Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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Funny how his former coaches are coming out defending him lately. McCarthy praising him, McClaren praising him. They must be a good coach in there somewhere. I always believe in some coaches being good for certain level of teams and where there’s less pressure.
 
DJ_21 said:
Funny how his former coaches are coming out defending him lately. McCarthy praising him, McClaren praising him. They must be a good coach in there somewhere. I always believe in some coaches being good for certain level of teams and where there’s less pressure.
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There's a potion of Ajax fans that didn't even rate him near the end of his career there. That was in a significantly weaker league in which he won more often or not.
 
RedRover said:
I'm not. The person I'm replying to takes the view that the cost of paying the manager off may be prohibitive and that might be why he's not been sacked or why some aren't convinced on moving him on him. I disagree, taking the view that this won't be imperative - especially when the club took the choice to take his option up in the summer.

I don't know the ins and outs of PSR, and if what you say is correct then fair enough. I think it's unlikely that the club would, (at least partially) by virtue of taking up an option in his contract and extending it by a year, put themselves in a position where they can't sack him due to PSR restrictions. That'd be beyond incompetence, because the terms of his contract are known. Noting they considered moving him on in the summer, this must have been considered when they decided to stick with him then.
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I'm convinced a big part of the reason he stayed in the summer is that it was the cheapest option because like now it didn't make any footballing sense to keep him.

They gambled on him coming good and are now sticking with it as INEOS/the Glazers don't want to take a £15m plus hit this year if they can avoid it. People are blinded by PSR when it's just a normal business decision.
 
Leftback99 said:
I'm convinced a big part of the reason he stayed in the summer is that it was the cheapest option because like now it didn't make any footballing sense to keep him.

They gambled on him coming good and are now sticking with it as INEOS/the Glazers don't want to take a £15m plus hit this year if they can avoid it. People are blinded by PSR when it's just a normal business decision.
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The 15m figure assumes we'd have to pay out the entirety of his contract, which is almost never how it works out. Much more likely it would be a fraction of that number.
 
Redfrog said:
We have one of the most expansive team in the world and it’s easier to get motivated for 2 FA cup games than for an entire season.
So if we judge ETH on the FA cup run, we should also see that he is abysmal in the league 2 seasons in a row. And the league is our bread and butter. He should have been gone long time ago.
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I agree, and have said that several times. Was just giving a nuanced opinion,
 
Marcus said:
Haha thank you for the reassurance! I actually think that EtH maybe has style of speaking which gets fully translated in Dutch with nuances and all. And perhaps his standard of English just gives people the wrong impression of what he really means. Anyway, I am looking to meet really lovely Dutch people in the Netherlands next year!
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Yeah his standard of english is weird. I’ve said it before but I was there 15 years ago and it would have been poor then for an educated guy. I mean at the cinema, the Hollywood films aren’t dubbed, they’re shown in original English. Anyway bit off topic but the people are open and friendly. Great place to live.
 
Whether we can crack the Top Ten or not it's pretty clear the players will continue to vastly underperform under Ten Hag. Whether it's tomorrow or three weeks from now, once the decision on his successor has been made and is ready for announcement, Ten Hag has to go. Unless, of course, INEOS is satisfied with mediocrity on the pitch but I highly doubt that's the case. It was the case with the Glazers and I understand the Glazers are still the primary owners of the club, but INEOS has operational control of footballing operations and I cannot imagine that they will tolerate Ten Hag's rule much longer.
 
One annoying trend I’ve noticed under him is we always start the season so slowly like it’s the first time the team has ever played with eachother. Makes you wonder what on earth he has them doing in that 6 weeks of pre-season.
 
Chairman Steve said:
One annoying trend I’ve noticed under him is we always start the season so slowly like it’s the first time the team has ever played with eachother. Makes you wonder what on earth he has them doing in that 6 weeks of pre-season.
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Half of them weren't there for pre-season bar the last week or so
 
Any idea when United are back in training? Assuming tomorrow

I’m holding out the faintest of hope that he won’t be there
 
I reckon as long as we’re not relegated he’ll keep his job.

We’re already 14th where do you go from there
 
Big Ben Foster said:
It depends. If we place him on gardening leave, he's still technically an employee and we continue to incur his ongoing wage expense until his contract expires or he finds a new job. If we sack him, we do an immediate one-time write down of whatever severance amount he's owed (which usually comes out to significantly less than the full amount of what's left on his contract - I believe with our last few managers it came out to a year's worth of wages).
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Leftback99 said:
I'm convinced a big part of the reason he stayed in the summer is that it was the cheapest option because like now it didn't make any footballing sense to keep him.

They gambled on him coming good and are now sticking with it as INEOS/the Glazers don't want to take a £15m plus hit this year if they can avoid it. People are blinded by PSR when it's just a normal business decision.
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Why is it a normal business decision? A 15m loss this year doesn't affect INEOS nor the Glazers, the money doesn't come from their pockets. Such financial hit only affects the way the club would be manage in the next 12 months but it does nothing for the owners.
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
It’s just 7 games :rolleyes:. Are we really expecting to be lumped in with these names after 30 more games
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Actually, we only scored 57 goals last year which was 5 more than Luton (who got relegated), 1 more than Brentford (who were 16th), the same as 10th Crystal Palace and 17 behind the worst team that finished above us.

Even the season before when we finished 3rd we only scored 58 which was 10 worse than the second worst team in top 6 and only 7 better than relegated Leicester and 10 better than relegated Leeds.

