him, that he became a important player for him. Does not look good that he saw McT in training everyday and never tried him in an attacking position until he started doing it for his NT.
 
A manager on his last legs. His latest press conference was riddled with jargon and insecurities. "Last season was a success".. he finished 8th, barely scraped a FA cup win. He is currently 14th. I can see why he struggles to motivate this pathetic bunch of players too. Ten Hag will be sent packing soon enough
 
Can't we put an interim in place until then, mind you that's a very long time to be in charge
Completely agree. It’s insane to keep a manager around who nobody trusts to do the job. Must be very demotivating for the players.

IMO, we should fire him ASAP and appoint Ruud as interim while we wait for whoever INEOS have set their eyes on.
 
A manager on his last legs. His latest press conference was riddled with jargon and insecurities. "Last season was a success".. he finished 8th, barely scraped a FA cup win. He is currently 14th. I can see why he struggles to motivate this pathetic bunch of players too. Ten Hag will be sent packing soon enough
He keeps repeating that there were no trophies the six years before he came in. For some reason, it seems like he believes the cups mean a lot to United, and that winning it is progress. However he came to the conclusion that last season was progress eludes me though.
 
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