Are you still defending Ten Hag?
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Which is?
The words from the great man himself, only LVG was suspect:
Ferguson writes: "I asked Pep to phone me before he accepted an offer from another club but he didn't and wound up joining Bayern Munich in July 2013. When we started the process of looking for my replacement, we established that several very desirable candidates were unavailable. It became apparent that Jose Mourinho had given his word to Roman Abramovich that he would return to Chelsea, and that Carlo Ancelotti would succeed him at Real Madrid. We also knew that Jurgen Klopp was happy at Borussia Dortmund and would be signing a new contract. Meantime, Louis van Gaal had undertaken to lead the Dutch attempt to win the 2014 World Cup."
Hmmm interesting sounds like Guardiola or Klopp didn't relish the challenge of succeeding him then
I can't help but feel it's nonsense.
Why?
Highest level of sport is measured by medals and trophies.
Trophies maybe are not the only thing but for sure they are the most important.
what in the horsechoking feck are you talking about?
If you only watch football for trophies then please carry on. I'm not going to engage with these shameless positions.
For what is worth, the poster I was engaging with that had pivoted to "trophies" followed up with this:
If they ultimately get it right I don’t think they will care.
So you read that there's more to football than trophies. You then reply seemingly reiterating the same with an addendum regarding "importance", which wasn't an argument nor qualifier in my post. So I take it you agree with me, then?
Ten Hag won the Dutch cup with 20.
His long term planning was so good that even a squad with near 700m of investment couldn't beat them!
To forget his coaching will be the best way to regain some form for the players, I agree.
No need to be talking about the man's wife's looks, to be honest.
on another note - feel like the whole "trophy" talk only exists because we are shite. I don't recall United fans fighting so ardently about minor cups growing up. For clarification - I think the FA Cup is a decent trophy. Still, "two trofi" as a retort at every corner really hammers home how much we fell off.
on another note - feel like the whole "trophy" talk only exists because we are shite. I don't recall United fans fighting so ardently about minor cups growing up. For clarification - I think the FA Cup is a decent trophy. Still, "two trofi" as a retort at every corner really hammers home how much we fell off.
Hilarious that a 28 game spell in 2023 and another one now in 2024 both stack up horribly next to Neville's Valencia record.
This man really has gotten away with so much.
I just wanted to know what you meant by that?
So for instance if trophies doesn't matter as much, why should league position?
Would you prefer us playing attacking football, 3-2, 4-3 and what not and not win anything and finish 6th? Over 1-0 wins and win a trophy?
Depends what you meant by "more". Is there something else than trophies? Yes.
Is there something more important than trophies? No.
The longer it takes before we hear anything about what's going on, the better. They will absolutely have to comment on this now and if they wanted to continue with him, it is a simple comment. Firing him, on the other hand, requires a lot more to be done.
Respect the optimism
There should be a balance. You can't be play well all of time, nor can you be shit all of the time.
I'd say Arsenal have gotten that balance right in 2024. They were much more entertaining 2 years ago. Now they can be dominant or win/draw ugly.
I’m convincing myself of the same thing. Fingers crossed.
Hilarious that a 28 game spell in 2023 and another one now in 2024 both stack up horribly next to Neville's Valencia record.
This man really has gotten away with so much.
Truth is you could probably pick any 28 game spell post the 2023 League Cup final and it'd be dogshit.
We were the biggest club and none of the biggest managers wanted to come? Also, I'm pretty sure Charlton vetoed Mourinho.
I'm guessing the meeting has ended, is that teat from Sky outside the offices the meetings are being held in? I'd have expected some sort of tweet when they left either way.
Needs to be noted that this is in the updated version of the book. In the original one, he says something like there was unanimous support to appoint David Moyes as manager, and no other candidate was seriously considered. Which is pretty much what was said from the media back then in 2013.
SAF, and the board, simply fecked up. When all went completely wrong, Fergie decided to rewrite history and absolve himself of any blame.
But the main point is that even if the top 5 managers in the world were not available, Moyes was a completely wrong appointment. He was not the best of the rest, the sixth best manager in the word, or even a top 20 manager.
Have to hope it's taking so long because they're wrapping up the contract for the next manager already. A double announcement that he's sacked and we've signed someone else would be nice and efficient.
Is the meeting finished?
If he goes there will be trouble, if he stays there will be double
I might be very disappointed tbh.
Fingers crossed. It’s very calm now. Let’s see.
I didn't say nor imply that trophies don't matter much. There are simply other considerations for me to be content with and ascertain where we are or how well/bad we're doing than "trophies" alone.
I also think framing the argument as "dogshit with trophies" vs "attacking and/or entertaining without trophies" is an inherently flawed and dishonest position to take. I'm a Manchester United fan, that shit doesn't run with me, I'm sorry.
I mean the phrasing is straightforward, and I don't see how there could be confusion. I didn't say "there are more important things in football than trophies." I said there's more to football than trophies, at least to me personally, and I'd think United fans generally think the same since even reading this forum there are often managerial candidates that a majority don't fancy due to their brand of football as well as other factors
Yeah it really seems as though he can get away with it. There’s barely any level of shit left to go to. We fail to beat fodder in Europe, lose any remotely difficult game and get battered by our rivals. Any slight break in this like a 0-0 against Villa seems to save him. The FA Cup win seems to have bought him an entire season.
I've decided we should keep him, a relegation battle could be fun. I mean anything's better than midtable obscurity- that said media will still love talking about us, though...I guess. But yeah a relegation battle. It would be fun
I do not think it is necessarily inaccurate per se, but all of this was partly the result of the fact that Fergie’s retirement decision (made on Christmas) was kept in secret by himself and by others for a long time. Apparently he only told Gill in February (when Gill himself told Fergie that he is leaving) and most other people at the club did not know until April, shortly before public announcement . As a result, we started looking for a replacement very late in the season and by that time most top managers on the move were already bound for the next season.
I mean Fergie earned the right to handle his retirement however he wished, he had his reasons and our lack of structure was not on him. But I am sure that at Christmas time basically everyone from the list was still available (the earliest to drop was Pep who signed mid-Jan with Bayern).
And regarding Pep - I know that some might blame him for not calling Fergie/remembering his words, but honestly it is on organisation to proactively hunt and call potential top employees regardless of what was said in private conversations.
Were it announced early in the year & had we started calling top managers immediately - am sure that we would have landed our 1st/2nd choice.
Yeah standards are completely on the floor
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