This isn’t somehow isolated to this season only, we’ve been a low scoring team for 2.5 years. We will probably not be the third lowest scoring team in the league come the end of season but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we were bottom half in goals scored.
 
JPRouve said:
Why is it a normal business decision? A 15m loss this year doesn't affect INEOS nor the Glazers, the money doesn't come from their pockets. Such financial hit only affects the way the club would be manage in the next 12 months but it does nothing for the owners.
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It's their business and ultimately their money.
 
christy87 said:
For even mentioning relegation he should be sacked
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We are not going to be relegated, that much is clear. We may not be a top half team but we are not bad enough to drop into the bottom three.
 
Sarni said:
We are not going to be relegated, that much is clear. We may not be a top half team but we are not bad enough to drop into the bottom three.
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I think you're right. We could have a blind man managing us and we'd be fine, only because we've got too much quality that seems to drag us through games or nick us points when needed. I think for that to be a conversation we'd need a few injuries again. We are in relegation form, I believe, over the last 15 or 20 games, but you still feel we'll be safe. Not in any way because of our manager though, he's bringing absolutely nothing to the table.
 
It was so good not to have a weekend ruining by United again. Can we have another international break please?
 
Ayoba said:
It was so good not to have a weekend ruining by United again. Can we have another international break please?
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Yeah. I didn't miss a game not being on whatsoever. I'd actually take another summer break.
 
pocco said:
I think you're right. We could have a blind man managing us and we'd be fine, only because we've got too much quality that seems to drag us through games or nick us points when needed. I think for that to be a conversation we'd need a few injuries again. We are in relegation form, I believe, over the last 15 or 20 games, but you still feel we'll be safe. Not in any way because of our manager though, he's bringing absolutely nothing to the table.
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Despite our poor start we are on pace for 43 points which keeps us up easily. I think we will comfortably get to around 50 though, as bad as ten Hag is.
 
Sarni said:
Despite our poor start we are on pace for 43 points which keeps us up easily. I think we will comfortably get to around 50 though, as bad as ten Hag is.
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Thanks, that shows things are not as bad as some are portraying them! A bit of perspective is always helpful.
 
A weekend away from the ETH discussion has been great :lol:

I think if he doesn’t get sacked tomorrow, which seems very unlikely at this point, then he’s not getting sacked at this point at all. It does make me wonder what the executive have in mind here. If he wasn’t sacked for what has happened thus far, at a point when the season is still salvageable, then I can’t imagine what it would take for him to actually be sacked, when the season past this point, if we continue our current trend, will go beyond being salvageable.

It’s hard to imagine them being okay with an entire season being written off from the start, but the lack of movement on this seems to suggest just that.
 
Imagine if Ten Hag genuinely turns us around this season (it won’t happen), it will be lauded as a genius masterstroke pulled off by any footballing board in recent times. A revival of fortunes would (to me) entail a top 4 finish and another cup.
 
Cloud7 said:
A weekend away from the ETH discussion has been great :lol:

I think if he doesn’t get sacked tomorrow, which seems very unlikely at this point, then he’s not getting sacked at this point at all. It does make me wonder what the executive have in mind here. If he wasn’t sacked for what has happened thus far, at a point when the season is still salvageable, then I can’t imagine what it would take for him to actually be sacked, when the season past this point, if we continue our current trend, will go beyond being salvageable.

It’s hard to imagine them being okay with an entire season being written off from the start, but the lack of movement on this seems to suggest just that.
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I am very sure they are not ok with it and would like very much to sack.

Two possibilities 1) They are just as incompetent as the previous board and screwed up the contract clauses and cannot afford to sack him. 2) they are a very competent board and they want to get the right man who will work with this squad rather than splashing another 500M to get their own squad. So still trying to find them.
 
Sarni said:
Actually, we only scored 57 goals last year which was 5 more than Luton (who got relegated), 1 more than Brentford (who were 16th), the same as 10th Crystal Palace and 17 behind the worst team that finished above us.

Even the season before when we finished 3rd we only scored 58 which was 10 worse than the second worst team in top 6 and only 7 better than relegated Leicester and 10 better than relegated Leeds.

This isn’t somehow isolated to this season only, we’ve been a low scoring team for 2.5 years. We will probably not be the third lowest scoring team in the league come the end of season but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we were bottom half in goals scored.
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Yeah, he’s been objectively dire.

When we are sitting here as fans, watching the same tripe served every single week, it makes you wonder, how on earth does that guy still have a job? I don’t think INEOS managing the football side of the club was the relief that we were seeking after all those years under Glazers and Woodward.
 
tjb said:
For me, this is the thing. I felt this way last season around November when he didn't even experiment with the formation. He let us struggle throughout the whole of last season without even trying to make a change in tactics or even just formation.

LVG dabbled with a 532, 4312, 433, 4231 and 4141. Moyes tried a 4141 near the end of his tenure. This guy has had 18 months where our tactics haven't worked, yet we're supposed to believe he's able to tinker to make a change. My feeling is that he's not as good tactically as people want us to think, which is quite obvious to see in his in-game management.
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Totally agree. It's like he's not even trying. I wouldn't mind so much if there was some kind of evidence that he's trying to change things up to make us better. But he so rigidly sticks to his "philosophy" that it's going to cost him his job and perhaps the next couple as well.
 
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