The longer we go without hearing anything, the more I start to think something might happen today.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Yeah we get that dreaded backing brief from the summer again, just have some guts and pull that trigger so we can have some hope for Brentford.
Bookies raised odds on him being sacked. I trust bookies. He is staying ....
Is there any news yet or even rumours? Feel like we would have heard by now if he was getting sacked
If that happens I will scream
It’s the opposite for me. Longer we hear nothing. The more I think nothings changing.
We may as well drop more points then, if they want to accept mediocrity easily then so do I
Why would it happen?
Just looked ….bookies have shortened odds him next to go 4/7
Eh, it's been going badly for 19 months. You can't be asking for 5 years at a massive club.
Yeah it wouldn’t. It was just a “what if”.
You have no idea what you're talking about mate. In Italy the manager is a step down to the almighty. Good players like Baggio and Di Canio because they refuse to see themselves as pawns in a chess game in which the manager is the master of it. Some are worse of than others. Capello, Sacchi and Conte for example are renowned to be cnuts as opposed to the likes of Ancelotti. However even Ancelotti had his 'Duce' moments as well like for example when he sold Zola (Parma's version of our own Eric Cantona) because he didn't fit his system. He later on regretted it but that how managers in Italy see themselves.
So why the UK do not produce top managers? That's a rather complex question
a- there's far less emphasis on tactics something that in Italy is pushed down in player's throats from an early age. I believe even Benitez mentioned this issue as well. The stereotypical British player is gifted with great DNA (strength, stamina, height, pace) which allows him certain leeway in football. But that leeway doesn't translate well at managerial level
b- lack of progression. EPL clubs can afford the best managers in the world which means more competition for the top places. This cuts both ends. For example Ipswich were able to persuade Mckenna to stay despite the likes of Brighton and Chelsea came knocking at his door.
c- coaching licenses in the UK are prohibitively expensive (3.4k to 9k plus) as opposed to the Spanish one (960 - 1k) and is not exactly renowned for its quality either. That means a smaller pool of Brits are becoming coaches/managers and less so are given the top quality training an Italian or a Spanish would get.
You're right in saying that in the UK, managers tend to be given more time and that does lead to complacency though
Hoping the pause in news is because they are preparing the necessary paperwork/undertaking the steps needed to terminate his employment and then will release a statement after.
Liverpool spent the best part of 20 years standing by managers for a couple of years, it didn't get them any nearer a league title despite spending a feck tonne along the way.
Context of both those seasons helps though.
Oles season started with 12 points in the opening 5 fixtures, scoring 13 and conceding 4. We lost our CL opener away from hope against Young Boys, we were actually leading and then AWB got sent off mid way through the 1st half. They scored the winner in the 95th minute. We put out a 2nd string in the League Cup and lost 1-0 to West Ham at OT. Then lost to Villa 1-0 in the PL conceding in the final minutes again. We then beat Villarreal in our CL Game and drew to 5th placed Everton in the league 1-1. So we'd been knocked out of the League Cup by PL West Ham. We'd got 3 points in our CL Group and we were 4th in the PL with 14 points, scoring 14 goals. It wasn't a terrible start to the season at all.
For Jose we also bombed out of the League Cup, this time a 2-2 draw with Derby and losing on pens. We had 4 points in our CL group phase after 2 games. But we were doing worse in the League, this time only 10 points with 10 scored and 12 conceded. We did however pick up 10 points in our next 4 PL games. Also managed to beat Juve away in the CL group (but lost to them at home).
Neither Manager had bad starts to the season, they weren't brilliant starts but certainly not bad. This is why neither Manager was sacked earlier as both Managers form got progressively worse as the season went along. With EtH however, we've been bad for so long that this bad start to the season isn't even out of brand. It's just more of the same.
Can always hope
Exactly. You would hope the delay is because they're finalising the replacement
Yeah that's all we can do
They wont sack him, dithering Rat
Relegation gate has drifted a bit too
No truer words
The runs that got both Jose and Ole sacked are just an average months worth of results for Erik over the last 14 months.
"Right, I get that everything shows he should be sacked. However, we have to adress the most important question. How silly do I look for not listening the first time?" - SJR
5 more years on this trajectory and our transition to a well established championship team might be complete.
I doubt it
Reports are that ETH is on holiday. They won't be sacking him by text, a phone call and definitely not by a public statement. I think if they do wish to sack him they will try to make it as clean as possible and I'm not sure how they do that so quickly, while ETH is away.
Maybe they will rock up to his villa, like they did in Ibiza to tell him they wanted to keep him in the summer.
It's also a lie. EtH last 28 games has 9 loses not 13.
He has a habit of disappearing on holiday when his job is at risk ….went on holiday straight after FA cup
It won't be up to Ratcliffe. He already said that.
I do agree though, he won't be sacked yet.
They just splurged on a new coaching team to support him, so they won't want to rip the band aid off so soon. Sunk-cost fallacy.
I bet they regret keeping him in the summer now though... Shouldn't have listened to us fans
What?
Who said they would sack him via a public statement. No reason why a video call can't be scheduled. Holiday or not. Then, the necessary paperwork, etc can be processed and signed and then, finally, a statement released.
Wish they would rock up and sack him but nah this lot haven't got the guts to do it
It's probably excluding cup games?
I just think if they were all backing him, it would've been a quick decision and speedy announcement. Them taking time suggests at least somebody in the room is saying sack him.
Once that conversation starts, it just becomes so difficult to justify keeping him on. I reckon he's gone and they're figuring out how to manage the story without making themselves look like mugs for the summer.
Most of our first XI are away with their NT. can’t see us learning much training the kids
An inevitable report later saying no update on Ten Hag's future. There will be some non-story reporting "my sources" say they want him to succeed and believe he is the man for the job but the pressure will only increase if results get worse, something anyone could put together.Haaaa sent him for a long weight
They should sack him via carrier pigeon
They should sack via a message in the fa cup and league cup trophies.
Maybe one in the fa cup that says “you’re ..”
And the other saying “sacked. Heh.”
Like in the summer? Don’t underestimate our thinking tank thought process.
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